mr weather
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Re: [Serious] Will you be getting the H1N1 Vaccination? Why or WI don't know. There are a awful lot of city-owned buildings (community centres, arenas) that could have been used to set up vaccination clinics. In the case of Toronto on the first day there were two (or three) sites for 2.5 million people. Are you kidding me? With the increased media coverage (don't get me started on that) the powers that be should have realized they weren't prepared for the impending onslaught and adjusted their plan accordingly. Seems like they learned very little from the SARS episode.  |
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 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
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Anav
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2009-Nov-3 9:32 am
Concur, an arena "out of the weather" with organized sections, could have been used as an example. I think its fair to say they underestimated the size of the hysteria. Nothing constructive comes now with placing blame and pointing fingers but consider this a dry run for the real thing and thus the lessons learned should be fruitful. Lets move forward. |
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 dirtyjeffer0Posers don't use avatars.
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said by mr weather:I don't know. There are a awful lot of city-owned buildings (community centres, arenas) that could have been used to set up vaccination clinics. the lack of facilities isn't the issue, it is the lack of supply of the vaccine that is...had they had 50 million doses, they could have distributed it everywhere and all doctors offices and clinics would be able to do it...the lack of supply has caused the problem, which can't really be blamed on anyone...you can only make the stuff so fast, and it wasn't approved and created until the final days. |
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said by dirtyjeffer0:the lack of facilities isn't the issue, it is the lack of supply of the vaccine that is...had they had 50 million doses, they could have distributed it everywhere and all doctors offices and clinics would be able to do it...the lack of supply has caused the problem That's absolutely evidenced in practices and hospitals displaying signs stating the few groups of people that can receive these vaccinations until more information is provided to them (hopefully) by next month. |
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 Stewy6
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said by mr weather:It's turned into one massive clusterfcuk. The leadership has failed at all levels of government. What were you expecting, they are politicians, they're not even qualified to tie their own shoes let alone manage a "mild" medical pandemic. The thing that scares me the most is not the current flu but how politicians would manage a real crisis. |
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 MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
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Children between 6 months and up to 10 years of age require 2 half doses of adjuvanted vaccine. The Interval between doses should be a minimum of 21 days That's pretty easy to understand, it's not 2 full shots. It's 1 shot in a half dose in under 21 days, to allow a higher immune response. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
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Anav
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2009-Nov-3 1:56 pm
Good point, two half doses of 15, were just as effective as two full doses of 30. Don't understand the physiology persay, but tis interesting. In general I wonder if allowing the body practice in fighting viruses etc, by fevers (increasing body heat to kill them off) is an important part of building body defenses. Or is there no benefit and simply risk?? |
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 digitalfuturSees More Than Shown
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There's no surge capacity in the system, so it's impossible for even a fraction of the population to all get a flu shot at the same time. The rollout was based on past experience of anticipated demand. Now that the intial frenzy has abated and the rollout better organized, huge line-ups have disappeared. People die of the flu every year, and the mortality rate of H1N1 is no worse. But, because of a couple of tragic deaths that were exploited by the media, too many people thought they'd die too without the shot, and rushed to get one; the medical equivalent of playing a single slot machine because it just paid out the jackpot. Edit: Here's an example of how to do it right. » www.thestar.com/comment/ ··· e/720035 |
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Stewy6
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It's nice to see that those with money and power can get the shot  » www.thestar.com/news/can ··· ic-waitsCALGARY – Members of the Calgary Flames and their families scored swine flu shots at a special clinic as thousands of Albertans waited in line for the vaccine or were turned away. Ken King, president of the NHL club, says the players and their families received their shots on Friday at a private location. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
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said by digitalfutur:There's no surge capacity in the system, so it's impossible for even a fraction of the population to all get a flu shot at the same time. The rollout was based on past experience of anticipated demand. Now that the intial frenzy has abated and the rollout better organized, huge line-ups have disappeared. People die of the flu every year, and the mortality rate of H1N1 is no worse. But, because of a couple of tragic deaths that were exploited by the media, too many people thought they'd die too without the shot, and rushed to get one; the medical equivalent of playing a single slot machine because it just paid out the jackpot. Edit: Here's an example of how to do it right. » www.thestar.com/comment/ ··· e/720035 Actually I believe H1N1 is far milder and significantly less deadly than seasonal flu, unless you sources saying otherwise?? |
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Noname9
join:2009-09-04
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If you have about an hour you should listen to interview with Russell Blaylock. Very interesting what he is saying. » products.mercola.com/swi ··· 1103.htm |
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Stewy6
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Stewy6
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2009-Nov-3 4:31 pm
LOL I am actually listening to this when I read your post  |
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said by Noname9: Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff called the government incompetent during an emergency swine-flu debate in the House of Commons on Monday night. He said the government had released confusing information about the H1N1 vaccine which is “a source of enormous anxiety among Canadian families.” Ignatieff accusing the standing government of releasing a mixed message, he should try reading his own press releases once and a while.  The government doesn't make it, they also don't inject it, that responsibility falls to the provincial heath system which in turn expects the region health care systems to do their work for them. The real question is why did GlaxoSmithKline produce less then expected this week, and why they have continued to over estimate their own production numbers. Simply saying "we made less then we thought we would" sounds awfully ignorant coming from a "for profit" corporation. |
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Noname9
join:2009-09-04
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To get more people to get the shot. The more people panic the more other people who didn't think they wanted the shot would get one. Before a boy died in Ontario hardly anyone wanted the swine flu vaccine but after this boy died that quickly changed.
Cause fear and get people to panic and they won't think clearly and do think what's right even though it could be wrong. The flu vaccine wasn't properly tested in the first place so yes the Ontario government has some responsibility. Slowly more and more people will change their mind and want the vaccine.
Funny I got some lecture the other day that telling me to get the swine flu vaccine, that's from the "Public Health Agency of Canada". You are telling me they are not suggesting it?
For me no thanks, I'll get my vitamin D and eat healthy. |
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So the media is driving the hype, each province is heading in a different direction or walking in circles, and the opposition is using it for their own agenda, on that I agree.
On the topic of the media orifice, they certainly haven't gone out of their way as to describe what "high risks" groups should get a shot, and which groups where allowed to get it, but by god did they pump the hell out of "but if you happen to be in line you can get it". Because of this the people that would have benefited the most didn't get it, and those that might have wanted it (but had low risk) eagerly displaced them in the cue. H1N1 seems to be fatal to people under 30, (slightly more so to females), yet many of the people lining up where double that age.
As for the rest, well good luck with that, depending on your age, health, the risk of the Flu or H1N1 might be low. No one is going to drag you out into the street and inject you. |
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Stewy6
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2009-Nov-3 5:41 pm
said by Thane_Bitter:H1N1 seems to be fatal to people under 30 buff... all flu like illness is potentially fatal for anyone with underlying conditions, but all we hear about is people dying of H1N1 but with absolutely no data or science on the underlying conditions, no medical records, no pathology reports. It's a one sided misguided science and showcasing of media. BTW eventually there will be a death associated with the vaccine but watch out when that time comes, the underlying medical conditions will come out full force as the cause of death. If you have H1N1 and underlying conditions, you die of H1N1 If you have the vaccine and underlying conditions you die of the underlying conditions. |
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Noname9
join:2009-09-04
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The media also put a lot of hype about the number people that died of the swine flu. If they are hyping about everything else they are probably hyping about the number of deaths.
Why weren't people panicking last year? More people died of the flu last year than this year so far. Even with the elevated numbers.
Everyone has their own responsibility for their health if you choose to get it fine I am not going to worry or get upset about it. I am here simply to educate people. I question everything. You have to wonder why at least half the doctors and nurses refuse to get the swine flu shot. These people are the professionals.
I wish your family luck because they will sure need it. |
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Stewy6
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2009-Nov-3 5:55 pm
said by Noname9:The media also put a lot of hype about the number people that died of the swine flu. If they are hyping about everything else they are probably hyping about the number of deaths. Why weren't people panicking last year? More people died of the flu last year than this year so far. Even with the elevated numbers. Canada in the last few years recorded between 2000 and 4000 flu deaths per year, that's about on average 10 per day. We get one H1N1 death and we have it showcased all over the news. Where are all the 10 per day H3N2 deaths ??? Wake up everyone. |
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join:2001-03-22
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said by digitalfutur:There's no surge capacity in the system, so it's impossible for even a fraction of the population to all get a flu shot at the same time. The rollout was based on past experience of anticipated demand. Now that the intial frenzy has abated and the rollout better organized, huge line-ups have disappeared. I walked into my GP's office this afternoon and got my shot (priority group category) in about 10 minutes. The Family Health Team is offering shots to priority groups. No lineup there, either. |
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Noname9
join:2009-09-04
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said by Stewy6:said by Noname9:The media also put a lot of hype about the number people that died of the swine flu. If they are hyping about everything else they are probably hyping about the number of deaths. Why weren't people panicking last year? More people died of the flu last year than this year so far. Even with the elevated numbers. Canada in the last few years recorded between 2000 and 4000 flu deaths per year, that's about on average 10 per day. We get one H1N1 death and we have it showcased all over the news. Where are all the 10 per day H3N2 deaths ??? More than likely the media will claim there's more swine flu death when it's really the regular flu. You think people are confused now wait til later. Even with the swine flu shot they were still be scared of getting sick. The worst thing you can do is stress over stupid crap like this. I am more likely to die in a traffic accident. Wake up everyone. |
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said by Anav:Actually I believe H1N1 is far milder and significantly less deadly than seasonal flu, unless you sources saying otherwise?? Doesn't seem entirely mild in a 16 year old family member that had it here in Niagara. Was on IV, oxygen and had to have some other kind of nasty sounding stuff done... confirmed case of H1N1 picked up from a friend at school. |
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Noname9
join:2009-09-04
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You're only referring to one case. Many people had it with mild symptoms. People are trained to focus on the very negative. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
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Sorry urban, of course I mean statistically speaking (relevance in the large scheme of things) not to detract from the scare and sorrow that the few do experience. |
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said by Noname9:You're only referring to one case. Many people had it with mild symptoms. People are trained to focus on the very negative. Yes, troll, one case out of the one person I know that had or had it. So far 1 for 1 of extreme sickness in H1N1. You're good with the glaringly obvious... now if only you'd actually kept up with the threads concerning this discussion, you'd see I'm not focused on the "very negative" and almost sided with you on another of your silly posts. I'm only relaying my first experience knowing someone with it, and it was a really bad one, which was surprising to me knowing how healthy she lives. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
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Anav
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2009-Nov-3 7:54 pm
Did it attack the persons lungs as I heard when its viralent it really is nasty. |
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I personally know 9 people who had it - fellow college students - and only one of the 9 even was "bed ridden" - the other 8 just said they had general body aches and headache and fever that made them feel crappy for 36-48 hours. The other said they had more severe body aches that felt like they had worked out wayyy too hard for 4 days in a row - all their limbs felt very heavy - and their fever was causing pretty bad chills - so they stayed in bed under blankets. So - there's 9 cases that were quite mild to moderate. |
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Yea, no doubt most people are mild or cold-like, but from the person related that had it, and from what I hear from others whose family members had it, it seems a little more severe than the regular flu. I was downplaying the media hype out of skepticism as well, earlier.
I'm still not getting the vaccine, but I'm not looking forward to getting H1N1... or any other flu, thank you. |
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mr weather
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How did the rest of the immediate family members fair? Did they get it too? How severe?
Sounds like H1N1 is behaving similarly to traditional influenza with the exception that it's doing to young (presumably healthy) persons that traditional flu does to elderly/health-compromised individuals.
The HR director at my workplace said her daughter caught it recently was out of commission for 10 days. She never ended up in hospital but it really knocked her down. |
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Noname9
join:2009-09-04
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Don't get your panties in a knot really. If that's that obvious people wouldn't get the swine flu shot. I don't expect people to take sides. You are stating one experience. Funny you never mention the mild symptoms.
Personally attacks are pretty weak. How about you stick with the subject? |
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said by mr weather:How did the rest of the immediate family members fair? Did they get it too? How severe? So far so good, but anxiously preparing for the worst. Interestingly, the hospital staff told the family to ensure that everyone continually wash their hands; however someone brought it to our attention in this (or another similar) thread that it's not passed through contact. Bad advice on their part? said by Noname9:Don't get your panties in a knot really. said by Noname9:Personally attacks are pretty weak. How about you stick with the subject? Good advice. Personally attacks... no good. |
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