Topic 'Re: DVD recorder use' in forum 'Verizon FiOS TV'

Topic 'Re: DVD recorder use' in forum 'Verizon FiOS TV' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19117435 en Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:09:38 EDT Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:09:38 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19184445 said by FiosUser19:

Thanks for calling me on this. I think I messed up here. I actually have regular RCA (the yellow tip) from FIOS DVR into the DVD Recorder. Then, component goes from the DVD Recorder to the TV. Oops.
No problem, but actually it may answer my other question. When you record HD from your DVR, does it show up fullscreen 16:9 (SD 480i) on the recorder, or does it put letterbox black bars around the picture. That was the big issue with recording from a DVR (HD downconverted to SD).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19184445 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:12:45 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19184203 said by Vamp9190:

said by FiosUser19:

I have a Sony DVD recorder and a FIOS DVR box.

I connect HDMI from the FIOS box to my TV.
I connect Component from the FIOS box to my DVD recorder.

I record HD, Standard, VOD to my DVD recorder without any problems. HD comes out looking like letterboxed standard. PQ is still great though......

What model Recorder? Seems like there are no new recorders that have Component INPUT.

I have been reading threads at AVS forums and it says that cable boxes connected to recorders will not display HD widescreen as widescreen SD 480i using S-VIDEO.

Can anyone confirm if the Motorola 6416-2 DVR suffers from this? If I have it connected to a DVD recorder with S-Video, can maintain the widescreen format 16:9 of HD in FULLSCREEN when it is downconverted to SD 480i, or does it squish it?
Thanks for calling me on this. I think I messed up here. I actually have regular RCA (the yellow tip) from FIOS DVR into the DVD Recorder. Then, component goes from the DVD Recorder to the TV. Oops.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19184203 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:27:27 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19183619 said by FiosUser19:

I have a Sony DVD recorder and a FIOS DVR box.

I connect HDMI from the FIOS box to my TV.
I connect Component from the FIOS box to my DVD recorder.

I record HD, Standard, VOD to my DVD recorder without any problems. HD comes out looking like letterboxed standard. PQ is still great though......
What model Recorder? Seems like there are no new recorders that have Component INPUT.

I have been reading threads at AVS forums and it says that cable boxes connected to recorders will not display HD widescreen as widescreen SD 480i using S-VIDEO.

Can anyone confirm if the Motorola 6416-2 DVR suffers from this? If I have it connected to a DVD recorder with S-Video, can maintain the widescreen format 16:9 of HD in FULLSCREEN when it is downconverted to SD 480i, or does it squish it? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19183619 Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:46:33 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19177287
I am asking about connecting the D'V'R - the Fios STB multi-room DVR 6416-2 to a TV tuner using S-Video cable & RCA audio.

Can you record the DVR playback on the PC? Some people have said that you can view it, but not record using S-video. I am specifically looking for someone who is actually doing it now...so many people say 'sure, you can....but I have never tried it myself'

So just to be crystal clear, if I buy the ON Air GT and:

1. connect the coax to the coax input, I can view QAM local HD channels (NBC, FOX, etc.) and record them.

2. Now, if I connect my FIOS DVR Set-top box to the GT's other inputs - S-Video and audio....can I BOTH watch AND record shows (non-HD digital channels) from my cable box AND the DVR. That will answer my last question, I promise. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19177287 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:05:07 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19177207 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19177207 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:54:20 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19177167 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19177167 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:47:00 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19176971 said by GreyWolf050:

So you have the GT tuner connected with Coax straight from the wall, correct?

Yes...

If you run s-video from the STB (and audio too) you can then see all the cable channels, correct? But it would be the same channel you are watching on the big TV (or playback from the STB DVR) obviously.

Yes...

Since the GT is a hybrid card, you can only use 1 tuner at a time. When you are using the S-Video to view the STB cable channels, are you able to record them? I have heard that with a Fios box you can not record programs coming in over S-video. Also are you able to record the DVR playback with S-video?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19176971 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:15:27 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19168924 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19168924 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:02:58 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19164494 So you have the GT tuner connected with Coax straight from the wall, correct?

Yes...

If you run s-video from the STB (and audio too) you can then see all the cable channels, correct? But it would be the same channel you are watching on the big TV (or playback from the STB DVR) obviously.

Yes...

The SS is software that came with the GT?

Yes...
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Ok thanks for all the replies. Those questions were the IM/PM I sent you.

So you have the GT tuner connected with Coax straight from the wall, correct?

If you run s-video from the STB (and audio too) you can then see all the cable channels, correct? But it would be the same channel you are watching on the big TV (or playback from the STB DVR) obviously.

The SS is software that came with the GT?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19158800 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:07:37 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19157858 I spoke too soon, there's still good info and opinions being posted...

Just wanted to ask a few questions without keeping the thread going unecessarily.

If I get the internal AVerMedia MCE A180 card instead of the OnAir GT, what is the difference? Do I need the QAM tuner?

You will only need a qam if you want to record/watch unencrypted hd channels.

How do you have your set-up; running a composite cable from the Fios STB to the card? If you plug the coax from the wall straight into the GT, will it get the Local HD channels, or do you need to use the supplied antenna?

The GT is not a card, it's an external usb tuner. There is no connection between my stb and the GT since I only want to record network shows in hd. The GT has an svideo input you can connect to your stb if you desire. The GT will do either/or, connect it to a cable feed before the router and stb abd it will receive any unencrypted analog or digital channels. Connect to an antenna and it will receive any available ota signals. I live in a poor reception area so the ota option is not available to me.

Also when you record shows, what format file (.AVI, etc.) does it save as on your PC hard drive? I see that the GT comes with WinDVD Creator 2. What is your process for burning shows to DVD? I have Nero, Copy to DVD and others for burning.

Digital recordings save as a transport stream, you can specify file extensions of *.trp, *.ts or *.tp. Analog recordings can be saved as mpg 1 or 2.

My dvd burning knowledge is zero, I have a high end machine that came with a dual layer dvd burner but I've never used it. I'm not into reruns and I don't have a dvd collection. I record the show, watch it and then delete it. From what I've read Nero is among the best of the dvd burning software. It came installed with my machine and if/when I try to burn a dvd, I'll use it...note to self: self, buy a few dual layer blanks. I just don't have the time to futz with it now ;-)

The GT comes with nVidia's pure video decoder which is the best digital decoder available.

Click HERE for a ss of the GT's gui.
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Hey GreyWolf050, check your IM, I sent you a message, thanks.

Hey Vamp, never got your IM, what's on your mind?
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Can you try composite or component?

Can you record ANYTHING (maybe try connecting an old VCR) and get sound? Could it possibly be the recorder itself? Maybe the inputs are bad? Unlikely, but don't over look anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19156095 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:53:07 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19154799 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19154799 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:21:17 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19154773 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19154773 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:18:40 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19154694
Why do you have the wall coax going into the DVD recorder first?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19154694 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:07:15 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19153599
My hookup is as follows:
Coax from wall (FIOS Cable supply) into EZ27 and out again to FIOS STB.
SVideo and L/R Audio from FIOS STB to IN1 on EZ27
HDMI out to TV from EZ27
HDMI out from FIOS STB to Sony AV Receiver STR-DG810. HDMI out from Sony AV to TV.

As I understand it from reading other posts about the FIOS STB, all outputs are active at the same time so there should still be audio output on the analog connections even when using HDMI.

I'm thinking that I may need to try an all analog hookup for the STB to the Receiver and TV to remove the possibility of the HDMI hookup causing a problem. I'll also try the fixes mentioned on AVS forum for working around the audio bug. Any other ideas for fixing this very welcome,
Andy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19153599 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:15:55 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19142968 said by GreyWolf050 ...Vamp, I've been down this road. Save yourself a few bucks in the long run and have a look at the GT...
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Hey GreyWolf050, check your IM, I sent you a message, thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19142968 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:06:04 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19140255 said by GreyWolf050 ...I have 2 connected the same machine and they work great and you can connect a max of 4 to a machine. Copperbox sells 'em for 159 bucks shipped.

I think this topic has been milked to death ;-)

/Grey
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OK thanks. Yes, it has, but for me all the info. has been gold.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19140255 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:19:17 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19138777 I just thought of something else....if I rent another STB just to use for the PC I can run S-Video out of the STB (or component if I get a tuner card that has it) to the back of the Tuner card (Tuner 1) and then hook up a HD external antenna to get the local HD channels (Tuner 2).

Yes, that will work. You will only need a single tuner to receive ota signals.

Vamp, I've been down this road. Save yourself a few bucks in the long run and have a look at the GT.

I have 2 connected the same machine and they work great and you can connect a max of 4 to a machine. Copperbox sells 'em for 159 bucks shipped.

I think this topic has been milked to death ;-)

/Grey
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What you propose should work but you don't need a "tuner" card. You need a simple video input card that can accept composite or S-Video (or optionally if you get an HD STB: Component, or HDMI). The tuner would be wasted.
Something like this:
»www.newegg.com/Product/P ··· 15100120

Then I can run S-Video for vid & RCA red/white for audio from the STB to the card (or composite yellow/red/white). I may run from my existing STB, but that would be 35ft. since it is across the room, so the S-video & RCA would actually be less cable (thickness) to run around the edge of the walls.

Do you know of an input card that has an HDMI or composite port? Seems like it would be expensive. May be cheaper to just get an HD tuner card in that case (with an S-Video port) and then have the flexibility to use the tuner down the road if needed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19134087 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:26:26 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19132880 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19132880 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:57:01 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19131997 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19131997 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:15:57 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19131249 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19131249 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:04:49 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19130693
I just thought of something else....if I rent another STB just to use for the PC I can run S-Video out of the STB (or component if I get a tuner card that has it) to the back of the Tuner card (Tuner 1) and then hook up a HD external antenna to get the local HD channels (Tuner 2).

So that way the STB would send un-encrypted cable channels to the PC tuner card and I could watch the non-HD cable channels?

Would that actually work ok?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19130693 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:55:22 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19130015 If I connect the wall coax to the TV tuner card (before it gets to the STB) I will only be able to SEE/View the local SD and HD channels?

Yes...

...will I be able to watch all the cable & local channels, but only record the locals?

No, you can only view/record local broadcast channels with a pc tuner.

I guess digital cable like Cox, Comcast etc. does not encrypt like VZ? Seems like a lot of people have tuners & no one says they only have a couple channels.

Comcast's channel setup is different in that their basic cable channels are analog and are below 100 so you can pick them up with an analog pc tuner, BUT the pq really sucks. Verizon's pq far outshines Verizon's for watching/recording shows like Burn Notice, Monk, Eureka, etc. and is the reason I jumped off Comcast's boat.

Yeah I think I will definately get the stand alone DVD recorder for connecting to the STB.

Be sure to get a dvdr with component/hdmi inputs for best pq and remember you can only record the channel your stb has tuned.
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Connecting a stb to a tuner card defeats the purpose of said card. Think about it. The primary function of a pc tv tuner is to let you record a program(s) while you're watching/recording another program(s) via your stb.

If you wire a tuner card to a stb you can only record the channel to which the stb is currently tuned, why bother, especially if your stb is a dvr. I believe most available pc tuners have only coaxial (a few have s-video) inputs, the Verizon stb doesn't have a post decriyped coaxial output.

Put simply, there is NO WAY any internal/external pc tuner will decode encrypted channels and with the exception of local broadcast and a bunch of music channels ALL of Verizon's channels are encrypted.

Your original question was about connecting a dvd burner to a stb. This eaisly doable via a composite, component or hdmi connection. Your dvd burner dictates which connections are available.

I think you want to save to dvd some of those great programs the History, Discovery, Science, etc, channels broadcast but you can't do it with a pc tuner.

I've had FIOS TV for a couple of weeks and haven't had much time to play with the hardware so I don't know if this will work with Verizon'e hardware but while I had Comcast I was able to record to my pc's hd via a firewire setup and then use my pc's dvd buner to preserve some of those cool shows. You can find extensive info HERE.

I have pc tuners for only one purpose, to record network hd shows I can watch later. I'm a tradesman and often work late and when I get home (most times after 7) I just wanna chill, have a brew or 2, a bite and then it's 9 or so. Then I'll watch some of what I recorded.

Sorry for being so long winded ;-)
/Grey
OK thanks a lot. Don't worry about long posts. I would much rather have a lot of info. than not enough.

So I just want to make sure I totally understand. If I connect the wall coax to the TV tuner card (before it gets to the STB) I will only be able to SEE/View the local SD and HD channels? OR will I be able to watch all the cable & local channels, but only record the locals?

Sorry to keep asking about essentially the same thing over & over, but I just want to make sure because if I can only watch 4 channels on the PC then I am not sure it is worth investing in a tuner.

I guess digital cable like Cox, Comcast etc. does not encrypt like VZ? Seems like a lot of people have tuners & no one says they only have a couple channels.

Thanks for the advice about the firewire. Yeah I think I will definately get the stand alone DVD recorder for connecting to the STB. The PC tuner may be later depending how much I can get from it that I can not already do with my Fios DVR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19129024 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:46:19 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19127503
If you wire a tuner card to a stb you can only record the channel to which the stb is currently tuned, why bother, especially if your stb is a dvr. I believe most available pc tuners have only coaxial (a few have s-video) inputs, the Verizon stb doesn't have a post decriyped coaxial output.

Put simply, there is NO WAY any internal/external pc tuner will decode encrypted channels and with the exception of local broadcast and a bunch of music channels ALL of Verizon's channels are encrypted.

Your original question was about connecting a dvd burner to a stb. This eaisly doable via a composite, component or hdmi connection. Your dvd burner dictates which connections are available.

I think you want to save to dvd some of those great programs the History, Discovery, Science, etc, channels broadcast but you can't do it with a pc tuner.

I've had FIOS TV for a couple of weeks and haven't had much time to play with the hardware so I don't know if this will work with Verizon'e hardware but while I had Comcast I was able to record to my pc's hd via a firewire setup and then use my pc's dvd buner to preserve some of those cool shows. You can find extensive info HERE.

I have pc tuners for only one purpose, to record network hd shows I can watch later. I'm a tradesman and often work late and when I get home (most times after 7) I just wanna chill, have a brew or 2, a bite and then it's 9 or so. Then I'll watch some of what I recorded.

Sorry for being so long winded ;-)
/Grey]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19127503 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:32:35 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19126695 said by Mark F1:

I have the TV Expert 350 tuner card and software, from Tiger Direct. Hooking your STB to a tuner card is a snap. .... OK cool, what type of cable are you running from the STB to the card? Do you get all the FIOS cable channels on it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19126695 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:22:31 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19125333 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19125333 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:32:23 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19123966 said by GreyWolf050:

Wait, so what do I have to do to get all the cable channels to show on my PC using a dual TV tuner card???

You can't receive encrypted channels with any aftermarket tuner and Verizon encrypts (as most cable co's do) all their channels with the exception of the local broadcast hd's and a bunch of mucic channels...
Can I run a connection from the STB (the signal has already been decoded) to the back of the PC? What tuner card will work best for that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19123966 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:20:27 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19122671 Wait, so what do I have to do to get all the cable channels to show on my PC using a dual TV tuner card???

You can't receive encrypted channels with any aftermarket tuner and Verizon encrypts (as most cable co's do) all their channels with the exception of the local broadcast hd's and a bunch of mucic channels...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19122671 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:47:23 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19122662 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19122662 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:45:47 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19121143 said by KenAF The local channels are in the clear, but virtually all cable channels (aside from one or two) are encrypted.
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Wait, so what do I have to do to get all the cable channels to show on my PC using a dual TV tuner card???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19121143 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:32:06 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19120518 said by FiosUser19:

One more point...

My DVD recorder will not record protected DVD, video tapes played on another player to this recorder (which is frustrating when I'm trying to turn all my old video tapes into DVDs).

Anyway, I can understand this "feature" of the recorder, but the signal coming out of the FIOS box is not material and should not be copy-protected (in my opinion) and never should in the future.
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My DVD recorder will not record protected DVD, video tapes played on another player to this recorder (which is frustrating when I'm trying to turn all my old video tapes into DVDs).

Anyway, I can understand this "feature" of the recorder, but the signal coming out of the FIOS box is not material and should not be copy-protected (in my opinion) and never should in the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119989 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:19:13 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119972
I connect HDMI from the FIOS box to my TV.
I connect Component from the FIOS box to my DVD recorder.

I record HD, Standard, VOD to my DVD recorder without any problems. HD comes out looking like letterboxed standard. PQ is still great though.

So, the DVD recorder is just like the good ol' days with a VCR. My opinion is this should always work in the future and signals coming out of the FIOS box should never be scrambled or secured or anything like that. Once it leaves the FOIS box we should be able to record it however we want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119972 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:16:43 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119553
I still have a standalone DVD player with all of the required outputs (e.g. 5.1 analog audio for DVD-A) and more user friendly menus.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119553 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:09:35 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119503 said by blue_trooper:

No, the S-video and analog audio cables go from the DVR to the DVD recorder...I typically DVR something first then if I want to keep it I run it off to the DVD recorder when I go to bed (because in this setup you'd have to be watching what you're recording).
OK thanks for the info. What brand DVD Recorder do you have?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119503 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:01:56 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119224 said by Vamp9190:

So the S-Video cable runs from your DVD Recorder to the TV? Is there anything connecting the STB directly to the recorder? Simple question, but I have never tried using one. No, the S-video and analog audio cables go from the DVR to the DVD recorder. All of the outputs on the DVR are active all of the time. I don't have a TV, I've got a Panasonic commercial plasma which has no tuner.

With Comcast I ran a coax to the DVD recorder but I never used it. With Verizon's limited offering w/o the STB, I didn't even bother reconnecting it. I typically DVR something first then if I want to keep it I run it off to the DVD recorder when I go to bed (because in this setup you'd have to be watching what you're recording).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119224 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:16:28 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119178 said by Vamp9190:

Also I think I read that VZ encrypts the local HD channels? So then I would not be able to get those on the PC using the tuner card?
The local channels are in the clear, but virtually all cable channels (aside from one or two) are encrypted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119178 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:09:51 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119140 said by Vamp9190:

Also, as an alternative I am looking at getting a dual TV tuner for my PC. I am looking at a Hauppauge or similar card. For software (I have XP Pro SP2) I am looking at either buying Beyond TV or using Mediaportal freeware.

The TV tuner card has 2 coax inputs, so if I get a 3-way splitter and attach that to the coax cable coming from my wall (before it goes to the Actiontech router & then to the STB), send 2 cables to the tuner card, and the third still goes to the router; Is that the best way to run it?

Also I think I read that VZ encrypts the local HD channels? So then I would not be able to get those on the PC using the tuner card?
I have Verizon in the Boston area. The local HD channels are in the clear.

I use 2 OnAir GT usb tuners and they work well with XP Pro. Split the cable before the router and stb for each GT. You can run up to 4 on a single computer.

The software that comes with can handle all scheduling of recordings and Titan TV works as well.

For an extensive discussion of the GT go here:

»www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ ··· =1&pp=30

Copperbox has the GT for 159 bucks shipped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119140 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:05:26 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119021
Also, as an alternative I am looking at getting a dual TV tuner for my PC. I am looking at a Hauppauge or similar card. For software (I have XP Pro SP2) I am looking at either buying Beyond TV or using Mediaportal freeware.

The TV tuner card has 2 coax inputs, so if I get a 3-way splitter and attach that to the coax cable coming from my wall (before it goes to the Actiontech router & then to the STB), send 2 cables to the tuner card, and the third still goes to the router; Is that the best way to run it?

Also I think I read that VZ encrypts the local HD channels? So then I would not be able to get those on the PC using the tuner card?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19119021 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:45:15 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19118813 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19118813 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:02:56 EDT Re: DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19118668 said by Vamp9190:

Anyone have a DVD recorder hooked up? What brand?

I want to be able to record shows from the DVR onto a blank DVD+R, is that possible (for personal use not black market sales :p)?

In another thread it was mentioned about encrypted HD signal and the HDCP handshake, does that mean that no copying HD but SD will work?

Or is it better to do it through the PC with a Hauppauge (or similar) TV tuner?
You can record the composite or s-video output of the HD DVR, over which you HD downconverted to SD.

Standalone DVD recorders cannot record HDTV. DVD players cannot playback HDTV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DVD-recorder-use-19118668 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:35:12 EDT DVD recorder use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/DVD-recorder-use-19117435
I want to be able to record shows from the DVR onto a blank DVD+R, is that possible (for personal use not black market sales :p)?

In another thread it was mentioned about encrypted HD signal and the HDCP handshake, does that mean that no copying HD but SD will work?

Or is it better to do it through the PC with a Hauppauge (or similar) TV tuner?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/DVD-recorder-use-19117435 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:43:29 EDT