Time Warner Cable - Legacy → Re: [TWC] Pricing model changing soon

They'll (at&t) be doing the same thing, before you can say; "Prepare ship, for Ludicrous speed. Fasten all seat belts."

They can't afford to lose their customers, either. I'll jump ship for DSL Extreme, or Speakeasy. They run their own ATM networks from the DSLAM, so they don't move data over the ATTIS transit network.

Ditto. IF this plan is put into effect, I'm jumping to DSL Extreme.

I trust that both of you folks are very low volume users, leaving them entirely on principle.

Because if you're part of that evil top 5%, leaving them is exactly what they want you to do, and what this silly trial is all about.

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I'm not quite sure this is what they want. If those 5% leave, so does the flow of revenue coming from them. TW wants them to stay, and wants them to pay an extreme amount of money for it.

I'm not in that top 5% group. But I do download more the 40 gigs a month. Streaming video from Youtube and other sites, gaming, Windows updates, streaming legal video rentals from Netflix, streaming internet radio, Linux ISO's, ect. It's very easy to go over 40 gigs. I don't consider my use to be extreme. But a 40 gig limit is unreasonable. But if this plan is put in place, I'm fairly sure that these proposed limits will be raised to a more reasonable level.

No doubt, there will be alternatives and some customers will do exactly as you plan, but that's their goal. Ultimately, I think cable companies, in general, will force the issue of deregulation as a result of their actions. Then you'll see companies like Speakeasy in a position to use a cable company's infrastructure, if they desire. In that capacity, as they are now with their ATM network, they'll be a bandwidth provider, only, and won't be concerned with what a subscriber does with the bandwidth. VOD competition won't be an issue to them, as it is with the current crop of cable providers.

And why didn't you include Verizon in your scathing prediction? There's always the remaining independents. And other, less ideal broadband options also remain.

"Scathing" ~ now that's funny. Like I said, the measured rate plan will make its rounds. Most people won't even be aware of it. It will be the minority that feels all the pain.

Heck, if downloading was that important to me, I'd pay for a dedicated circuit.

I may, or may not be in the "evil 5%". Leaving will not be a matter of principle, but economics.Unless DSLX goes to "pay per byte", then leaving 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' for DSLX will simply be a means to avoid the "pay per byte" model.

I will reiterate: DSLX runs their own transit network. AT&T only incurs additional expense, if any, on their transit network (ATTIS). DSLX does not use ATTIS transit (based on trace routes I have seen posted in the DSLX forum).

I don't see any DSL "last mile" providers jumping to use any cable HSI infrastructure. That is what they use ILEC infrastructure for. AT&T's last mile infrastructure is quite capable of moving all the data I want to move; up to the limits of ADSL/ADSL2/VDSL technology, and my distance from the DSLAM. It is the ATM cloud beyond that last mile infrastructure where congestion will show up.

I tend to agree, that's why I said; "in a position to use a cable company's infrastructure." There are several cable providers out there that would love to have access to all of those municipalities that are already lit up, but are under franchise agreements. Fiber is much more likely to be deployed to my home via cable infrastructure than it is via AT&T's equipment (DSLAM/VRAD, whatever).

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Unless DSLX goes to "pay per byte", then leaving 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' for DSLX will simply be a means to avoid the "pay per byte" model.

I will reiterate: DSLX runs their own transit network. AT&T only incurs additional expense, if any, on their transit network (ATTIS). DSLX does not use ATTIS transit (based on trace routes I have seen posted in the DSLX forum).

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The problem is, let's say TW, Verizon, and SBC all move to metered plans. The little guys like DSLX who currently offer unlimited plans will get barraged with an influx of all the heavy users who are affected the most by the new pricing plan. This could create a disproportionately large number of heavy users on those networks, and because they're smaller ISPs, they may not be able to handle it without increasing the average price. Increasing prices will cause them to lose their more lucrative light users. They may have no choice but to follow in the gorilla's footsteps.