Topic 'Re: Keep the Dream Alive' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157671 en Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:03:23 EDT Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:03:23 EDT Re: Don't forget http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Dont-forget-23159138 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Dont-forget-23159138 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:25:21 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23159086 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23159086 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:17:31 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23159047 said by 88615298:

said by jmn1207:

As has been mentioned numerous times before, if the consumer has no other options, our backlash won't mean a thing. If all of the major players make the move at the same time, what are we going to do about it?
It's simple if all I can do is basic web browsing then I don't need 20 Mbps. So I'll bump it down to 1 Mbps and my ISP can lose $600 a year. If just 1% does that then my ISP( Charter ) would lose $24 million a year. Which is a lot for them. So no I don't think they'll go bill by the byte. So yes even with "no other options" people can do things to show displeasure.
And, just like they did with TV programming, the basic tier got a huge price increase and a bunch of channels were added to justify it, and now there is no longer an option for a simple, low-cost solution for cable TV viewing. What we will end up with is something like a 50/5 package for everyone, with a high starting base cost, ridiculous overage charges, and even higher priced per-byte tiers for anyone in the above average usage camp. There is no price competition, for the most part, and these conglomerates have focused their efforts on a quasi-contest over features.

It's going to be a tough fight for us, and we are going to need some honest, caring people at the top to help. Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult for honest, caring people to make it to the top.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23159047 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:09:51 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158904 said by jmn1207:

As has been mentioned numerous times before, if the consumer has no other options, our backlash won't mean a thing. If all of the major players make the move at the same time, what are we going to do about it?
It's simple if all I can do is basic web browsing then I don't need 20 Mbps. So I'll bump it down to 1 Mbps and my ISP can lose $600 a year. If just 1% does that then my ISP( Charter ) would lose $24 million a year. Which is a lot for them. So no I don't think they'll go bill by the byte. So yes even with "no other options" people can do things to show displeasure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158904 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:47:14 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158859 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158859 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:40:01 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158843 said by jmn1207:

As has been mentioned numerous times before, if the consumer has no other options, our backlash won't mean a thing. If all of the major players make the move at the same time, what are we going to do about it?
Do what I did, start your own ISP with no bill-per-byte. The only problem though is that people with that kind of knowledge don't want to drop out of a $200/hour jobs to do it; too much of a pay cut for them.
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but the reality is that the amount of people who would disconnect would not be enough to change the companies decision, the only reason time warner backed off was because of competition, if the entire industry moves at once, even in just a geographic area, we're stuck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158736 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:19:28 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158691 said by jmn1207:

As has been mentioned numerous times before, if the consumer has no other options, our backlash won't mean a thing. If all of the major players make the move at the same time, what are we going to do about it?
Try to get the local DA with aspirations to higher office to do racketeering investigations?

The point that the article tries to make is that, people are going to tend to cut back on their usage in a metered environment. While this reduces network load, it will also make it so that income projections based on current usage levels will be pointless. It will also make forecastable revenues impossible (something that investors HATE). It will also incur significant cost structures in managing a fluid billing system and providing the resources necessary for customers to manage their usage in an informed fashion.

And, yes, if customers are not given the tools to regulate their own use, then it is a bit unjustified to expect people to be liable for overages.
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YUP GO FOR IT I SAY, lets make North America a bunch a retarded twits.
that has already happened.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Dont-forget-23158354 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:11:01 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158268 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158268 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:56:25 EDT Don't forget http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Dont-forget-23158231
YUP GO FOR IT I SAY, lets make North America a bunch a retarded twits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Dont-forget-23158231 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:49:29 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158007
But the reality of the situation is that with the lack of competition in broadband, people will get angry, but there won't be any other viable options and a lot of users will never hit the cap and hence won't be affected so they won't complain.

I myself really have no choice, it's either cable or dsl and dsl doesn't provide enough bandwidth for my netflix HD streaming dsl to my apartment is limited to 1.5mb/s so if cablevision went to per-byte I'd have to live with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23158007 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:13:21 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157909 said by jmn1207:

Unfortunately, per-byte-billing, as will certainly be implemented by the industry, offers higher profits while stifling innovation.
Not if enough customers do what I'd do: cancel their service. Yeah, I can make good use of broadband and the convenience of having the connection to my home--if I'm not "limited"... but I don't need it. I can get by just fine with the occasional trip to my local library or bookstore or coffee shop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157909 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:58:11 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157846 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157846 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:48:21 EDT Re: Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157790 said by jmn1207:

Unfortunately, per-byte-billing, as will certainly be implemented by the industry, Then when they find how how much backlash they are going to get off of it will abandon it within 6 months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157790 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:42:40 EDT Keep the Dream Alive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157671 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Keep-the-Dream-Alive-23157671 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:25:24 EDT