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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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Yes, yes, but you already stated the facts.
Fact #1: NBC can't stream any more than they paid for. The operative words being 'PAID FOR'
Fact #2: Comcast users can's stream any faster than they paid for. Again, the operative words being 'PAID FOR'.
I fail to see the problem. BOTH SIDES PAID.

Ahhh, but I get your point. You see, comcast is selling something they are incapable of providing? Is that what you are trying to say? I mean, if I paid for a 16mb/sec connection, well then, I expect to be able to use 16mb/sec. Maybe, just maybe, if comcast DIDN'T SELL what they can't provide, this wouldn't be a problem? If comcast can only provide 2mb/sec, then that's what they should sell.

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said by karlmarx:

Ahhh, but I get your point. You see, comcast is selling something they are incapable of providing? Is that what you are trying to say? I mean, if I paid for a 16mb/sec connection, well then, I expect to be able to use 16mb/sec. Maybe, just maybe, if comcast DIDN'T SELL what they can't provide, this wouldn't be a problem? If comcast can only provide 2mb/sec, then that's what they should sell.
You are confusing speed with volume they are experimenting with limiting volume, In order to ensure that everyone can get their full speed. No residental plan has ever been based on all users using maximum speed 100% of the time. The cost of providing that sort of service would be too expensive for most users.
The problem now is a much higher % of users are using their connection above the statistical average the network was designed for/has current capacity for, the rate useage is growing faster than the "plant" can be improved.

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They're not trying to limit volume. They're trying to get everyone who makes good use of their connection to pay more for the volume they already use--they want to double their profit margin. What they'll really get is a network sitting there more unused than it used to be because a good portion of their customers will defect. Now, if they want to offer cheaper tiers for lower volumes/speeds, then they might have some takers; but as it is, their only interest is more money for the same old network.

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@comcast.net

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LOL, you have a serious lack of understanding.

Why do you think comcast is spending BILLIONS every your for infrastructure upgrades? Because of Ms Jones who uses it to read e-mail? Does here small amount of internet usage on the Comcast network cause them to upgrade it?

No, it's the people that are the biggest users. Why should Ms Jones be made to pay for YOUR above average use?

Guess what, when a company wants more phonelines and it requires the phone company to build more hardlines to that business, guess who pays for it?

This really isn't rocket science.
grafenberg
join:2002-02-01

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The U.S. Government pays for it. Or it did, back in the 1990s.

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then Ms Jones should be charged $10 for barely using her connection, but you will never see that happen. hence, the obvious greed of comcast and other providers.

on the one hand: customers that "overconsume" are bad and must be charged more. on the other hand: customers that just do light surfing and email aren't charged less.

any type of cap/overage system must address both the light and heavy users else it is not fair and should never be supported.
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