Topic 'Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver' in forum 'Verizon FiOS' - dslreports.com

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:41:43 EDT

tgreaves posted : Im up and running now.. :)

What I had to do was get the mac address of the Actiontec router and then go into the setup for my network card on my server and spoof the mac address.. Once I did that everything worked great..

Thanks to everyone that helped me out with this..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:57:50 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by Oregonian2:btw - You might be right that you have a Gigabit hub, but I'd be really really really surprised if it was. Most likely it's a layer-2 switch which are very inexpensive (even my under-$100 D-link draft-n wifi router contains a gigabit switch with four external ports).

Its a Netgear GS105 desktop switch.. So your correct, it isnt a hub, its a switch..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:44:35 EDT

Oregonian2 posted :

said by tgreaves:

Funny story here.. I just called Verizon tech support and asked them to release the mac address binding on their end and they said that they arent allowed to do that..

Any suggestions?

I havent tried disconnecting the ethernet cable for 2 hours yet but I will tonight.. Will this work?

Do a search (or in a FAQ somewhere) about setting up the Actiontec as a bridge. It's usually in the context of using another router when the Actiontec is required to be there. Your case is similar but instead of another router being connected you want to use your server. It's covered pretty heavily in a major way.

btw - You might be right that you have a Gigabit hub, but I'd be really really really surprised if it was. Most likely it's a layer-2 switch which are very inexpensive (even my under-$100 D-link draft-n wifi router contains a gigabit switch with four external ports).

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:49:59 EDT

tgreaves posted : Funny story here.. I just called Verizon tech support and asked them to release the mac address binding on their end and they said that they arent allowed to do that..

Any suggestions?

I havent tried disconnecting the ethernet cable for 2 hours yet but I will tonight.. Will this work?

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:29:00 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by Smith6612:

He's saying he wants his Windows server to hand out network IPs while letting the ActionTec just do the basics of routing.

Correct..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:27:21 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by More Fiber:

said by tgreaves:

ONT-(cat5e)-->Windows Server-(cat5e)-->gigabit router-(cat5e)-->actiontec router in bridged mode-(coax)-->STB's

I actually want my windows server to be the DHCP server.. I want the actiontec to only do what is needed..

To be using Windows Server as a firewall, I'm assuming that it has at least two NICs (one WAN + one LAN) installed.

How many subnets do you have configured? To me it appears you have 2, or possibly 3:
•Windows server LAN side.
•Gig-E router LAN side.
•Actiontec MOCA LAN (depends on type of connection to Gig-E router).

If you want the Windows server to be your DHCP server for all LAN devices, then you need to have all LAN devices on the same subnet and not separated by routers.

Given that you have a Gig-E router, it is not clear to me why you are using the Windows machine as a firewall. Seems to me the Gig-E router would do that very nicely.

I would do something like this:

ONT-(cat5e)-->Gig-E router/FW+--->(LAN)Actiontec--(coax)-->STB's                             +--->Windows Server                               +--->PCs

With the Windows Server on the LAN side of the Gig-E router, it's DHCP service can provide DHCP addresses to all LAN devices.

I'd also use a LAN-to-LAN connection between the Actiontec and the Gig-E router. This allows the STBs to be on the same subnet as the other LAN devices (and get their DHCP addresses from the Windows Server. With this configuration, you need to disable the DHCP server in the Actiontec. See this FAQ for detailed instructions:»Verizon FiOS FAQ »Replacing the Actiontec (part 4): LAN-to-LAN keeps all devices on one network

I have a gigabit HUB, not a router.. My windows server machine is my router, DCHP, DNS, domain controller, mail server, ect..

Yes, It has 2 nic's installed.. Everything with the windows server is working perfectly and has been for a while now with comcast.. I just want to hook the ethernet cable from the ont directly into the windows server machine, the rest seems pretty easy, just disable most everything on the actiontec and turn it into a bridge..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:23:29 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by Oregonian2:

said by tgreaves:

I actually want my windows server to be the DHCP server.. I want the actiontec to only do what is needed..

You want Verizon to get their IP address from you? Either I misunderstood something or you really think highly of your server. :-)

My server is the $hit.. :)

Naa, I want all my computers and my stb's to get their DHCP info from my server..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:40:27 EDT

Oregonian2 posted :

said by Smith6612:

He's saying he wants his Windows server to hand out network IPs while letting the ActionTec just do the basics of routing.

Then he only needs to turn off the DHCP server in the Actiontec. I seem to recall a switch being in there somewhere (obscure of course, as most everything is in that interface). Not sure why he was talking about matching MAC addresses if that's what he was trying to do. I thought in a previous posting he was talking about hooking up the server to the ONT's CAT-5, which is where that port would need to be a DHCP client. Okay... "never mind". :-)

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:40:07 EDT

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:24:51 EDT

Smith6612 posted : He's saying he wants his Windows server to hand out network IPs while letting the ActionTec just do the basics of routing.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:19:37 EDT

Oregonian2 posted :

said by tgreaves:

I actually want my windows server to be the DHCP server.. I want the actiontec to only do what is needed..

You want Verizon to get their IP address from you? Either I misunderstood something or you really think highly of your server. :-)

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:42:27 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by Oregonian2:

said by tgreaves:

When FSC does break the lease on the mac binding, will it rebind to another mac addr or does it just never bind again?

I'll admit that when I replaced my Actiontec with a D-link (to gain draft-N wifi) that I set up the D-link to fake the same mac-address of the Actiontec before trying it the first time (no guts, playing it safe), however I think I've read in other postings that doing so wasn't necessary. If they ship you a replacement Actiontec at some time, they're probably not keeping track of the old and new router's mac address nor keeping track of exactly when you do the replacement.

But be sure your server is being the DHCP client, and not the server. :-)

I actually want my windows server to be the DHCP server.. I want the actiontec to only do what is needed..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:12:53 EDT

Oregonian2 posted :

said by tgreaves:

When FSC does break the lease on the mac binding, will it rebind to another mac addr or does it just never bind again?

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:00:18 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by birdfeedr:

If, when you release the Actiontec, you see the internet light go out, or go from yellow from green, you know the release took place. If the windows server did not acquire an address afterwards, you may have a mac-bound address. With your server connected to the ethernet, you can call FSC to release the IP, whereupon rebooting the server it will pick up the IP address.

Others have gotten results by waiting for two hours, maybe less, depending on when the Actiontec lease expired. Upon startup, the server should pick up an address.

I have seen, in my experience, a setup that normally would release and renew but fail to do in one instance. I called FSC and they broke the lease from their end. Replacement router picked up the address right away.

When FSC does break the lease on the mac binding, will it rebind to another mac addr or does it just never bind again?

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:08:21 EDT

birdfeedr posted : If, when you release the Actiontec, you see the internet light go out, or go from yellow from green, you know the release took place. If the windows server did not acquire an address afterwards, you may have a mac-bound address. With your server connected to the ethernet, you can call FSC to release the IP, whereupon rebooting the server it will pick up the IP address.

Others have gotten results by waiting for two hours, maybe less, depending on when the Actiontec lease expired. Upon startup, the server should pick up an address.

I have seen, in my experience, a setup that normally would release and renew but fail to do in one instance. I called FSC and they broke the lease from their end. Replacement router picked up the address right away.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:30:02 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by More Fiber:

Sometimes a picture helps:

This is a ethernet install with TV.
[att=1]
Note that the ONT, Actiontec and STBs are all connected to the splitter.

Ahhhh, ok.. Thats exactly how mine is setup now.. :)

So what about the other problem? How do I get my windows server to get an ip address from the fios system? Is it bound to the mac addr of the actiontec? If so, how do I get the fios system to release the mac binding?

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:17:57 EDT

More Fiber posted : Sometimes a picture helps:

This is a ethernet install with TV.
[att=1]
Note that the ONT, Actiontec and STBs are all connected to the splitter.

Ethernet WAN + TV

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:06:13 EDT

birdfeedr posted : What you have is what you want. Ethernet data to the router gets onto the coax LAN to the STBs.

The only reason you *also* need the coax connected to the ONT, is so you get the regular TV channels. You may be confusing VOD (video on demand) which comes through the router with the regular TV signals which come straight from the ONT.

Disconnect coax from ONT, and you disconnect TV signals.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:17:29 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by birdfeedr:

In an earlier post, I said "unless you get an installer who can work with you"....

Well, I guess you got an installer who was willing to work with you, but didn't have the experience for a non-standard installation. Glad it worked out.

For those who are trying to figure it out, a standard installation these days consists of all signals on the coax, with all devices connected by coax. That puts WAN signals, LAN signals and TV RF signals on the same wire. They are all running on RF frequencies that do not overlap.

Your non-standard installation has WAN data on ethernet and LAN data on coax. By not connecting the coax to the ONT, he didn't complete the signal path for TV video.

So how do I go about running everything from cat5e then and not using the coax port from the ont????
I know coax needs to go to the stb's but im looking for everything to run by cat5e from the ont to the router..and then the coax will go from the router to the stbs.. Thats how it is now except there is a splitter in the coax that also connects to the coax port on the ont, so both the ethernet port and the coax port on the ont are being used right now where I only want the ethernet port being used..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:39:01 EDT

birdfeedr posted :

said by tgreaves:

Verizon support told him in addition to all of that that he had to connect any part of the coax to the coax port on the ont..

In an earlier post, I said "unless you get an installer who can work with you"....

Well, I guess you got an installer who was willing to work with you, but didn't have the experience for a non-standard installation. Glad it worked out.

For those who are trying to figure it out, a standard installation these days consists of all signals on the coax, with all devices connected by coax. That puts WAN signals, LAN signals and TV RF signals on the same wire. They are all running on RF frequencies that do not overlap.

Your non-standard installation has WAN data on ethernet and LAN data on coax. By not connecting the coax to the ONT, he didn't complete the signal path for TV video.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:45:50 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by birdfeedr:

There are two conections to the Actiontec: ethernet for the WAN port, and coax for the MoCA LAN. The Actiontec will get a coax line run from the first coax splitter.

Ethernet WAN light being green is good.

I know.. The ethernet wan port is lit up.. Verizon support told him in addition to all of that that he had to connect any part of the coax to the coax port on the ont..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:44:32 EDT

tgreaves posted :

said by PoloDude:

He tried to run Cat5 to the STBs?

No no.. He ran cat5e from the ont to the actiontec router.. Then there was coax from the router to the stb's.... This didnt work, he called verizon support and they said that in addition to the actiontec coax to stbs, the coax line also had to be connected to the ont's coax port..

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:19:59 EDT

birdfeedr posted : There are two conections to the Actiontec: ethernet for the WAN port, and coax for the MoCA LAN. The Actiontec will get a coax line run from the first coax splitter.

Ethernet WAN light being green is good.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:29:50 EDT

PoloDude posted : He tried to run Cat5 to the STBs?

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:12:37 EDT

tgreaves posted : FiOS got installed on Friday.. I did have some problems.. I released the DHCP from the router and then hooked the cat5e into my windows server machine but it wouldnt grab an ip address..

I have heard that the FiOS system might be bound to the mac address for the router.. If so how would I go about getting it to bind to the windows server mac address?

Also something else.. The installer tried to use only the cat5e to feed everything but that wouldnt allow the tv's to work.. He had to run the cat5e for the internet and the coax to the tv's.. The coax also runs up to the router along with the cat5e.. The "ethernet wan" light is lit on the router.. He called into FiOS support and they said that the coax from the ont need to go to the tv's and that the ethernet was only being used for VOD and things like that.. They said that the actual video for the tv's runs through the coax directly from the ont..

Any help here?????

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:30:32 EDT

More Fiber posted : The LAN-to-LAN connection (part 4) is required only for the MediaShare software that runs on PCs. Your DVRs will get VOD and guide data with either the LAN-to-LAN or LAN-to-WAN configuration.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:19:35 EDT

tgreaves posted : Well the windows server does the DHCP..

I heard that you need the lan-to-lan setup for the dvr to work correctly, is this correct?

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:02:04 EDT

birdfeedr posted : Unless you get an installer who can work with you, you may find it easier to let him set up ONT-(cat5)-->Actiontec (located same place as your Server2003 machine). Prove connection speed, and TV connection, etc. When all is working well that way, he's done.

When he's gone, use the FAQs to switch it out to the way you want it. Which, by the way, looks ok to me as well.

Don't worry about the actiontec bridged for the STBs. If the only thing that the Actiontec is providing is TV data, then connect it WAN to LAN. Otherwise go LAN-to-LAN with your gigabit router controlling the DHCP.

Re: [northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to ver

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:43:18 EDT

Artec posted :

said by tgreaves:

I am getting Verizon FiOS installed on Friday and I want to verify my setup.. Im running a network with a Windows Server 2003 machine as the firewall right now.. I dropped a cat5e cable down from my windows server machine to the basement where the ONT will be installed..

I am getting FiOS tv service also so is my setup correct?

ONT-(cat5e)-->Windows Server-(cat5e)-->gigabit router-(cat5e)-->actiontec router in bridged mode-(coax)-->STB's

Does this look right?

To me it does

[northeast] FiOS being installed on Friday, just want to verify

Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:51:49 EDT

tgreaves posted : I am getting Verizon FiOS installed on Friday and I want to verify my setup.. Im running a network with a Windows Server 2003 machine as the firewall right now.. I dropped a cat5e cable down from my windows server machine to the basement where the ONT will be installed..

I am getting FiOS tv service also so is my setup correct?

ONT-(cat5e)-->Windows Server-(cat5e)-->gigabit router-(cat5e)-->actiontec router in bridged mode-(coax)-->STB's

Does this look right?