Topic 'Re: ooooo look at ME!!!' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070334 en Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:38:26 EDT Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:38:26 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2099997 If you are a new user then Windows is probably going to be for you, I love Linux but I wouldn't expect my brothers children to use it.
For such users it is a good idea for whoever sets the system up to think of the security side for them.
My own ideas on this front include getting shot of Outlook and IE. All the usual security measures too, obviously. This is no real hardship as there are plenty of better alternatives.
A good next move is to put a Linux distro in a partition on their HD's.
By doing this can't we all have the best of both worlds?
Really, dual boot is so easy to set up and seems to answer most of the comments on this thread.
I don't want users to be prevented from enjoying their computers and this kind of set up allows both the running of games on Windows and the choice of switching over to a far more stable enterprise level solution for other use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2099997 Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:10:57 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2093841 Now however, ANYONE with a touch of reason knows that ANY M$ product generally isnt "completed" until 2 service packs and numerous "minor" patches are issued. Also M$ has always been designed with "ease of use" primary, and security secondary, hence all the bloated crap like themes ect that real users trash while every month or so another buffer overflow error comes up. thats simple facts.
im not getting into which o/s is better arguements, but each one does have its strengths, and also weaknesses. And i think it is fair to say that ease of use is M$'s strength, and security is its weakness
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Just don't denigrate people for challenging your assumptions about why your OS is better than theirs.
Then quit telling me I'm "stupid" because I choose something that works for ME, and not for you.
Excuse me, but you were the one who launched the first salvo. If you wish to be given due deference to your choice of operating systems, you must show similar deference to those who make different choices.
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Just don't denigrate people for challenging your assumptions about why your OS is better than theirs.
Then quit telling me I'm "stupid" because I choose something that works for ME, and not for you.

I don't just use my machine for games; that is merely the FIRST PRIORITY that I base any and all purchasing decisions for a computer on. After that, then I can add on to make sure it can handle as much else as possible.

cd-burning? just need a drive, and the proper software.

DVD movies? a dvd drive, and either a hardware PCI decoder, or a program like PowerDVD.

digital video? a proper camera and a firewire card.

Anything like hosting a website? A fast connection with a static IP, and some webpage-making software (currently, dreamweaver is my choice).

See my point? If I start with a strong enough PC that could handle gaming first, then all I need is just add some stuff to move on from there to other stuff.

I have no objections to people that do use non-Microsoft OS's. Hey, I know it isn't for everyone. However, why should I switch when it does everything i need it to do, works with all my hardware/software, and has RARELY given me a problem i couldn't fix?

What I DO object to is those that feel like just because I don't like Macs, and don't feel like trying Linux until AT LEAST my hardware can work on it, people like you automatically classify me as "an idiot," or a "pro-MS fool." I have NO tolerance for that kind of attitude, and I will respond however I can to prove my point that Bill Gates' product DOES work for ME, and therefore have no real reason to switch (as of yet).
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said by scarletsmith:
My modem cost $199.95, with a $150 rebate (making it $49.95). My network card was a $25 add-on to my new computer. That makes my total cost $74.99. If you really think modem/NIC packages cost $500, you've got some price comparisons to do.
I think you're missing my point.


No, I don't think I did. I think you changed your point to fit your argument.

You started out by claiming that if Linux was so great, it would run Windows games. When someone challenged that point, you changed to complaining that your modem wouldn't run under Linux. When someone challenged that point by bringing up the problem of using a software driven modem, you changed your approach again by responding with the explanation that yours was a built-in modem and it worked just fine under Windows but didn't under Linux. When someone challenged that point by bringing up the more OS-independent solution of external modem + NIC, you complained about the price ($500 modem/NIC combos). When I challenged your point by bringing up a real example of a real (and typical) modem/NIC price range, you changed again to this approach:

said by C0deZer0:
Like I said, it doesn't matter anyway, for I have little to no use for even having a NIC card in this computer; it's the only computer I have, and the only other thing that I do use that could get online is my Sega Dreamcast. The only reason I would see it practical getting a NIC/ethernet modem is after I would get a DC broadband adapter, but since Sega don't sell those anymore, there's not much point.

Besides, I've yet to have any major problems with my ENI 3060 (only a few hiccups here and there, but those were merely cosmetic, and due to them being beta-level drivers), but connection-wise, they have given me no problems :) .


Which brings us back to the original topic, which is that YOU may have no practical use for changing to a non-Microsoft OS, but many people do, and for them, this story of a major, serious XP security hole is a big part of this reason for changing to a non-MS based OS. Not everyone uses their machines just to play games. You do; that's cool. Just don't denigrate people for challenging your assumptions about why your OS is better than theirs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-It-doesnt-matter-anyway-2081455 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:23:49 EDT It doesn't matter anyway http://www.dslreports.com/forum/It-doesnt-matter-anyway-2080131 said by scarletsmith:
My modem cost $199.95, with a $150 rebate (making it $49.95). My network card was a $25 add-on to my new computer. That makes my total cost $74.99. If you really think modem/NIC packages cost $500, you've got some price comparisons to do.
I think you're missing my point.

Like I said, it doesn't matter anyway, for I have little to no use for even having a NIC card in this computer; it's the only computer I have, and the only other thing that I do use that could get online is my Sega Dreamcast. The only reason I would see it practical getting a NIC/ethernet modem is after I would get a DC broadband adapter, but since Sega don't sell those anymore, there's not much point.

Besides, I've yet to have any major problems with my ENI 3060 (only a few hiccups here and there, but those were merely cosmetic, and due to them being beta-level drivers), but connection-wise, they have given me no problems :) .
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Just a question.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2079511 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:43:40 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2079421 said by C0deZer0:
Oh yea, like we could all afford $500 external modems/NIC packages like you.


My modem cost $199.95, with a $150 rebate (making it $49.95). My network card was a $25 add-on to my new computer. That makes my total cost $74.99. If you really think modem/NIC packages cost $500, you've got some price comparisons to do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2079421 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:25:33 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2079374 --
Everything AOL touches just plain sucks. End of Story!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2079374 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:15:37 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2079367 said by JYoung:
Even worse..... and it reinforces my point about externals, which also easier to share the connection among multiple devices as well
Oh yea, like we could all afford $500 external modems/NIC packages like you.

Not to mention, I have very little use for an external modem, as this is the only computer I have, and the only other thing that WOULD make use of my DSL would be the dreamcast, and ONLY if I can get a broadband adapter for it.

And I will re-iterate: with Windows, I've NEVER, EVER had to buy extra hardware, even when I went from 98 to XP. Why should I for an open-source OS?
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Just my opinion. Not attacking anyone.
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I agree that a MS OS should require fewer patches but some people here say silly things like their "glad they don't have to rely on a Windows machine from day to day". What are you talking about? I use my XP machine at home, and an NT 4.0 machine at work and I have never crashed either one or had any problems.

As far as those who argue about the price of the OS how there should be no flaws in it...when was the last time you bought something equally complex to build from a large corporation...such as a new automobile... particularly an American automobile. Chrysler, GM, and Ford constantly issue recalls for their vehicles, whether they cost $15,000 or $50,000.
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It's an INTERNAL PCI DSL modem; let's be clear about that.....


Even worse..... and it reinforces my point about externals, which also easier to share the connection among multiple devices as well

[text was edited by author 2001-12-26 03:57:54]
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2078531 Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:56:54 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2077748 said by zipp:
Then why did they release version after version of DOS? It's not like every new version included only "new features".

Actually, mostly yes, they did. They were developing system calls at that point in time that were adding more and more functionality, and if I'm not mistaken (any old-head programmers here?), they all added systemic functionality of one sort or another.
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said by Copzilla:
For the rest of us computer users, who actually can use Linux, Unix, OS X, we actually understand that our computers are capable of much more than that.
Like what?

Like surfing the internet, networking, serving data, things like that.

Things that require system security.

Which is what this article is about.

Not games.
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If you dedicated as much time to finding solutions as you have to WHINING, you'd have nothing left to WHINE about.
Amen to that!
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Merry F-ing Christmas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-my-wish-2077618 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:03:32 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2077254
I'd sure enjoy that, but I would add:
•Having pings of 2ms or less to ANYWHERE on the internet, including all game servers :)
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1. 15Mbps/15Mbps SDSL for free at any distance from the CO, with instant tech support calling YOU the INSTANT they suspect that you may be unhappy with this perfect product.

2. Microsoft coming out with a product that EVERYONE agrees is perfect without flaw- EVER, and PAYING "customers" to install and use the operating system.

3. Microsoft going out of its way to make sure that other companies come out with identical operating systems with different names- AND THESE companies will pay people to use the software too- afterall- if there were 4 companies making identical PERFECT operating systems, people here would complain that they are an oligopoly using anti-competitive tactics to keep it down to only 4 companies.

4. Intel and AMD giving free HDTV sets away for when the processor fails- so people can watch TV until they get their computer fixed.

5. The ability to legally skirt out of the terms of service of ANY service when it becomes evident they haven't READ the contract they clicked "I agree" to.

Any additions? (And if you're going to add "Reliable service at a reasonable cost with great tech support" please save the energy- because you'll never be happy with ANYONE) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2077239 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:54:10 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2076749 said by C0deZer0:
I think you took my words wayyyyyyyy out of Context.

I was merely stating that compared to some others, MS's stuff has rarely given ME any issues that couldn't be fixed.

(yawn) Whatever.
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I was merely stating that compared to some others, MS's stuff has rarely given ME any issues that couldn't be fixed.
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Only reason it don't work under Linux YET last I was told was because there's two Alcatel chips on the 3060 that aren't yet recognized by the current level of drivers that were in the 2.4.x kernel, last I was told.
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said by C0deZer0:
Actually, my 56k had drivers for DOS when I used 98, so that SHOULD mean it IS possible to run this modem in Linux, correct?

Also, my DSL modem has drivers currently under development, last I heard from another, more mature source.


Then you're using a USB DSL modem. If you were using an external Ethernet modem or an external analog modem, you wouldn't need modem/OS specific drivers. I use externals and they don't care what OS I use.
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Have a nice day]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2076286 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 18:07:55 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2075761 said by C0deZer0:
I am in no way doubting MS's business practices. Far from it. However, there is the simple fact that Microsoft's stuff has - more often than not - always worked, with no hiccups. If there was ever a problem, I'd usually have a way to fix it. can't go wrong with that, right?


MSDOS 4.0, Windows 3.0, Windows NT 4.0 (pre SP3), Windows NT 4.0 SP5, and Windows ME all had/have significant "hiccups". Outlook, in its first incarnation, was best termed "look out." IE rightfully earned the moniker "Internet Exploder".

The "simple fact" is that, historically, Microsoft products have to go through several iterations of release to the marketplace before they achieve a measure of stability and utility. In the quest for products that work "without hiccups", the historical and statistical evidence does not favor Microsoft.

Recent evidence indicates that Microsoft is not able to keep pace with those who probe for security weakness and vulnerability as much for sport as for any personal gain. While that is a daunting challenge for any software vendor, it would be easier to accept vulnerabilities in Microsoft's products if the company were more forthright and more expeditious in dealing with them.

If Microsoft could stomach uttering the words "We f****d up," this discussion would not be happening. That is the "simple fact."
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Its hard not to use Microsoft products when businesses you work with and/or for use them and require them. I work for DSL internet company, the IT staff knows Outlook stinks, but if thats what corporate wants thats what we use.

I also make music a a hobby, most of the apps I want to use run only on the Windows platform. There are some Macintosh applications available but not as many or the specific ones I want to use. (Though MAC is great for video/graphics). Not to mention the higher costs of working with that platform, and *nix platforms? Im not aware of any multitracking real time recording and playback software there.

When every large corporation down the the mid-sized and small businesses out there use MS its hard to be different. I personally prefer FreeBSD for networking. But business in general prefers MS, and when it comes to music and gaming... there's only one clear choice for me if I want it or not.

P.S. I still think Dvorak had a good idea in his PC Magazine column encouraging software companies to release thier dead/dying software as open source. (Come on IBM give us OS/2!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2075519 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:58:51 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2075256 said by KrK:
You're running SOFTWARE modems... any *real* modem will work fine with Linux or other OS's. There's a reason they are called "Win" modems... then ONLY work under Windows... they won't even work under Dos.
Actually, my 56k had drivers for DOS when I used 98, so that SHOULD mean it IS possible to run this modem in Linux, correct?

Also, my DSL modem has drivers currently under development, last I heard from another, more mature source.

said by KrK:
Games run on the platform the programmers programmed them for! Can't blame the OS for that.
When people like you act like "Linux can run any damn thing," how can this not be under the list?

said by copzilla:
If Windows is so much better, why can't it run Amped, Tony Hawk's, SSX Tricky?
Actually, Tony Hawk is practically on EVERY platform except for Linux. Even Macs have a version. Amped/SSX are on PS2 and Xbox, and there's nothing stopping the developers from porting them to a PC platform. But, in all honesty, snowboarding games have classically sucked to me, so I'm not exactly caring about those.

said by copzilla:
For the rest of us computer users, who actually can use Linux, Unix, OS X, we actually understand that our computers are capable of much more than that.
Like what?

Then one day, you wake up, and realize how frikkin' bored you are. You go to a store, and realize that there isn't ONE GAME that they sell for linux/Unix, or that those versions will come anywhere between 6 months to years later. All the while, you have a cd with a copy of Win2k or XP sitting there, which COULD play all your games, and make your system look super sweet.

Please don't tell me that you wouldn't install it then. ;)

This is what I say when these Linux/Macheads simply don't understand what I need out of a PC. For me, before I even SERIOUSLY think of even going for getting a rig, it would have to be able to handle games well FIRST, before anything else. Why? Because once it can handle that, then anything else I put it through, it will handle with ease, provided I got the hardware to assist it.

There is also the simple fact that when it comes to computer games, more often than not, they come out to Windows FIRST, before developers even think of making a port. Why? Two reasons:
-Windows is much more friendly to running games, from personal experience, and
-the market sure as hell is there.

I am in no way doubting MS's business practices. Far from it. However, there is the simple fact that Microsoft's stuff has - more often than not - always worked, with no hiccups. If there was ever a problem, I'd usually have a way to fix it. can't go wrong with that, right?

However, I'm getting a little annoyed with people who feel it's their birthright to make me look like an idiot, because I choose to run something that WORKS FOR ME. And that my friends, is MY final answer.
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If it's so much better, then why can't Linux run:

-Max Payne
-Serious Sam
-Aliens vs. Predator (or 2 for that matter)

If Windows is so much better, why can't it run Amped, Tony Hawk's, SSX Tricky?

In this little world, the computer is relegated to the same status as a Playstation 2 or an XBox.

For the rest of us computer users, who actually can use Linux, Unix, OS X, we actually understand that our computers are capable of much more than that.
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Also, can anyone tell me of an operating system on the market today that never needed to be patched?

Yeah! DOS. ;)

Uther
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Games run on the platform the programmers programmed them for! Can't blame the OS for that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073927 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 04:07:49 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073534 --
Everything AOL touches just plain sucks. End of Story!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073534 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:44:44 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073447 And there is a company, Loki, which is dedicated to porting various games to the Linux platform.

Modem drivers? Perhaps you have *Win*modems?

I've just been playing with the various Linux distros these past months, and I'll tell ya, it's made me appreciate the ease of the Windows OS. Linux lacks a LOT in user-friendliness for those of us who have used Windows for years.
I dislike Microsoft's general business practices. I fully agree with the finding they are a monopoly and abuse that standing. Regularly.
But for a PC OS, Windows is the best there is for now, lame-ass security or not. Linux will be great, but it has a way to go...I love the Mac OS, but what a pain to build your own Mac.
So I use Windows, but I don't use OE, use IE as little as possible, and buy the alternative products for anything other MS program I can.
KM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073447 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:26:19 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073121 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2073121 Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:27:20 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2072664
I'm glad I don't rely on an M$ OS for my day to day work. With all the hoops I would have to jump through and all the patches I need to apply, I wouldn't have time left in the day to do any productive work. Why can't they get it right the first time? No the second time....wait, maybe a third time...Sheesh!

No wonder the FBI is taking such a strong stance this time, it's not "plug and play," ITS "plug and PRAY" when it comes to any Windows OS product.
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-Max Payne
-Serious Sam
-Aliens vs. Predator (or 2 for that matter)

Why in the hell can't they provide any WORKING DRIVERS for any of my modems, hmm?

I'm really sick of all these Mac/Linux-heads who act like they could take 63 MILLION lines of code (what Win2000 is made of), and make an OS that:
-runs, and runs fast
-runs stably, even with the MILLIONS of different possible parts/configs available
-runs millions and millions of programs, with the least likely chance of crashing.

Until then, do me a favor and keep quiet already.
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[root/]# rm -f /bin/laden/osama]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2072339 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:55:16 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2071873
»www.newsbytes.com/news/0 ··· 079.html

And Sun didn't get the patch out the next day.

Hope that doesn't mess things up for you. As for those who don't like M$ and/or think it is too expensive, don't buy it. This is America.

Also, can anyone tell me of an operating system on the market today that never needed to be patched?
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Have a nice day]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2071873 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:20:59 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2071594 said by elsupremo:
If you can do better, do so. Until then, CLOSE the yapper.


But we can do better. And many ARE doing better. They are doing Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI, or Solaris. These are enterprise-class operating systems, with a track record of stability and security which easily surpasses anything Microsoft has released, and a wealth of applications that run on them.

If anyone should feel obligated to close their "yapper", it is Microsoft. They should hang their heads in shame for being so easily and thoroughly bested in a game they claim to be the masters of--writing software.
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www.tekmedia.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2071594 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:16:39 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2071322
To make matters worse the product has so many security holes in it that you could use it as a fishing net.

Only in the Computer industry can a company continuously get away with selling a product that is not fit to be on the market.

Don't get me wrong, some of the problems are caused by other vendors, bad software drivers, bad code by Games companies etc, they are all to blame, but MS must accept the bulk of the blame for a faulty product.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2071322 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:10:42 EDT THUMBS DOWN IS RIGHT! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/THUMBS-DOWN-IS-RIGHT-2070963
Microsoft's statement (remember it?) The most secure operating system ever?

How many years now? How many dead companies? How many times have they pulled people off of corrective projects to do things like make IE and kill Netscape? (I remember waiting for fixes in the early 90's to the old Microsoft mail, only to find out a year later that no work was done on it, all the programmers were put on the "kill Netscape project").

How many times have they called what people other than apparently you would consider flaws, "features"?

Everyone knows that if man can make it, some nut can break it. Only problem is, Microsoft has not taken action to make it harder for the nuts to break it. Too busy killing competition.

My only surprise is that after all this time, the word is just getting out officially that there are problems in XP that an honest company should have fixed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/THUMBS-DOWN-IS-RIGHT-2070963 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:56:48 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070930
So, then because I can not build a better car brake system, I am not allowed to complain if my car's brake system fails.

A senseless reasoning, that.

I can't build a better operating system. So what? That's what I've paid someone else to do for me. Anyone who trusts M$ to provide a decent, secure operating system is a fool. After all these years, users _still_ run the Microsoft's Email Virus Delivery System (Outlook), _still_ use IE, and still trust M$ to provide secure networking solutions.

I laugh when I read about people being plagued by outlook-borne virus problems. Because I an a heartless bastard? Not really (although I am), but rather because I have no sympathy for anyone who engages in self-injury. Relying on M$ fro security is kind of like relying on a rice paper rain coat: It works just fine until it rains.

If we're to believe the M$ marketing department, many people actually trust the M$ Passport system with personal data. This despite years of data mis-management and security breaches in M$'s own online systems. I can hardly wait for the first loss of Passport credit card data.

Trent.

Microsoft Windows bears the Kevorkian Seal of Approval for Life Support.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070930 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:49:07 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070697 --
Optimum online since April 14, 2001 Big cheese of #optimumonline efnet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070697 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:58:22 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070647 --
"Dude, you're gettin' a smell."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070647 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:47:57 EDT Re: ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070596
I cannot design an OS, but I am with Microsoft because of application software. I am testing the Linux water, and I think I like what I see so far.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ooooo-look-at-ME-2070596 Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:41:46 EDT ooooo look at ME!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ooooo-look-at-ME-2070334
If you can do better, do so. Until then, CLOSE the yapper.
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