HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
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Re: Any ideas how to Do MLPP ? with xp?said by codecx:I'm still waiting to have my 2nd line installed... Actually.. no. Bell did come today. They decided to disconnect my primary line instead... I'm going home to no internet  .. Bastards.. LOL, classic Bell! |
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said by HiVolt:BTW, your modem has to be either on bridge mode or simultaneous routed/bridged pppoe. Well, the trick works allright, for now at least (cross fingers) (8:30 pm right now, ubuntu test image download flying in fast). I did have to unconnect from my router (dlink) and go on bridged mode for the modem (ST516). Routed with the DLink, can't seem to be able to connect, even without checking that multi-link option. (I usually connect through the modem's http interface, but I followed usual steps with pppoe wizard). What is this "simultaneous routed/bridged pppoe"? Didn't see that as an option in the ST516 wizard , I'd like to get back with the router. /edit: st516 firmware is 6.2.16.3 |
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HiVolt
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2008-May-12 8:57 pm
Here is an idea for the people who have non-WRT54G linux capable routers, to temporarily use the MLPPP trick in Windows, in order to bypass the traffic shaping. Set your modem in bridge mode & disable its DHCP server, and your router should be configured to use your TekSavvy PPPoE login, as usual. What the loopback wiring allows you to do, is to establish a PPPoE connection using Windows XP, with the multilink checkbox, while your router is still connected in the mix and can still supply your other PCs or devices with internet. When you connect in Windows using it's built in PPPoE, it overrides whatever is supplied by your router, so you can download a torrent or use whatever application is affected by the DPI. However, as you can see, it eats up two ports on a typical 4 port router. If you have another switch with more ethernet ports, you can easily uplink to your router and your problem is solved. Also, as this creates a direct IP connection to your machine, it bypasses the firewall of your router. So make sure to at least enable the Windows firewall, or use some other firewall software of your choice. Otherwise, you're left exposed to the net with a direct IP. One last thing. If you have a singlestatic IP, you will have to manually force a disconnect in your router's web interface, as an account with a single static IP will not be able to connect again unless its disconnected. You can then establish the PPPoE in Windows. As an added bonus, you can now access your modem's line stats without unhooking your router. Just make sure the modem's IP address is different than the router's. If not, change one, for example the modem 192.168.1.254 (ST516), router 192.168.1.1 |
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eots
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2008-May-12 9:07 pm
I have my modem connected to the router WAN port and I can still make the 2nd PPPoE connection through WinXP with Multi-link enabled and it works perfectly without the loopback. |
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
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2008-May-12 9:09 pm
said by eots:I have my modem connected to the router WAN port and I can still make the 2nd PPPoE connection through WinXP with Multi-link enabled and it works perfectly without the loopback. Really? That's neat. I guess your router somehow allows the LAN ports to connect to the modem. What brand router? |
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eots
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2008-May-12 9:22 pm
D-Link DIR-655 |
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2008-May-12 9:24 pm
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In the WRT54G, all ports are on a single five-port switch, and the WAN port is isolated from the other four via VLANs. |
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
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2008-May-12 9:26 pm
said by Guspaz_Anon :
In the WRT54G, all ports are on a single five-port switch, and the WAN port is isolated from the other four via VLANs. Yeah I saw you mention that in the other thread, but does it allow to establish pppoe thru it? or access the modem's web interface? |
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2008-May-13 10:38 am
Hivolt: Yes actually on the Dlink 655 their is an option to forward lan pppoe requests out. A nice feature great for testing stuff without reconfiguring everything. I have one myself but as I have said it's just a big ol expensive Gbps switch and wireless N point now. As I am on day 40 of my pppoe session  using pfsense  With the dlink I was lucky to get past 13 days. |
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
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2008-May-13 10:55 am
said by daboom:Hivolt: Yes actually on the Dlink 655 their is an option to forward lan pppoe requests out. A nice feature great for testing stuff without reconfiguring everything. I have one myself but as I have said it's just a big ol expensive Gbps switch and wireless N point now. As I am on day 40 of my pppoe session  using pfsense  With the dlink I was lucky to get past 13 days. Ah, that is a pretty cool feature. I never encountered any router that would do that, so thats why i proposed the workaround with the WAN loopback. |
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eots
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2008-May-13 11:10 am
It must be enabled by default because I can't even find it. |
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2008-May-13 1:02 pm
Nor can I anymore I know the earlier Firmwares had it. |
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said by HiVolt:said by codecx:I'm still waiting to have my 2nd line installed... Actually.. no. Bell did come today. They decided to disconnect my primary line instead... I'm going home to no internet  .. Bastards.. LOL, classic Bell! OMFG!! After a joint effort of both Teksavvy and myself calling Bell.. a tech came out today!!!Not only did he repair my first dryloop, he also connected my 2nd dryloop AND installed a separate jack alongside of my existing jack, for a 2nd modem. I cannot WAIT to hook all this awesomeness up tonite!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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HiVolt
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2008-May-13 2:59 pm
said by codecx:OMFG!! After a joint effort of both Teksavvy and myself calling Bell.. a tech came out today!!!Not only did he repair my first dryloop, he also connected my 2nd dryloop AND installed a separate jack alongside of my existing jack, for a 2nd modem. I cannot WAIT to hook all this awesomeness up tonite!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOL... Cool. Hope it all works, and your second line isnt synced up at 1meg.  Post the result! |
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2008-May-13 3:03 pm
said by HiVolt: LOL... Cool. Hope it all works, and your second line isnt synced up at 1meg.  Post the result! LOL! The 1 meg sync was suppose to be a Bell surprise, why'd you go and ruin it?  |
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codecx join:2007-04-16 Mississauga, ON |
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My next hurdle is figuring out whether or not my old Gnet BB0050 is up to snuff with today's speeds. I've not read anything to tell me otherwise, but I've got an evening of speed testing each modem individually and deciding whether or not to get a newer modem. |
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HiVolt
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2008-May-13 3:06 pm
said by codecx:My next hurdle is figuring out whether or not my old Gnet BB0050 is up to snuff with today's speeds. I've not read anything to tell me otherwise, but I've got an evening of speed testing each modem individually and deciding whether or not to get a newer modem. If your line is clean, then in bridge mode there should be no noticeable difference. I tried an ancient Alcatel STH on a clean line at 8mbps sync, and it worked flawlessly identical in speeds to newer ADSL2+ capable modems. Thats the comparison did I while ago with the modems I had available to me that could display line stats. They all worked fine, however some are noticeably better than others in terms of line stats. » img179.imageshack.us/img ··· nzi6.png |
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2008-May-13 3:10 pm
here's hoping.
I get 4300/625 with my speedstream (which is as equally old) so.. thats pretty kick ass, considering i am on a 5mb profile.
If I can get a clean 2x speed out of that, I consider this an epic success.... then, I just switch over to a Premium account with both accounts, (I'm never going to download 400gb a month.......heh)
Just to save money and capitolize on super ping times! |
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HiVolt
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2008-May-13 3:16 pm
Yeah, I think if you switch to two Premiums, you might have to notify TekSavvy in order for them to have a note on your account that 1 login will be used and should have a cap of 400GB. Im not sure what happens to the other login, whether you just don't use it in good faith, or do they disable it?
What would be cool, if TekSavvy could provide a second line for the purpose of MLPPP, that has no login or any other features of a normal $30 account, for a lesser price. It would make MLPPP more attractive. |
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codecx
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2008-May-13 3:20 pm
Truly! I think you can get that service.. like a 2ndary teksavvy login to use as a backup to your sympatico or something.. ? |
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
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2008-May-13 3:25 pm
said by codecx:Truly! I think you can get that service.. like a 2ndary teksavvy account to use as a backup to your sympatico or something.. ? Yes, but that's only $10 login. You have to have DSL with another provider for your DSL line to be active. What I'm talking about is just basically secondary line for MLPPP, with sync, but no login, email, webspace, etc. Because for MLPPP you use the login from your main account. |
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codecx
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2008-May-13 3:28 pm
Ohhh...I getcha.
Well.. you never know. If it turns into a selling point and we end up failing at getting bell to de-throttle.... A solution like that might be born out of necessity.
Ever since taking networking fundamentals in college, back in 2001.. I dreamed of bonding two internet connections together..
I've made my former self, proud. |
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2008-May-13 3:47 pm
Just remember tek has to fork out 20 just to bell for the dsl side of things. Not sure what more then can do without taking a lost. |
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said by HiVolt:Here is an idea for the people who have non-WRT54G linux capable routers, to temporarily use the MLPPP trick in Windows, in order to bypass the traffic shaping. Set your modem in bridge mode & disable its DHCP server, and your router should be configured to use your TekSavvy PPPoE login, as usual. What the loopback wiring allows you to do, is to establish a PPPoE connection using Windows XP, with the multilink checkbox, while your router is still connected in the mix and can still supply your other PCs or devices with internet. When you connect in Windows using it's built in PPPoE, it overrides whatever is supplied by your router, so you can download a torrent or use whatever application is affected by the DPI. However, as you can see, it eats up two ports on a typical 4 port router. If you have another switch with more ethernet ports, you can easily uplink to your router and your problem is solved. Also, as this creates a direct IP connection to your machine, it bypasses the firewall of your router. So make sure to at least enable the Windows firewall, or use some other firewall software of your choice. Otherwise, you're left exposed to the net with a direct IP. One last thing. If you have a singlestatic IP, you will have to manually force a disconnect in your router's web interface, as an account with a single static IP will not be able to connect again unless its disconnected. You can then establish the PPPoE in Windows. As an added bonus, you can now access your modem's line stats without unhooking your router. Just make sure the modem's IP address is different than the router's. If not, change one, for example the modem 192.168.1.254 (ST516), router 192.168.1.1 When I set up the router like in the picture I had internet so I made the 2nd connection. It worked, I was able to have 2 connections. There was a high pitch sound coming from either the computer or modem though. As soon as I clicked disconnect on the PPPOE connection the high pitch sound went away. I tried the set up again and it doesn't work any more. As soon as I plug in the loup back from port 1 to WAN the high pitch sound is back. Any ideas? How do you check if your router is in Loup mode and that the DCHP server is disabled? I tried through the modem set up but the only options it gave me is "auto connect on disconnect". It's a speadstream 4200. |
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said by HiVolt:Here is an idea for the people who have non-WRT54G linux capable routers, to temporarily use the MLPPP trick in Windows, in order to bypass the traffic shaping. Set your modem in bridge mode & disable its DHCP server, and your router should be configured to use your TekSavvy PPPoE login, as usual. What the loopback wiring allows you to do, is to establish a PPPoE connection using Windows XP, with the multilink checkbox, while your router is still connected in the mix and can still supply your other PCs or devices with internet. When you connect in Windows using it's built in PPPoE, it overrides whatever is supplied by your router, so you can download a torrent or use whatever application is affected by the DPI. However, as you can see, it eats up two ports on a typical 4 port router. If you have another switch with more ethernet ports, you can easily uplink to your router and your problem is solved. Also, as this creates a direct IP connection to your machine, it bypasses the firewall of your router. So make sure to at least enable the Windows firewall, or use some other firewall software of your choice. Otherwise, you're left exposed to the net with a direct IP. One last thing. If you have a singlestatic IP, you will have to manually force a disconnect in your router's web interface, as an account with a single static IP will not be able to connect again unless its disconnected. You can then establish the PPPoE in Windows. As an added bonus, you can now access your modem's line stats without unhooking your router. Just make sure the modem's IP address is different than the router's. If not, change one, for example the modem 192.168.1.254 (ST516), router 192.168.1.1 When HiVolt's setup is working, are the other computers connected to the router WITHOUT MLPP still protected by the routers firewall? In other words, when a connection is made with MLPP, that PC is the only one on the network not protected and needs a firewall like ZoneAlarm? Please confirm. |
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I was close to ordering a linksys WRT54GL but after using HiVolt's fix I don't need to thanks big time |
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said by dell112009:When HiVolt's setup is working, are the other computers connected to the router WITHOUT MLPP still protected by the routers firewall? In other words, when a connection is made with MLPP, that PC is the only one on the network not protected and needs a firewall like ZoneAlarm? Please confirm. Yes, that is correct. You need a firewall when you create a direct connection on the computer. Other machines with a connection thru the router are not affected, as they are still behind the router's NAT routing. |
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