http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22844674 en Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:05:48 EDT Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:05:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22964899 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22964899 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:29:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22964680
Et un autre monsieur "je sais tout"... Ah pis ça vaut même pas la peine de continuer à argumenter. Case closed for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22964680 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:44:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22959532 said by sibisties8:

J'imagine que c'est pour ... Est-ce qu'une telle explication mérite vraiment qu'on s'y arrête?

Your last post -of the same vintage- doesn't deserve more attention either.

What a waste of bandwidth... :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22959532 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:26:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22959044 said by GyBear:

I'd still love to hear sound technical arguments to explain the limit, instead of personal opinions on why there must be a limit or on what constitutes legitimate or reasonable use of the Internet (in the twisted eye of the poster). Re-lis mon premier post. C'est pour éviter de GASPILLER des adresses IP. Elles se font de plus en plus rares et lorsqu'un ISP désire acheter un subnet supplémentaire, il doit justifier le tout... Et logiquement, 1 client = 1 IP.

T'as pas besoin de plus qu'un IP. Si tel est le cas, soit t'as besoin d'un accès affaire ou t'as besoin d'un cours "NAT For Dummies".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22959044 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:49:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22956678
As if I needed YOU to know about DHCP...

Moreover, I'm not pretending to have answers, but merely asking questions. And I understand they could be embarrassing to people your kind. So, like an unswerving videotron shill is instructed to, you're attacking me personally. And, of course anonymously.

Yeah, good boy. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22956678 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:59:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22956341 said by GyBear:

I'd still love to hear sound technical arguments to explain the limit, instead of personal opinions on why there must be a limit or on what constitutes legitimate or reasonable use of the Internet (in the twisted eye of the poster).
The answer is easy, this is because of how DHCP work.

IP addresse are leases. Normal leases are 24 hours (most of DHCP server are configured like this, including Videotron). This mean everytime you ask an IP to this DHCP, if it accepts, this IP is bind to you MAC for 24 hours, no matter what happen after. If you change you MAC, the DHCP will think you are a new client and give a new lease. Unfortunatly, it won't revoke the old lease because it can't know your are the same one as the previous MAC.

This mean, everytime you changed your MAC you get a new IP but the preivous IP are still assign to you. Limits are just to make sure a client don't have multples leases and suck massive amounts of IPs.

About the sticky IP, all DHCP client will ask for a a DHCP renew, not new DHCP leases. Unless the previous IP is not available, you will always get the same IP. This is not because of Videotron or anything like that. If you don't have a permanent client (like being conencted directly in modem and close you computer often) your IP will change often. If you have a router, since the router will always ask ofr a lease renew and the IP will always be available (unless some DHCP change), you will always get the same IP.

I'm sorry to tell you that Mr GyBear, but you don't know anything about DHCP, so stop pretending you have answers.

You should read this before arguing : »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dy ··· Protocol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22956341 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:12:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22956244
All arguments presented above are worthless since, limit (on the number of different addresses) or not, one can only use ONE IP addy at the time, which is the only limit that needs to be enforced.

Everybody will recognize in the above posts a few of the favourite tactics taught at videotron.

One is FUD, scaring people, then presenting themselves as their saviour.

Another is never ever bothering to -or most probably not being unable to- offer any justification other than "WE know what's good for you, dummy".

The missing one: Invoking SS security to mask incompetence (And help it fester insine the company).

Incidentally, all the above experts seem to agree that videotron uses sticky IPs (They normally stay the same). For one to change would then require an action on the part of videotron. Therefore, not keeping the same IP is more expensive. That's why, in typical videotron fashion, they charge more for a permanent IP address.

Funny how the argument about preserving precious IP addies was not repeated. Could it be because videotron indeed wastes them instead?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22956244 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:43:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22955521 said by GyBear:

Now, videotron has a proven record of interfering with their customers' lives or business and sticking their nose in places they shouldn't. An internet user who uses his connection normally has no need to change IP addresses several times per day. While I was with Videotron, I typically kept my IP addresses for 3-18 MONTHS.

As gilles and others said, there are very few legitimate reasons to force an IP address change other than evading attacks on your current address. Using IP address changes to evade bans will eventually force the remote server's administrator (nothing to do with your ISP) to ban your whole IP block or even your whole ISP using reverse-dns.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22955521 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:19:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22955456
3 or 4 per day is enough why the hell would anybody need more - I have kept my same IP for the last several years !

There are 2 common reasons why people want to change their IP.

1) Evade bans!
2) They are under attacks by hackers, excessive port scanners, ping flooders, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22955456 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:38:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22954873
Now, videotron has a proven record of interfering with their customers' lives or business and sticking their nose in places they shouldn't.

Because of SSecurity, and only to protect them, of course.

I'd still love to hear sound technical arguments to explain the limit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22954873 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:03:09 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22954725
People were merely pointing out that the reason why a limit was imposed to begin with was to prevent excessive abuse where a kiddie script could use dozens if not hundreds of IP to infect networks, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22954725 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:28:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22954681
Secondly, IP V4 addys may indeed be scarce, but I can only laugh when some videotron brown nose is invoking such reason when they are themselves wasting IPs by the ton.

Four is probably arbitrary, but why reserve more than one IP per customer? No poster properly answered that question. In fact, your IP almost never changes, so I suspect that from a technical point of view one fixed IP does make more sense.

Of course, I do realize that they cannot allow that if they want to gouge more money from you: Last time I checked, a fixed IP was an extra $60/month.

To the OP: Try using 00-00-00-00-00-01 (2,3 or 4) as your modem MAC, then call Tech (no)support to complain you can't access the Internet. You'll have a laugh listening to their explanations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22954681 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:18:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22853097
Si tu regardes dans ton routeur tu va voir pour combien de temps encore ton IP est actif avant de s'auto renouveller. Je pense que la lease est de 24 heures à la fois.

Oui effectivement - d'abbord tu fait un RELEASE de ton IP à partir de ton routeur - ensuite tu utilises la fonction CLONE MAC et change une des valeurs comme tu le veux - sauvegarde - ensuite fait un reset de ton modem (bien important) lorsque ton modem à fini de syncroniser, tu vas allez faire un "RENEW" à partir de ton routeur et le tour est joué.

Pour ce qui est des abuseurs qui évade les bans des serveurs jeu - c'est plate en tabarnak ça - car certains admins en ont plein le cass et vont faire un ban Class C IP donc tout le monde du ISP est banni pour la range de IP donné]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22853097 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:27:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22851972
C'est tellement trop souvent abusé les IPs dynamiques (pour détourner les bans sur un serveur de jeu, irc web...) par des chieurs...

C'est bien sûr pas le cas cette fois, mais voilà heureusement que ça existe... ca devrait être pareil partout.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22851972 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:38:29 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22847024
La quantité d'adresses IP disponible est en effet une des principales raisons pourquoi il y a des limites de ce genre, et certains fournisseurs sont beaucoup plus sévère (mon ancien fournisseur n'allouait qu'un seul bail; tu changes de MAC et tu attends!).

Mais bon, pourquoi pas 3 ou 5 ou 10? C'est une limite plus ou moins arbitraire qui peut limiter les dégats possibles tout en laissant du jeu pour des changements raisonnables.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22847024 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:45:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22845753
Pourquoi ? J'imagine que c'est pour éviter qu'un script-kiddie se mette à poller le serveur DHCP avec plein d'adresses MAC bidons. Les adresses IP étant rares, le serveur épuiserait rapidement toute sa banque !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22845753 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:03:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22844674
J'ai essayé de resetter le modem, mais j'ai pas de MTA donc le truc de le laisser débrancher le modem est pas applicable. J'ai lu qu'en changenant l'adresse MAC du router tu vas avoir un nouvel IP.

Je trouvais ça cool comme concept faque je me suis essayé, jusqu'à ce que le modem ne veule plus me donner de IP... j'ai appelé le service technique, ils m'ont donné le dernier MAC sur lequel le modem bloquait (je faisais ça pas mal random, je me rappelais pas c'était quoi) et là ça a fonctionné.

Par curiosité pourquoi est-ce qu'il y a une limite? Le mec a dit que c'est 4 par jour (mais je préfère confirmé avec quelqun ici) mais je voix pas l'utilité?

En tout cas c'était un Québécois qui parlait bien parfaitement français ET anglais et quand j'ai demandé le niveau 2 il savait de quoi je parlais et est allé tout de suite... très compétent, ça m'arrive pas souvent! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Limite-dadresses-MAC-par-jour-22844674 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:00:17 EDT