Topic '[northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010' in forum 'Verizon FiOS' - dslreports.com

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:12:56 EDT

wolfhouse posted : Well my FIOS just went up $10, which accounts for about 22%... Unbelievable. That's about 30$ up in 2.5 years.
I am on a month-by-month at 10/2. Can't get into a 2-year plan right now. It is getting a little expensive for what it is. Of course Comcast is the exact same price : surprise surprise...

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:06:09 EDT

RSJ posted : Sorry, I didn't even pay attention to the location.

said by FrontirCynic:

Found this on the web today. I assume this is accurate. I wish I could find the west coast pdf and more info on Fios Digital Voice. But you east coast guys you may find this useful. I saved a copy as well and will repost if this gets pulled down

»hdsamplesite.com/job_aid ··· inal.pdf

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:55:02 EDT

jmn1207 posted : I believe that in the NY DMA the Movie Package Ultimate HD, which includes Starz, Encore, and IFC, is part of the Ultimate HD bundle. They basically get everything.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:04:30 EDT

RSJ posted : No, you will not get Starz and will need to add the movie pack for $9.99.

said by REUser :

In the Triple Play Ultimate HD, don't you get all the movie channels?

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:57:18 EDT

thepawn posted : Actually, yeah, it looks like I do...the rep told me I didn't on the phone, but that sheet says I do... guess I'll find out tomorrow when its provisioned? lol

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:31:39 EDT

anon posted : In the Triple Play Ultimate HD, don't you get all the movie channels?

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:49:23 EDT

thepawn posted : I just "downgraded" to UltimateHD.

Preivously:
Double Play Phone
Double Play Extreme HD
Movie Package
50/20 Internet (can't be bundled)
1 HD box and 2 CableCards
$275/mo

Now:
Triple Play Phone
Triple Play Ultimate HD+HBO/Cin (I'm NYDMA)
35/35 Internet
1 HD Box and 2 CableCards
$180/mo

So for losing 15mb of DL, Stars and Encore, I save about $100/mo.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:04:36 EDT

houkouonchi posted :

said by guppy_fish:

said by snoopvelo:

»myspeed.visualware.com/s ··· lax.html

It would be nice if you posted a 35/35 result using that server. I ran from 7 different servers, including the link you posted, they all sucked ... typically 6-10 down, 5-8 up mbs, Then ran the geeksite, solid 25 down, 23 up mps

I haven't seen a speedtest.net, speakeasy or myspeed posted result that could break 20mps on the west coast servers

The L.A. speedtest server si definitely messed up for uploads but I was able to get well over 20 meg to all the rest of the california servers. You should be able to get over 20 meg if you test to my server thats in los angeles:

»ndt.dhspeedtest.com/flash

or:

»ndt.dhspeedtest.com/

(java)
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20/2mb Charter, 18/1.5mb U-verse, 6mb/768k DSL Extreme load balanced for a total of 44/4.2

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:14:07 EDT

snoopvelo posted :

said by Acerone5:

said by snoopvelo:

Is that Wired or Wired less?

It's wired...I am in Los Angeles close to Culver City and Marina Del Rey.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:33:49 EDT

Acerone5 posted :

said by snoopvelo:

Is that Wired or Wired less?

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:16:44 EDT

aaronwt posted : Ultimate HD is the best bundle in that you get the fastest speeds available in a bundle and you get the most HD channels.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:52:23 EDT

anon posted : I just moved into a new condo in California and tried ordering the triple play bundle. Soon thereafter, I found out that they're requiring all new customers to sign a 2 Year Agreement. Also, as for the bundles, is the bundle with the best deal the one with the Extreme HD, 25/25, and phone that they currently have advertised on there website?

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:10:01 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by RSJ:

I must have spoken to a confused CSR guy last night. I currently have the Extreme package nd get all the channels, HBO/Cin/movie package for $30 with 25/15 for the Net. I called mainly to get the higher Internet speed of 35/35. The rep told me that even if I went with the higher package he couldn't add the HBO/Cin/Movie package, but then said there was some way to do it. However, the bottom line was there was no way to add Starz to this package. He then went on about how this setup was dumb on Verizon's part. Does this make sense? Why wouldn't I be able to get a channel I already have, but with a new package? Thanks

Robert

I had the same problem when I called yesterday to get the movies channels lost in the "upgrade" to the Ultimate HD package. Their first reaction was to put me on the Extreme HD package and then add the HBO/Cinemas/Movie package currently running $36. I told her that would drop my internet speeds to 25/25 and she said that the system would not allow her to add HBO, Cinemax, and Starz, only the HBO/Cinemax package (free for 3 mos) to the Ultimate HD tier.

I'm not sure what happened, but she tried to run it through again and it seemed to work. This morning before leaving for work I verified that HBO, Showtime, and Starz/Encore were available. While I did not check my internet speeds to make sure I did not get bumped down to a lower tier, I was able to get Epix, so there is a good chance that I am still in the Ultimate HD plan with 35/35, unless Epix is also included with the National Better middle tier plan.

I saw Starz for $5.99 and HBO/Cinemax at $22.99 before I was updated and locked out of the "My Services" section of the Verizon web site. This would be a cheaper route than paying for the $36 total package that includes unnecessary duplicates, such as Showtime and The Movie Channel already available in my base plan, but it seems to be the only way to get the same channels I was receiving before upgrading to the faster internet speeds.

In a nutshell, trying to keep all of the premium movie channels when stepping up to 35/35 is a problem, and the Verizon support staff does not seem to be able to have the tools to make this happen without doing something funky to manipulate the system.

Edit: Corrected a typo I initially inserted. I actually do have all of the premium movie channels at this time, but I have not checked my speeds to verify whether or not I am still getting 35/35. I will check tonight.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:27:06 EDT

RSJ posted : sorry..should probably have put this in the TV section

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:22:27 EDT

RSJ posted : I must have spoken to a confused CSR guy last night. I currently have the Extreme package nd get all the channels, HBO/Cin/movie package for $30 with 25/15 for the Net. I called mainly to get the higher Internet speed of 35/35. The rep told me that even if I went with the higher package he couldn't add the HBO/Cin/Movie package, but then said there was some way to do it. However, the bottom line was there was no way to add Starz to this package. He then went on about how this setup was dumb on Verizon's part. Does this make sense? Why wouldn't I be able to get a channel I already have, but with a new package? Thanks

Robert

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:17:45 EDT

snoopvelo posted :

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:36:59 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by jmn1207:

Thanks for your help.

I am getting solid upload speeds, and interesting to note that the slowest link in my end-to-end path to the Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility Web100 based Network Diagnostic Tool (NDT) is no longer a 45 Mbps T3, but now a 622 Mbps OC-12. I'm happy.

TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.5.4a
click START to begin

** Starting test 1 of 1 **
Connected to: jlab4.jlab.org -- Using IPv4 address
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
checking for firewalls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client-to-server [C2S]) . . . . . 32.27Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server-to-client [S2C]) . . . . . . 35.89Mb/s
The slowest link in the end-to-end path is a a 622 Mbps OC-12 subnet
[S2C]: Packet queuing detected

click START to re-test

** Starting test 1 of 1 **
Connected to: jlab4.jlab.org -- Using IPv4 address
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
checking for firewalls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client-to-server [C2S]) . . . . . 35.03Mb/s
running 10s inbound test (server-to-client [S2C]) . . . . . . 21.49Mb/s
The slowest link in the end-to-end path is a 45 Mbps T3/DS3 subnet
Information: Other network traffic is congesting the link
[S2C]: Packet queuing

Thanks. I have a new site to test my uploads. I can hit 35mbs uploads from here, but downloads are slow from it.

For me my best test site for up and down is »msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/

With that site I hit between 31mbs and 35mbs down and between 32mbs and 35 mbs up.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:41:08 EDT

jmn1207 posted : Thanks for your help.

I am getting solid upload speeds, and interesting to note that the slowest link in my end-to-end path to the Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility Web100 based Network Diagnostic Tool (NDT) is no longer a 45 Mbps T3, but now a 622 Mbps OC-12. I'm happy.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:57:05 EDT

nycdave posted : Same here - I was only getting around 4.4M from NY....

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:50:26 EDT

jmn1207 posted : Thanks, I'm only seeing 4.5 Mbps. The application might have limitations outside of my control. I was just curious to see how it performed.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:46:25 EDT

UofMiamiGrad posted :

said by jmn1207:

I placed the OOL 512MB test file (test512.txt) into my Opera Unite shared folder.

If anyone has the ability to monitor their speeds while downloading a large file, would you mind testing out my file sharing performance. The link to the file is listed below. Just right click and save. I'm located in Northern Virginia close to Washington DC.

»home.jmn1207.operaunite. ··· content/

I can monitor the upload activity on my side, but I need someone with at least 35 Mbps to max out my upload.

Thanks!

I have the 35/20 package, getting a constant 512-520KB/sec from IE on the DL, FYI!

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:27:44 EDT

jmn1207 posted : I placed the OOL 512MB test file (test512.txt) into my Opera Unite shared folder.

If anyone has the ability to monitor their speeds while downloading a large file, would you mind testing out my file sharing performance. The link to the file is listed below. Just right click and save. I'm located in Northern Virginia close to Washington DC.

»home.jmn1207.operaunite. ··· content/

I can monitor the upload activity on my side, but I need someone with at least 35 Mbps to max out my upload.

Thanks!

Edit: Testing completed, disabling the download link. Thanks!

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:19:54 EDT

Gary A posted :

said by darcilicious:

Did you happen to notice the large difference in the two ping times? Huge latency on yours which can be a factor for speed tests.

Yes, I did... after guppy_fish pointed it out to me :D

The ping times obviously play a big part in in the overall calculation from some of these speed test sites.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:47:18 EDT

eric87m posted : Tried the ispgeeks and NDT tests, still got 25-29mbps up results on 35/35. Doesn't matter though, I uploaded some junk rars to alt.binaries.test and got a consistent 4.5MB/s :)

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:13:49 EDT

darcilicious posted :

said by Gary A:

That was my thought as well - I'm getting the speeds I should be getting, plus the "fluff" on the upload.

Its all good. :)

Still, it makes me wonder why I see other users here post what I'll call "accurate" speed test results from speedtest.net, like this 35/20 user I picked at random from another post:

and mine (25/15) looks awful on the upload:

Did you happen to notice the large difference in the two ping times? Huge latency on yours which can be a factor for speed tests.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:39:57 EDT

UofMiamiGrad posted : Roltec,

Not sure if this helps, since it is for Vista. No idea if it will work for Windows 7.

»support.microsoft.com/kb ··· 06/en-us

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:33:48 EDT

RolteC posted : Would you happen to have the registry files for these changes, specifically I have 35/35. I remember before you could download the file from the site, but after a format, I dont have the file/nor do I find it again.

I ask because the tool wont run, maybe the website is down or messed up right now? After I chose the speed and try to click next, nothing happens.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:13:25 EDT

RolteC posted : Thanks for that information, have not been able to find a clear cut answer like that before.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:09:38 EDT

nycdave posted :

said by RolteC:

This I already knew, but thank you for the explination either way.

Im just trying to figure out how to change the RWIN on windows 7, or any operating system, specifically also on the upload side.

Using speedtests from web100, looking at the details, it shows the upload rwin at like 16000. Thats most of the time, way too small, and now I see why upload results to servers more then 500miles away are usually very low.

There is no RWIN for the upstream - it is the 'Send Window'. The Verizon Speedtest Analysis page will report the 'SendBufferSize' once the speed test has completed. Any value higher than 8192 bytes (Windows default) means the Send Window has been modified. The Verizon Optimizer will set the Send Window to a value of 130680 bytes or higher depending on the selected speed tier. This Send Window setting is also required for Windows Vista and Windows 7 since these 2 OS's do NOT support TCP Autotuning in the upstream (upload) direction - TCP Autotuning in Vista and 7 is only implemented in the downstream (download) direction....This is why the VZ Optimizer needs to be run in order for Vista and Win7 to get full upstream throughput on the higher FiOS speed tiers...

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:22:31 EDT

adowla posted :

said by Gary A

I do get more accurate results at ISPGeeks
»www.ispgeeks.com/wild/mo ··· cityTest

That's interesting, every single other speed test site consistently gives me 25/17 but ISPGeeks alone is consistently giving me 25/24.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:01:11 EDT

RolteC posted : This I already knew, but thank you for the explination either way.

Im just trying to figure out how to change the RWIN on windows 7, or any operating system, specifically also on the upload side.

Using speedtests from web100, looking at the details, it shows the upload rwin at like 16000. Thats most of the time, way too small, and now I see why upload results to servers more then 500miles away are usually very low.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:53:49 EDT

Gary A posted :

said by RolteC:

Actually, most are MUCH slower then that, and the upload almost never goes higher, I wonder why?

I think it goes back to what guppy_fish explained,"...its the way the tests are written, if you look at the ping, the ones getting good reported numbers are sub 15ms pings, thta the difference.

These tests send a data chunk and then waits for the ack, sends some more and averages the data transferred for the reported speed. Longer waits for the ack ( latency ) means lower number on the test.

The Test should be written to stream the data, Geeks uses UDP for this reason to remove the latency handshaking. No how the PC is configured make a difference as well, the larger the buffers the less the acks delay the next data set being sent, thats what the optimizers change in the windows registry."

The ping time from my location to the Tampa (<50mi) speedtest.net server is 89ms. :o The ping time to Cincinnati (~750mi) is less at 57ms and to New York (~1000mi) is also less at 42ms.

I do get more accurate results at ISPGeeks
»www.ispgeeks.com/wild/mo ··· cityTest

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:43:08 EDT

nycdave posted : TCP throughput is most dependent on 2 things - latency and window sizing....The higher the latency, the larger the window sizing needs to be in order for TCP to allow a larger 'chunk' of data to be transmitted without having to pause for an ACK. If the latency is high and the window size is small, the throughput will suffer.

This is the main reason why speed test servers which are very close (usually less than 20ms) always deliver better results than speed test servers farther away.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:25:32 EDT

RolteC posted : Not sure, Im in NY, and I get this to Tampa:

This to NY closeby:

Only thing is, I am using windows 7, and it adjusts the RWIN by itself, and I cant find a way to make it better.

Oh well, not that big of a deal I guess, but it would be nice to have higher speeds across the country.

Actually, most are MUCH slower then that, and the upload almost never goes higher, I wonder why?
From visualware servers:
In Florida Download speed 30393 Kbps
Upload speed 11359 Kbps

In NY It goes over 35000/35000 all the time.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:19:56 EDT

Bill Neilson posted : Man it is never easy seeing you all post your speeds

I max out at 5mb

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:02:54 EDT

guppy_fish posted : Gary, its the way the tests are written, if you look at the ping, the ones getting good reported numbers are sub 15ms pings, thta the difference.

These tests send a data chunk and then waits for the ack, sends some more and averages the data transferred for the reported speed. Longer waits for the ack ( latency ) means lower number on the test.

The Test should be written to stream the data, Geeks uses UDP for this reason to remove the latency handshaking. No how the PC is configured make a difference as well, the larger the buffers the less the acks delay the next data set being sent, thats what the optimizers change in the windows registry

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:44:19 EDT

Gary A posted :

said by rebus9:

said by Gary A:

and mine (25/15) looks awful on the upload:

The Tampa speedtest is on Rapid Systems (rapidsys.com), and I get consistently lousy results from them.

For fun, on the speedtest.net site, choose (of all obscure places...) the Cincinatti server. I get the feeling nobody uses it because I get fairly decent results from it.

OK, here's Cincinnati:

and here's New York:

Both better than Tampa, but still... :huh:

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:38:04 EDT

snoopvelo posted : Got my new speeds nows :)

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:07:37 EDT

rebus9 posted :

said by Gary A:

and mine (25/15) looks awful on the upload:

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:39:24 EDT

Gary A posted :

said by darcilicious:

Besides, why would my speeds be correct on the VZ and IPSGeeks sites and bad on the others?

If you're seeing correct speeds ANYWHERE then you're good.

The primary reasons for differing results across different speed test servers has to do with different software / testing approaches, increasing latency, and test servers that just can't handle the loads.

That was my thought as well - I'm getting the speeds I should be getting, plus the "fluff" on the upload.

Its all good. :)

Still, it makes me wonder why I see other users here post what I'll call "accurate" speed test results from speedtest.net, like this 35/20 user I picked at random from another post:

and mine (25/15) looks awful on the upload:

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:46:14 EDT

aaronwt posted : I'm now reprovisioned for 35/35. I just got 35.9mbs down and 33.8mbs up on my last sped test. Prior to this I could not get over 15mbs up on any speed test.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:28:42 EDT

anon posted : Then there must be some kind of glitch because my neighbor switched to digital voice and the gate did not work. Then switched back to POTS and it worked again.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:21:35 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by More Fiber:

said by jmn1207:

What if you lose power for 16 hours or more?

The gate is not going to be working either.

There could be an actual guard at the gate to let people in and out, if only you could contact them to let them know. I lost power for over 3 days here after a bad wind storm a couple of years ago. The phones worked the whole time that power was out. Just saying.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:52:15 EDT

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:42:29 EDT

jmn1207 posted :

said by guppy_fish:

said by RogerDallas :

They did offer the digital voice to me, but unfortunately the guard access gate in my neighborhood requires an actual land line to operate properly to buzz in guests. Else, I would have taken it.

They were really pushing the option (and trying to sell me on the tax savings), so it must be a larger profit center for them.

FDV is identical to POTS for your gate access ... its functionally identical for alarm, gate, fax ect .... Its nothing but a win for the consumer

What if you lose power for 16 hours or more?

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:42:22 EDT

anon posted : Well I am only getting 14-15 down and 1.5 up on ispgeeks and the myspeed test sites; down from 36 down/27-28 up earlier today after they provisioned me. Seems odd but hopefully it gets corrected.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:29:35 EDT

guppy_fish posted :

FDV is identical to POTS for your gate access ... its functionally identical for alarm, gate, fax ect .... Its nothing but a win for the consumer

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:03:18 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by jmn1207:

said by dmodert66:

That is pretty great. My bundle price essentially stayed the same (or saved a few bucks, but I got rid of some junk like Stars Play)...I did it over the phone at work. I get home and am now getting 35 down consistantly and between 31 and 35 up. Very cool...

Starz/Encore is not too bad for $6/month. I ordered the 35/35 package online very early Sunday morning...still waiting. I refuse to call Verizon unless my router transforms into some evil demigod and tries to take over the world.

I called Sunday also. I'm still waiting too although it does show me having the 35/35 tier on FIOS Central now.

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:20:21 EDT

darcilicious posted :

Besides, why would my speeds be correct on the VZ and IPSGeeks sites and bad on the others?

Re: [northeast] FIOS pricing for 2010

Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:13:00 EDT

Gary A posted :

said by RolteC:

said by Gary A:

said by RolteC:

What kind of OS are you running there? And your router?

WinXP Pro SP3 fully patched with all critical MS updates. Wired to a vanilla VZ Actiontec Rev C, running MoCA.

EDIT: See my profile page for complete configuration details.

Download DrTCP, and make sure for your network adapter you change the Receive window to lets say: 146000

See how speed tests perform after that. Else private message me.

Already done that... no joy.

Besides, why would my speeds be correct on the VZ and IPSGeeks sites and bad on the others?

When I had 10/2, the recommended Receive window was 513920 and I got my rated speed.

Now, at 25/15, the recommended receive window is 1027840 and didn't help with those speed test websites.