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At the time the Nokia N95 was far superior to the First Gen Iphone. Its was 3G , had GPS, and had 3 Meg camera. Along with other better things. I just think the Iphones are for people who think there intellectually superior , but aren't.

Ouch. I want an iPhone because I like the overall design of it, the app store, plus the 3G, GPS, 3mg camera, video recording, google maps, etc etc.

The N95 Does all that ,except the apple stuff, and its been out for almost 3 years.

A lot of Windows Mobile phones have had those functions for quite some time. The iPhone is just now catching up function-wise.

ROFLMAO!

If they were "intellectually superior," they wouldn't be paying double or so for a data plan for that thing.

If under contract, why would they even think they are entitled to a new phone at the low price? Nobody else is regardless of phone.

Let's see:
3g at 7.2mbps won't be any faster than their 3.6mbps 3g was on last year's iphone because ATT's network will still be overloaded. Not that the 7.2mbps 3g is anything special anyways. Most 3g smartphones have been selling 7.2mbps HSPA standard for years. iPhone is just catching up.
GPS won't be free. It's from TomTom (EDIT: thanks jvanbrecht) so you'll likely be charged at least $99. Chances are, knowing the iphone crowd, they'll get charged even more, and pay more for what everyone else gets for less. GPS navigation is available on all smartphones (except for the iphone - until now) and even most dumbphones nowadays. iPhone is just catching up.
3mp camera? Instead of the now-standard 5mp or 8mp? Sounds smart. iPhone is just catching up.
Video recording? Again, every smartphone and dumbphone with a camera has had this for years. iPhone is just catching up.
Google Maps? Yet again, every smartphone and dumbphone can get this. yay iphone.

Don't believe it? Check out:
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www.nokia.com
www.blackberry.com

I've got two reasons to get the iPhone over any other smartphone out there:

1) Battery life (the iPhone's doesn't suck, all other smartphones I've tried do)
2) Application support (50k+ vs. a much smaller amount, plus if you jailbreak you get maybe another few hundred...Palm oS had this kind of support in the good old days but it's fading fast)

There's no doubt that the other guys in the field are making good products (my Touch Pro is great and my future Touch Pro2 will be even greater I think). However when you've got 40m devices using the same smartphone operating system, an what you develop could be promoted to the point that you're raking in the dough, which platform are you going to develop for?

I wish Android or Windws Mobile could do a 3-minute video showing "there's an app for that on us too" to answer Apple's selection. However I don't think they can do it.

the iPhone 3Gs wasn't that huge of an upgrade, so Palm Pre fanatics are still probably satisfied with their purchase. For the people who don't think Apple should release an iPhone every year, why? Two years ago HTC released the Mogul, last year it released th Touch Pro, this year it's releasing the Tuch Pro2. I could provide other phone life cycle examples...

Maybe my post came off wrong. I'm not saying that other phones aren't good. I'm just saying that I like the iPhone.

And GPS is built in. I don't need the TomTom app. I'm happy with Google Maps that's included. So there is no additional cost for GPS usage.

Actually its TomTom that has GPS software already ready (publicly anyways), Garmin is sure to follow or already has something. TomTom is $30 for the software, or 99 for the SD card which includes the maps, but since the iphone has no SD slot, it looks like its 30 for the software and you will have to download the maps at a pay per map (just like it is not on all the HTC winmo phones)

The biggest draw to the iphone is its overall UI and ease of use. Yes you can skin a symbion and Winmo phone, but its a pain.

Android will lose out on number of apps in their marketplace, so they can't compete on size only. But so what if there are 50k apps when 45k of them are cheap knock off clones of other apps, novelty apps, or very niche applications.

Many of the popular apps have similar functioning apps for Android. You also have to remember that Android currently still has only a single phone available and hasn't done the marketing that Apple has done. Additional Android phones are coming later this year to multiple carriers so the number and quality of apps will expand.

I agree with ydoucare, Windows Mobile has all the features of the iPhone minus one very important feature that secured my decision in never buying an iPhone - no remote "kill switch" in the WM OS. Many WM devices have: bluetooth, GPS, wifi, 3G+, ect.1) My HTC Fuze lasts about 6 hours without needing a charge. That's with 3G on.
2) »forum.xda-developers.com ··· hp?f=260 I'm sure in that 500 pages of apps you can find something you like. First off lets clarify some facts because it seems you are sugar coating the truth. According to wikipedia:

Windows Mobile:

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Some current estimates suggest that 80% of the 50 million Windows Mobile devices made have been built by one contract manufacturing group, HTC, which makes handsets as for several major companies under their brands, as well as under its own brand.

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The company sold 3.8 million iPhone 3G units in the second quarter of fiscal 2009, ending March 2009, totaling 21.4 million iPhones sold to date.

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To answer your question: Windows Mobile.

If you wanted to be technical we can add in iPod Touch, but I can't find any sales numbers for that. Can someone pull those up?Name an application that the iPhone that you think that the WM platform doesn't have, I am sure someone here can pull it up for you. Please don't say the "I am rich" app either.This is a fallacy but I don't which one...I will point out why. You are saying that the iPhone 3Gs isn't that big of an upgrade that got release in a year but yet you claim that the other device manufactures do the same thing. Thing is, the new device that the other manufactures release is usually a new design, and new hardware instead of just a new OS. I went from my AT&T Tilt to the HTC Fuze and let me tell you they are radically different, and it is a good comparison because the Tilt is like the Fuze's little brother (according to wikipedia).

To add insult to injury, the Windows Mobile SDK is free. You have to pay for the iPhone SDK.

All of which are shaking in their boots about the iPhone. Numbers dont lie.

They're = they are

Sorry, I'm an iPhone user, lol.

Count how many of those companies advertise during primetime.
Then count how many iPhone commercials you see in the same amount of time.

Hype and advertising are why the iPhone is successful.

The iPhone isn't the only phone with a remote kill switch, so you've got another phone to add to your list. Google's Android also has a remote kill switch, which is actually spelled out in their terms: "Google may discover a product that violates the developer distribution agreement ... in such an instance, Google retains the right to remotely remove those applications from your device at its sole discretion". Both the iPhone and Android kill switches are used to disable specific applications, not your entire phone. Haven't heard of either being used yet.

Also, Windows Mobile is very expensive to develop for, three times more expensive even. It costs $300 write an application for Windows Mobile, plus your bandwidth to distribute your app. The iPhone costs $100 to write an application and bandwidth to distribute is included if your app is accepted. Ad Hoc or Enterprise subscriptions are alternative methods.

On the iPhone, if your app is rejected, however, you're SOL.
Unlike WinMo with its paid hosting. And unlike Android entirely (since you have an App Market *and* can install 3rd party apps).

Why does it cost $300? The SDK is free and the IDE is free, what else do you need? And bandwidth is dirt cheap. Hell for ~84/year I can get all you can eat from bluehost. And my WM app wont ever get taken down.

You must have short term memory loss. I proved you wrong right here: »Re: Windows mobile wins again

To recap. Here's the requirements to write for Windows Mobile:
1) Windows computer running Windows XP SP2 or higher.
2) Visual Studio Standard or higher. $299
3) Windows Mobile SDK. Free.

NOTE: Visual Studio Express is free, but does not support writing for Windows Mobile.

The requires for iPhone are:
1) Mac running OS X 10.5 or higher.
2) iPhone Developer account. $99
3) Xcode. Free.

Ya so your making the argument that Blackberry doesn't advertise? I see one of those about as much as you see a iPhone commercial. At least in my market I do.

Many other companies dont advertise as much because per dollar spent on advertising vs return is not worth it, they cant sell that many because not nearly as many people want it.

Ive never bought a product based on a TV commercial that I can remember anyway. So thats not the only reason those products cant touch the iPhone in sales.

All 4,900 of them. (thats how many BB has for the android).

iPhone has 50,000+ apps and growing.

Thats not true at all. If your app is rejected you have all the opportunities in the world to fix it and re submit it. Apple is very clear in what they say is wrong in the app, and most of the time they even tell you how to fix it.

You know everyone bashes the iPhone for simple things it didn't have, but yet they don't give it credit for things it does/has that no other phone still has or does even remotely well.

And features that other phones have started putting in that the iPhone perfected are complete shit. The touch screen for example, there are only 2 other phones besides the iphone that have decent touch screens (G1/Pre) all other touch screen phones flat out suck because there screen is total shit.

Even the G1/Pre haven't matched the iPhone on its touch screen.

And everyone please SHUT THE FUCK UP about the camera. I am so sick of the "oh its only got 3MP my 2 year old camera has 5MP, or 8MP" yea and it still takes shitty pictures. Anyone with half a brain knows the MP rating doesn't really matter.

If you don't want to submit your application to Apple and want to retain control over distribution just like WinMo, then sign up for an Enterprise developer account for $300, the same price as Visual Studio Standard. Then you don't submit anything to Apple, you distribute your app yourself through your own internal "store", and you can centrally manage it.

All the benefits of WinMo just went away.

And, regardless of how your Android app is distributed, the remote kill switch will still kill it. So saying you can install 3rd party apps means absolutely nothing, because the same rules apply.

As long as you're a well connected musician who can affect sales, absolutely it's not an issue.Like what? What does the iphone have that no other phone has or does remotely well? Again, I hear this from the fanbois, but other than making them feel better in their hearts, there's not much to it.Unfortunately, resistive touch screen requirement is an issue with *WinMo*. The reason other touchscreen phones sucked is because they were all winmo and were resistive touch.

I can give Apple credit for pushing for change on this front.I disagree, but that's just me.Ok then. How about "it's a shitty quality camera"? Make you feel better in your tummy? You can get better quality cameras at higher megapixels than Apple. For a multimedia phone, that's a stupid move.

Says who? Last I checked, the remote kill-switch refers to apps from the market - identical to the AppStore. Has no effect on 3rd party apps.
For an example, look at some of the tethering apps. Some of them have been removed by Google from the Market. None of them have been removed from any devices.

Not true. I'm an iPhone developer. And I have had my apps approved and rejected. And apple has been 100% clear on why the app was rejected 100% of the time with me. They even gave me a link to there documentation on how to fix what ever the problem was.

Lookiing forward to seeing that happen, but even with the knockoffs etc. I'd say that closer to 50% of the iPhone's application selection are worthwhile. Out of that, maybe 50% are niche apps, but that still leaves more applications than the other platforms, possibly combined, for people to use.

There's also the marketing machine. People on oter platforms have to hunt for good apps. n the iPhone, there's one store, and they'll promote some apps on TV. Big win for developers and users.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather Android be the leader here, but it isn't. Android will come to Sprint, iphone won't. But the fact remains that the iphone OS is now the most heavily developed mobile OS out there, and people will make buying decisions based on that.

At times I do forget things, I must have missed it in the post tracker thing on DSLR, but making personal attacks does not help your argument.

Sorry, I was under the impression you could indeed write WM apps using the express editions. It wasn't any concern for me because since I am attending college I get all their software for free (legally). You are right on that matter and I can't find anything that says otherwise.
However, your first comparison is a little unopen minded. You don't NEED Windows to compile MSVS applications. Since VS IDE is just a front end to its command line tools, there is nothing that says you can't compile it in Linux using Wine. Granted, yes, it may not be perfect (or even work), but if we are going to nitpick then we should look at all possibilities.
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And if we are going to be specific, you might as well add another point for iPhone development - You need an actual Mac computer. Because, as much as I disagree with the TOS they say that can only install Mac OS on an Apple computer which will usually cost you even more.

And hey you know while I am still here, Microsoft has released eVB6 and eVC++ as freeware which is older than dirt, yes, but its free.
eVC++: »www.microsoft.com/downlo ··· ylang=en
As far as eVB...its buried somewhere on the internet as it seems Microsoft doesn't want people to have it, and who can blame them but this tutorial does reference it and I have used it in the past:
»www.developerfusion.com/ ··· l-basic/

A few things here:

1. I own an HTC Touch Pro. Upgraded from an HTC Mogul. Got teh mogul before the iphone and guess what, I use the Touch Pro every day.
2. You DON'T have to pay for the iPhone SDK. You DO have to pay to get an app into the app store. Two different things, thugh you're right if you're saying that the cost to develop an app is more on the iPhone. Since you have to buy a mac to use the iPhone dev tools.
3. The iPhone brought the smartphone market mainstream. This is from a person who has been using Palm products for years and whose main phone runs Windows Mobile. I've seen plenty of people with smartphones before the iPhone and after, but many people have iPhones who wuldn't have a smartphone if it were not for that device.
4. 40 million iPhone OS devices in the world or more, saith Apple at the WWDC yesterday.
5. The 3Gs has a few upgrades in it as wel. Pretty significant ones actually. HSPA 7.2 (the older iPhone didn't have HSUPA). Built-in compass. 3.2 megapixel camera with AF and video. Faster processor. Not earth-shattering but a decent upgrade. Plus the older iPhones get some perks, with the 3G getting stereo Bluetooth and MMS.
6. I know about the upgrade coolness of HTC's next-gen devices. Though they seem to be taking some cues from the iPhone...a good thing but not to be overlooked. I like my Touch Pro much better than the Mogul. There are a lot of upgrades in there, though I can't name real new features vs. the newest Mogul firmware. Just a big design overhaul and TouchFlo.
7. There are apps out there that will do on WM what the apps do on iPhones, except for games like Trism where there's a single dev making something creative and who chooses their mobile platform judiciously. The iphone App Store provides lots f eyeballs for applications, so more get made. You might even see your app on TV ds. Try that with WinMo.
8. Battery life wise, 6 hours is pathetic. My laptop lasts that long. The iphone will last a day or two. If your phone can't survive two days on a charge with your usage pattern, the manufacturer should fix that problem. My Touch pro certainly can't, and it's the one thing that drives me mad about that phone and, to a lesser extent, my Mogul (it had better battery life than the Touch pro has).

I'm not saying that the iPhone is flat-out better than any other phone out there. If it was so much better than I'd be paying triple my current phone bill for service with AT&T on the device. Each devices has its strengths and weaknesses. However you see more iPods than Zunes out in the regular public, and you see more iPhones than BlackBerries, HTCs etc.

Maybe we should make a site 'Why WinMo" doing a point by point rundown of why you don't need an iphone to get the job done, whatever that job might be. Would probably save people money, get them better coverage, etc. Because right now Apple is gaining economies of scale because their hype machine is marketing a decent (though not stellar) product with a good UI. So devs follow and voila, you've got a huge market share, whether the product is crap or not.

You want to use BlueHost to host a WinMo app? C'mon, use a CDN...for that $4 you could get maybe 100GB of high quality bandwidth that's n par with Apple's Akamai stuff.

My Touch pro's touch screen, while not the brightest thing in the world, is great, especially considering it's resistive. Maybe my iphone is getting long in the tooth, but its touch screen isn't so hot these days.

On the camera, the new 3.2MP unit in the iPhone fixes the problem that plagues older iPhones: a crappy camera. Not horrible, just crappy, with fixed focus and no adjustments available. My Touch pro has a 3.2MP AF cmaera, which is fine, though colors are lacking in saturation. If I wanted a camera I'd use my $80 Kodak EasyShare Z1275...12 freaking megapixels. Though I wish my Olympus C 5050 came in a small modern package with an SD card slot and fast focus...the pictures that cam takes really are stellar.