Bell Canada → Petition for HSE.

Please post your 2 cents on what HSE is doing with the downloading. If we get enough, we can make a petition and e-mail it to Sympatico. Post your thoughts, and what you will do if you are not satisfied.

I think the cap should not be in place, and we should get our money worth. OR ELSE WERE GOIN ON STRIKE, CANCELLING OUR SERVICE AND HEADIN ON DOWN TO DIAL UP AND WATCH BELL HSE GOOO BANKRUPT...

Yep ! Ul/Dl restriction is a real no-no and just plain greedy on the part of Bell. So is capping ! Never will I pay one cent more for the service, which works pretty well, xcept the super-crappy upload speed (130k - call that hi speed he he ??).

We'll need 1000's of posts since they have over 500,000 HSE users. It's worth a shot.
5 gig is junk, especially when you work from home and I don't do video or internet radio.

Could we not complain to the Better Business Bureau, consumer watch groups, the CRTC even ?? they are just wanting to make a buck on our backs and keeping the shareholders happy... Worse thing is that there are only 2 providers of hi-speed here (videotron & Bell) so there's not much competition. Now we'll even have to pay to download all that junk mail that hits our m-boxes !!! This is really the pits, man.

!!RANT ALERT !!

HELL NO to caps!! Not paying for a restricted service when it's not necessary for them to restrict it. They are only doing this because the cable co's are and Bell figures they can get some fast cash this way. Besides 5 Gb is ludicrous, nope if they impose a cap limit I'll be taking my HSE, my long distance, and my cell account somewhere else. There are alternatives available and I wouldn't even give them the pleasure of going back to dial up, hell no, I may even cancel my phone service with them and just use the cell. I don't use the phone that much anyway. That's a total of $120.00 plus per month just from me. If 10,000 of their 500,000 subs, which works out to be 5%, do that they face loosing $1,200,000.00 per month. They might just sit up and take notice. Shit you don't think the cable co's are noticing that they are hurting from the people going to dish and are even looking at price reductions of their basic service to keep customer retention. I think Bell should seriously ask themselves if this is a necessary move.

Pardon my Rant this morning it's cold and I needed to warm up before going off to work.

Chromac

Their a is site on net is just for petition of all kinds are thinking of using of those.
But i think petition will get us no where remember port filtering so can only use smtp1.sympatio.ca and all that had voice strong words against it and Sympatico still did knowing most of their users did no want this.
Sympatico is copycat Rogers on DSL whatever they do Sympatico just to pretend they have clue(managment that is).
I am all petition idea it worth a try.

Mysterio

I created a poll, that may be easier then lengthy threads. We can just get all the votes and present that. Also anything we post on DSLR belongs to them so we'd have to get their permission before "taking" it.
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Great idea Bob.

I wasn't sure how it would go over, I didn't want it to come across like I was taking away from any one else ideas or from traffic on DSLR. But I do have to say my forums have been busy since. I posted it in a couple different boards where we are all discussing exactly this. We already have more votes then responces in this thread so hopefully it will keep building.
»www.carricksolutions.com ··· =8;t=104

I sent this thread's url and Bob's petition site's url to +- 50 people so i hope we can get some action
am also sending to my MP in Ottawa -- -
all members of these forums should encourage their friends to do the same
it is pretty hard to buck ma bell and the rest but we have to try.

pbyk knows what a cap is like. Remember your old Bell reseller? For those who don't know, they charged for going over 3gig down and 1 gig up.

a correction is needed to the Kinguni's last remark
from my former ISP's agreement
25. Termination and Account Suspension. This Service Agreement may be terminated by you upon notice to Your Service Provider. Your Service Provider may suspend or restrict the Service, at any time without notice, or terminate the Service Agreement if:
(i) the operations or efficiency of the Service is impaired by the use of your Account or the Service (a data transfer total of 1.5 Gig per month is acceptable, additional data transfer will be charged at $1.00 per 100 Mb); or
(ii) any amount is past due from you to Your Service Provider; or
(iii) there has been or is any breach of any term or condition of this Service Agreement.
In the event of an Account suspension for any of the above reasons, a service charge (in the amount of $175.00) will be applied to your Account. If there is or has been an inadvertent misuse of your Account which impairs the operations or efficiency of the Service, Your Service Provider reserves the right to suspend your Account until the problem has been corrected, without any reduction in your rate for the Service. If your Account is suspended and the outstanding problem has not been resolved within 30 days from your last bill date, the Service may be disconnected. If so, the applicable installation fee will apply if you wish to resume your subscription to the Service.

Your Service Provider shall have no responsibility to notify any third party providers of services, merchandise or information of such termination or suspension. Any termination of this Service Agreement shall not relieve you from any amounts owing or other liability accruing hereunder prior to the time that such termination becomes effective
MY over time charges were = to the monthly rental charges -get a stop watch - fire up your radio and netstat live and you will see your flow rates and it dont take high school math to figger out whether you are going to meet the cap

Been a while. I didn't think the cap was that low! Unbelievable really.

Have also sent appropriate complaints. Bell has been notified that ALL business dealings with "Doc Watson" will be cancelled with implimentation of cap. Link provided is for CRTC. »www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM ··· p?lang=E

Sad things is while everyone is ranting about bandwith limit now when push come to shove most of you will just accept and stay silent.Remember again the whole thing about smtp port filtering a while back eveyone said we should do something to convince Sympaico that it was bad idea.
Not even half these people voice their opinion.
I know about a few that did but was not enough for BCE consider it.
When will guys figure any effort as to be team effort you can just we are going to do something then in back of your mind say "no need for me to do anything myself someone else will fight my battles for me".
Either make a team effort or just accept it instead of complaining.
I have always voice my miscontent at Sympatico and so have others but few of us do.
If it's only hand full of us like doc waston this will go nowhere like many other issues in past.

Sorry if sound a bit like prik it's not my intention but just get that of my chess.

Regards,

Mysterio

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This is totally different man, this is based on how much you are able to download in TOTAL!!! I barely use the sympatico email. Email is the least I worry about.

That's not the point!
As said my previous message it time for real action on everyone part for them even consider take us seriously.
It cannot just pe a few of us.
An online petition that every HSE user can sign can be setup with these guys
»www.petitiononline.com/p ··· ion.html

As so called forum petition will get laughed at if anything else.
Sorry Bob Carrick it's good idea just the whole forum petition i do not think would be taken seriously by them.
Sorry i do not mean to offend even if sound like i do.

Mysterio

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No it's not a petition just a poll. At least to get some attention that people are pissed about it. If we want a real petition we should have a lawyer draft one up.

Sorry my mistake
What do you think of the online petition idea for starters?

Regards,

Mysterio
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I think the reason we have had more response on the voting poll then in a thread is people are scared to attach their names to it, which is what you must do with a real petition. If the poll goes well then the next step is of course a petition.

Should you need any help let me know.

I can understand people being scared to put theirs names on a petition but i have done it past i am still here.

Mysterio

Will do. I pretty confident that I will put time and effort in this if we get enough votes to justify moving to the next step, 100 votes would be enough for me to move it forward but really we need thousands of votes.

Capping? Isn't it already capped? 1000kb down, 120 kb up? If Bell is lowering the download and upload, then I'll sign the petition! Are they putting a cap on how much we download/upload too?

B.

No they are capping the amount of data we can download a month. 5Gig a month and ten dollars more on your bill for every gig over that. In my opinion that is worse then lowering the speed.

A 5 gig cap will mean I finally leave HSE. I put up with their B.S. during the slowdowns in Sept./Oct./Nov. 2001. Where do I sign?

Right now it's just a vote you need to do: »www.carricksolutions.com ··· =8;t=104

I use HSE to do my research work at home, 5GB/mth is nowhere near enough!

i thought this was supposed to be "unlimited" internet access. i signed up for less than a month and now you're telling me it's not going to be unlimited anymore? you can't just advertise "unlimitied" access in commercials, infomercials, bill boards and magazines then completley turn on your customers as soon as they sign up. i'm outraged at this situation. if a cap is imposed, you will lose many customers, including me. 5GB on a 960/128kilobit connection is a joke.

I've posted this elsewhere:

Ok...this sounds bad. But let's remember a few things first. My first reaction is that this will apply to new customers only. None of the Bell companies (Mobility, Canada, ExpressVu,etc..) has EVER taken something away from existing customers. If any of those companies ever terminated a plan or service, or even changed rates like ExpressVu and Sympatico both did recently, it only affected new subs. The only loop is when you move. Usually a grandfathered program stays in effect only if you don't change anything on your account. So I'm guessing our HSE will stay the same until we move or disconnect or whatever. Then we won't be able to get back what we have now. Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but maybe I'm right too. I do know that a 5gb cap sucks, and it will slow down high speed growth. And that's funny since BCE says that internet convergances with existing technologies (ie: ExpressVu or Mobility) is it's main focus.
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