Topic 'Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches' in forum 'Pub Games' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20788808 en Sat, 26 Mar 2022 14:03:53 EDT Sat, 26 Mar 2022 14:03:53 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860669 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860669 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:13:20 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860654 Pub Games FAQ »Tips on how to play the Cop role (in a C9 game). ). This is why I targeted you.
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860654 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:10:36 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860606
BTW, I successfully investigated you, Dez, before you killed me. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860606 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:00:49 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860421 It was Dr. Seuss that coined "NERD"
It has to be true you dumb oaf,
I heard in on a game show hosted by MEATLOAF!
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The sun came up the sun went down
and that was the end of the town
with chlen 's last words
"I am town you dumb birds"

The mafia came out on top
and now no sneeches will romp
at the beach or in a house
it is now all left to the mouse.

As muzscman watched the rest
out came Cindy Lou WhoMDReferee , at her best.
She was not much more than 2
plus twenty and in full view.

It was hard to see how she could have fit
in such an itchy and tight outfit.
But the costume seemed to have held her.
Now Muz and BigReds42 were in need of a shower.

Then they turned and saw who she was talking
to, the Grinch himself Dezbend came out walking
from his costume, a well made costume he bent
out of, and the said "Sneeches, your time is spent"

"This is my beach now, no more screaching.
From this time on, this is now for my beaching."
And with that he had gave a terrible laugh
"And now if you don't mind, it is time for my bath."

As the Grinch and Cindy Lou Who walked down the beach hand in hand
Cindy was heard commenting, "oh no we don't, it's hard to get the sand
out of some places you know, so I don't think we will be doing anythink
like that, no new building on the beach, let't just watch the sun sink"

(alternate ending-- mafia did win, but if I were going to be a jerk, not that I didn't think about it)

With that chlen came out with his not last breath
said "what are you two thinking, noone has signed my death
papers, I am still alive and there are now three against two,
and we now know who is the Grinch and Cindy Lou Who"

With that the three got together
and almost became birds of a feather
first it was the Grinch they strung high and far,
But Cindy Lou Who, they attached to a vertical bar.

They could not kill the one know as Cindy
And they Sneeches were feeling quite bindy
So they continued to frequent the place
where she had to serve drinks, she could not lace.

She did her best to dance but found
her self more times than not on the ground.
It is hard to dance on a vertical bar rink
much less stick to a wall, when trying to pour drinks.

Cop - Sgt Mulligan
You are the cop and this is your beat,
though you be far from Mullberry street.
You have been called in on this case,
and the blood has been hard to face.

These poor innocent little Sneeches
are being chased away from the public beaches
You need to find out why
and best do it before you die.

You are undercover in a Sneech outfit.
it is hot and itchy and doesn't quite fit.
But take off the head so you can breath,
and try to guess how long till your soul is free.

Goon - Grinch
The sneaches with on the beaches you don't care.
But you can hear the laughter in your lair.
Your plan is to kill them all,
And you are going to stand by and watch the fall.

It is an easy plan
for you are the man,
you are the monkey with the wrench.
Ah face it, you are MR. GRINCH.

You are hiding in a Sneech outfit
it is hot and itch and doesn't quite fit.
An old friend is helping and with 'Who' you plan
contact this 'Who' MDReferee, to help stick it to the man!

Goon - Cindly Lou Who
You have been asked to help a freind,
And for so long he has been on the mend.
But you know his problem is the noise,
And with those stars you can't tell girls from boys.

'Come help me drive them away,
and make sure they are gone.' he would say.
And you agree, because you have not gotten any sleep
Since the Sneeches came and bothered the sheep.

You are hiding in a Sneech outfit
it is hot and itch and doesn't quite fit.
Here is the one to whom you can speak.
Your friend is Gomez (now Dezbend), want's them dead in a week.

townie - Sneech
Here you are, You are a Sneech
and you have been having fun on the beach.
You do not care about the stars
some have them upon thars.

Stars are easy to put on and off,
But it appears that others still hold aloff.
They have killed a Sneech and are hiding
Somewhere in your mist, the time they are biding.

Some have found a part of Sneech costume
and quickly some have assume
that not every one is a sneech
it's time to lynch the lying son of a leach.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860421 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:24:58 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860279 (for the look of the thing]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20860279 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:57:25 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20859783 said by chlen:

town lost, Im a sneech.
Its true, MDReferee and I are the mafia.

good game all.
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20859783 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:51:15 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20859026 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20859026 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:33:57 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20858089
We await our ever-rhyming mod
but it appears he's on the nod
He's been gone over 49 hours
so we'll just wait for his powers.

That was TERRIBLE!


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If I didn't see it... it didn't happen!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20858089 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:20:46 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20854731 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20854731 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:11:21 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20853422 How about some bleeding...

Vote: chlen
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If I didn't see it... it didn't happen!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20853422 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:44:57 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20851873 said by Dezbend:

vote: chlen

That action was the final straw IMO. We are Lynch or lose and you seem chevalier with your vote.
I agree. Lets get this party rolling..

Vote: Chlen]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20851873 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:57:25 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20851574 vote: chlen

That action was the final straw IMO. We are Lynch or lose and you seem chevalier with your vote.
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20851574 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:24:54 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20850425 said by chlen:

I am a sneech, you lynch me and you lose. I dont have a lot of time to post over the weekend.

vote reds
Lynch or Loose chlen....we shouldn't vote anyone because if there are two mafia left, they could close the game out right now....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20850425 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:31:22 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20849859
vote reds]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20849859 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:23:42 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20849811 --
DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20849811 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:11:50 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20849355
I'll try and re-read this thread tonight and maybe tomorrow but I cannot promise anything.

We need to be careful here.
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Mafia: »Pub Games
Remember the golden rule of the internet..it's the place where men are men, women are also men, and children are the FBI.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20849355 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:33:36 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20848686 Official Vote Count
Players needed to Lynch: 3

Not voting
MDReferee muzcman Bigreds42 chlen Dezbend
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Is this the right room for an argument? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20848686 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:03:59 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20848210 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20848210 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:34:33 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20847917 has bad repercussions
our vote will unguided
if we are undecided
So please say your peace
before we all decease
I may just cast my vote
and see if thats all she wrote
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Go town.

[/ghost]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20847720 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:59:06 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20847244 #2 suspect: muzscman (pushed for drew... seems scummy)
#3 suspect: MDReferee (we have been stuck at L-1 a couple times this game without the mafia stricking which leads me to believe that one of the inactive players is mafia)
#4 suspect: Bigreds42 (by process of elimination)
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20847244 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:39:52 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20847038 that is very few left alive
we are in a lynch or lose
so be careful who you chose
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20847038 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:55:15 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20846982 to keep him this side of the border

Player List
BigReds42
brian
chlen
Count Zero
Dezbend
drew
Karride
MDReferee
muzscman

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Kick some ASS town!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20846902 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:31:21 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20846857 the sneeches needed rest, the brains were sore.
but the morning left no surprises
they stretched and yawned and rubbed eyeses.

But as some started stating they need a hero
people started asking about Count Zero
it is true, when he wakes it would be he
that would be able to sort out the melee.

But Count Zero never arived
they finally found his head in a bee hive.
"Breakfast was done an hour ago,
now get your head out or there will be a row!"

But his head never left,
because in the night there was a theft.
Someone stole his head
and put the bee hive on with thread.

In his house the sneeches found
nothing special around
he was just a normal sneech
who liked laying on the bead

RIP Count Zero
It is now DAY
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but the sneeches knew that someone was lieing
And now they had to decide who was dieing.

Once it looked like it was MDReferee 's death
but he came in just in time, and all took a breath.
but then they rounded around another and brought out hooks
Shouting things like, "You smell, and we don't like your looks."

drew in turn said, "Wait I don't want to die.
Can't you see, I have been nothing but a nice guy."
But no one heard him over the wreck,
it was muzscman who put the noose on his neck.

"If you are not a sneech,
Your but will hit the beach
and this won't hurt a bit"
said muz "you little snit".

And there the trap door flew
and there was not a doubt who
drew ended up to be, as his but
did hit the ground, but his life was shut.

His neck did truly leave his body
but not like a costume head, the work was shoddy.
As blood dripped everywhere on the beach
drew turned out to be an normal sneech.
And with that it was

RIP DREW
IT IS NIGHT

It is again the time
where there is no need of rhyme
to the incomming PMs
that the night people need to sends.
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Vote: Drew

I made the claim so it's only right I finish it off...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844544 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:59:05 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844128
Lynch chlen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844128 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:31:10 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844096 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844096 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:26:04 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844038 --
DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20844038 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:16:03 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843511 said by TheRul:

Players needed to Lynch: 4

drew (3) - Count Zero, Bigreds42, Dezbend (L-1)
Dezbend (1) - chlen (L-3)
MDreferee (1) - drew (L-3)
Bigreds42 (1) - muzcman (L-3)
Not voting
MDReferee

Please make sure that the vote is correct...
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Is this the right room for an argument? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843511 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:48:21 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843486
vote: Drew
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843486 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:44:19 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843460 said by muzscman:

said by BigReds42:

said by muzscman:

Vote: MDReferee

Come out come out were ever you are.....
This happened just too quick for me...

Unvote: Count Zero
Vote: muzscman
Okay....not sure what's wrong with you. I put the first vote down. Drew goes and puts him at L1 rather fast, and you vote me??

Unvote: MDreferee
Vote: BigReds42

Sounds a bit like the two of you might be working together..
I felt the same thing about you and Dez actually...

Drew isn't give up much info either... so I will agree with CZ.

Unvote: Count Zero
Vote: Drew]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843460 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:40:46 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843457 said by Count Zero:

I completely agree about Drew.
Any reason why u don't think reds is??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843457 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:40:24 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843442 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843442 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:38:25 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843427
BigReds and Drew are looking like mafia to me....very much so......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843427 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:36:26 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843414 said by BigReds42:

said by muzscman:

Vote: MDReferee

Come out come out were ever you are.....
This happened just too quick for me...

Unvote: Count Zero
Vote: muzscman
Okay....not sure what's wrong with you. I put the first vote down. Drew goes and puts him at L1 rather fast, and you vote me??

Unvote: MDreferee
Vote: BigReds42

Sounds a bit like the two of you might be working together..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843414 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:35:15 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843266
I am going to give this some thought, maybe place my vote after work (2 hours) when I have more time to reread the game.
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20843266 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:13:33 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842765 said by TheRul:

Players needed to Lynch: 4

muzcman (1) - Bigreds42(L-3)
drew (1) - Count Zero (L-3)
Dezbend (1) - chlen (L-3)
MDreferee (2) - muzcman, drew (L-2)
Not voting
MDReferee
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Is this the right room for an argument? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842765 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:50:45 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842737 said by muzscman:

Vote: MDReferee

Come out come out were ever you are.....
This happened just too quick for me...

Unvote: Count Zero
Vote: muzscman]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842737 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:45:13 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842728 said by MDReferee:

Good lord...

Sorry, I'm busy saving the world. Check back with me when half of South Texas isn't underwater.
fair enough

horton heard a who...

unvote: mdreferee

(for now)
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DSLr Mafia Member.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842728 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:43:48 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842725
Sorry, I'm busy saving the world. Check back with me when half of South Texas isn't underwater.
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If I didn't see it... it didn't happen!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842725 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:43:05 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842714 Players needed to Lynch: 4

Count Zero (1) - Bigreds42(L-3)
drew (1) - Count Zero (L-3)
Dezbend (1) - chlen (L-3)
MDreferee (3) - Dezbend, muzcman, drew (L-1)
Not voting
MDReferee
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Is this the right room for an argument? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842714 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:40:02 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842411 said by muzscman:

Vote: MDReferee

Come out come out were ever you are.....
Unvote: chlen
Vote: MDReferee

Note: I'll be back on chlen ASAP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842411 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:45:32 EDT Re: [game] Sneeches on Beaches http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-game-Sneeches-on-Beaches-20842401 Players needed to Lynch: 4

Count Zero (1) - Bigreds42(L-3)
drew (1) - Count Zero (L-3)
chlen (1) - drew (L-3)
Dezbend (1) - chlen (L-3)
MDreferee (2) - Dezbend,muzcman (L-2)
Not voting
MDReferee
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