Topic 'Re: Solaris 10 License Change' in forum 'Unix and Linux' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24020752 en Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:06:38 EDT Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:06:38 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24418727 Solaris, OpenSolaris, and the Oracle wall of secrecy - 21st June 2010
said by The Register :
None of Oracle's actions (or inaction) could be construed as being proactive about telling the 50,000-strong Solaris customer base – from which Oracle is trying to extract $2bn in profits – what is going on with the platform.
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[about me: Pete Bartolik blogs for IDG on behalf of moreinterop.com from Novell & Microsoft]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24416219 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:27:15 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24336994 said by munky99999:

said by SUMware2:

Migrating from Sun to Novell - 06/03/10

Novell offers to give you free licenses if you switch from Sun/Oracle.
That's kind of a dick move? Dontcha think?
said by NetworkWorld :
Novell has made a great move. Smart move.
Dontcha think?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24336994 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:38:48 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24336898 said by SUMware2:

Migrating from Sun to Novell - 06/03/10

Novell offers to give you free licenses if you switch from Sun/Oracle.
That's kind of a dick move? Dontcha think?
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Novell offers to give you free licenses if you switch from Sun/Oracle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24335981 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:04:47 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24329431 --
Listen...do you smell something?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24329431 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 15:17:46 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24329245 said by boognish:

About a month ago.
Interesting, I got a slightly different feel from the class I took last October.
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The last oracle class I took the instructor was talking about oracle pushing towards Enterprise Linux and Oracles Virtual Machine now. He made it sound as if Solaris isn't really in the picture anymore.
When was that class?
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don't get 2 close 2 my fantasy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24328993 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:14:07 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24325969 said by ropeguru:

I am now just waiting for the killing off of MySQL. Shouldn't be long now.
If you havent noticed... most 3rd parties are bringing in support of other sql servers like postgre or sqlserver. While postgre released a mysql emulation layer.

Jumping ship from mysql has become fairly easy I think. The moment oracle smacks mysql. It'll be forked into "OurSQL"

I think drupal's main pull is its support for many backends. Joomla/wordpress not so much.
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I still to this day say that Sun was setting themselves up for a buy out even when I was there.

Oracle will kill the brand from the inside out. The only thing they will keep is the procs and big iron servers. Those are what half the worlds major companies run on. The other big thing is that linux is no longer being produced for the older big iron, at least in many build sys admins are used to. This will kill Oracles Sun arm very fast.

I really got away from Solaris because Oracle. This little clause just makes me feel better about my choice.

But I still have aSun rack with the scsi storage array at a business where it just sits and has never been used. I might have to pick it up and get it on ebay before the contract lapses on it.
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This seems to be hyperbole. I can't imagine a shop that relies heavily on Solaris dropping it because of this.
Running Solaris is still much cheaper than running Redhat.
Not really.

Support pricing in a lot of cases has doubled for larger servers. And it's not optional. And it starts the day the server ships, rather than in-service date. And if you let it lapse, you pay a huge premium to get it back (i.e. retire a server, put it back in service...)

All of these things happen at large shops, and it's really causing some of Sun's largest customers to look at reducing their dependency on Oracle.

My personal target platform of choice is HP Integrity, but I've got a vested interest. :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24241690 Fri, 14 May 2010 10:27:04 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24241130
»techbert.tumblr.com/post ··· ownloads]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24241130 Fri, 14 May 2010 08:30:00 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24238532 said by TuxRaiderPen:

Well that feels like an "Oracle" move. Then again, I would not run Solaris without a contract. If that's the case, just use OpenSolaris.

I'm not sure this only applies to Solaris itself.

I just posted a new topic here today about trying to download a OBP PROM for a Blade 150.

The current Sun/Oracle page tells me that I'm not entitled to download the PROM without a service contract, despite having a Sunsolve account.

I've had a few Sun boxes over the years, didn't use 'em as much as I hoped. So I found a decent deal on the Blade the other day in a silicon-valley surplus store, and took it home, since I still want to learn more about the Sun way of doing things.

Now I find they are going to make it impractical to use the device, even though in many ways a generic PC running Linux is far more practical for most people.

This is what companies like Cisco and Juniper do, making you pay a massive amount of money to update buggy code on an old piece of hardware. That might even work when you are talking about "enterprise networking" equipment that only a real geek has an interest in, but a desktop workstation?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. All this does is make me even more inclined to avoid anything that company has anything to do with, now or ever more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24238532 Thu, 13 May 2010 17:14:13 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24041000 Running Solaris is still much cheaper than running Redhat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24041000 Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:18:13 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24033081 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24033081 Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:32:49 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24029812 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24029812 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:55:44 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24029451
I guess they are doing it to save money. Yes, their Solaris subscriptions have declined, but OpenSolaris have been slowly increasing. I guess they'll be shifting development to OpenSolaris, cutting operational cost on Solaris.

I never really liked it though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24029451 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:49:49 EDT Re: Solaris 10 License Change http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solaris-10-License-Change-24026403 said by nwrickert:

The problem with this is that today's desktop user will tomorrow be ordering servers. And what he/she is familiar and comfortable with on the desktop will greatly influence the choice of server.
Eh. I'm not rolling out OS-X server anytime soon...
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Oracle seems to be continuing the mistake that Sun made for many years. They are orienting toward the server market, and ignoring the desktop user.

The problem with this is that today's desktop user will tomorrow be ordering servers. And what he/she is familiar and comfortable with on the desktop will greatly influence the choice of server.
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March 26, 2010 -
said by Savio Rodrigues :
License change leaves Sun Solaris users at a crossroads

Oracle's decision to limit Solaris 10's free usage to 90 days could be a boon for Linux vendors

Recent changes to Solaris licensing could further encourage Solaris 10 users to consider Linux -- and result in fewer new users considering Solaris at all. If you're a Solaris customer, don't overlook this license change.

How it used to be -- and what Oracle has changed
The ... Sun Solaris 10 license as it was offered back in May 2005:
Obtaining an Entitlement Document is simple. On the Solaris 10 Get It page, select the platform and format you desire from the drop-down menus, and then click the Download Solaris 10 button. When you arrive at the Sun Download Center, either sign in or register, ensuring that a valid e-mail address is part of your Sun Download Center account to receive the Entitlement Document. Fill out the Solaris download survey, specifying the number of systems on which you are installing the software. Once you have completed the survey, you will be redirected to the Solaris 10 download page for downloading, and your Entitlement Document will be sent to your registered e-mail address.


Simply put, register with a valid email address, download Sun Solaris 10, and receive an Entitlement Document to use Sun Solaris 10 without support and for as long as you wish. The terms and conditions were unchanged until at least June 2008...

Now, with its acquisition of Sun finalized, it seems that Oracle has appended this sentence to the license paragraph above:
Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software.


On the surface, this new license has little impact on existing paying customers of Sun Solaris 10. However, in reality, limiting the number of potential users and customers in the Sun Solaris ecosystem can't be viewed as a positive outcome.

IDC's estimates indicate that Sun Solaris revenue has declined at about 10 percent annually from 2006 to 2008. The 2009 data, due out this summer, will likely continue this negative trend. Over the same period, Linux, and its poster child vendor, Red Hat, has grown at least 15 percent plus range annually.

With this data in hand, you might expect Oracle to encourage Sun Solaris usage; a 90-day trial hardly does that.
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