Topic 'Re: Petition for HSE.' in forum 'Bell Canada' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2408529 en Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:19:34 EDT Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:19:34 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2755036 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2755036 Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:06:08 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2753259 and they have the audaucity to think of restricting/capping data flow -- they already have it at given times of the day - and coincidently with Bob's petition starting shortly after is when my problems started :)
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ken]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2753259 Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:15:58 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2751694 said by DKS:
said by alcapb:
Well, it's all already been said. Crappy relilability, can't log on, AND THEN; AND THEN they capt the speed with G.lite. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


Relax. A speed cap is unlikely. More likely is "metered use" aka your hydro or gas bill. Something has to give. The current model is unsustainable.

Well...is that nice or what? May I know what for we are paying? Let's see....10$ Modem location (and I can't buy the damn modem) plus 30 $ the service (I mean connection Internet).
Bandwith? What the hell this has to do with bandwith?
What is the use of a high speed connection if you have a metered use or a cap limit? (BTW...do you really think there is a difference between metered use and cap limit?).

Anyway....metered use or cap limit...I'll go back to my 56K modem before some1 could say Ouch!

And between us....5Gigs cap? I dwld that in max 9 days on a 56 K modem...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2751694 Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:20:59 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2751565 said by alcapb:
Well, it's all already been said. Crappy relilability, can't log on, AND THEN; AND THEN they capt the speed with G.lite. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


Relax. A speed cap is unlikely. More likely is "metered use" aka your hydro or gas bill. Something has to give. The current model is unsustainable.
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Bell HSE user by default...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2751565 Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:45:17 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2750379 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2750379 Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:39:11 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2421680 A mass e-mail should be done to the members on Feb. 28th, and a letter via Canada Post explaining the situation sent to members currently exceeding the 5GB limit.

Sympatico members will be able to view their online usage via the self care centre..."
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Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2421680 Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:48:01 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2421637 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2421637 Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:42:09 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2421303
Dial up may just be on the Horizon once again.

Oh yeah! Regarding the stats….What is the percentage of users that barely use the Flippin thing!

Sorry..but just my two cents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2421303 Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:52:19 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2420463 said by bobbyzee:
Yes I'm sure the users running Morpheus, Bearshare etc, transferring gigs a day had nothing to do with their decision. The cap sucks but it's the people who transferred 24/7 that helped them make it.


When 8% of customers grab 50% of the bandwidth (according to sysadmins I know who buy their service from Bell and resell it), then something has to give...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2420463 Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:46:36 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2420046 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2420046 Wed, 06 Feb 2002 01:58:51 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2419725 said by gemino:
But what puts them to this situation is not the users, but HSE's small minded business managers and planners.

Yes I'm sure the users running Morpheus, Bearshare etc, transferring gigs a day had nothing to do with their decision. The cap sucks but it's the people who transferred 24/7 that helped them make it.
In any case you can send them an email complaining about the cap with this link.
»www1.sympatico.ca/help/l ··· ell.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2419725 Wed, 06 Feb 2002 00:53:48 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2418830
5Gig/month will not be enough for me, but I'm sure they'll have other pricings for 10G/month or even 25G/month, just like the business packages.
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"Why is it that we rejoice at birth and grieve at a funeral? It is because we are not the person involved." Mark Twain (1835 - 1910).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2418830 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:09:42 EDT Re: GRILL THEM ALL!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-GRILL-THEM-ALL-2418037 --
Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-GRILL-THEM-ALL-2418037 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:09:56 EDT GRILL THEM ALL!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/GRILL-THEM-ALL-2417972 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/GRILL-THEM-ALL-2417972 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:05:00 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2417659 I would sign in a minute!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2417659 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:34:12 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2417408 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2417408 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:08:27 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2417227
Ok...this sounds bad. But let's remember a few things first. My first reaction is that this will apply to new customers only. None of the Bell companies (Mobility, Canada, ExpressVu,etc..) has EVER taken something away from existing customers. If any of those companies ever terminated a plan or service, or even changed rates like ExpressVu and Sympatico both did recently, it only affected new subs. The only loop is when you move. Usually a grandfathered program stays in effect only if you don't change anything on your account. So I'm guessing our HSE will stay the same until we move or disconnect or whatever. Then we won't be able to get back what we have now. Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but maybe I'm right too. I do know that a 5gb cap sucks, and it will slow down high speed growth. And that's funny since BCE says that internet convergances with existing technologies (ie: ExpressVu or Mobility) is it's main focus.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2417227 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:50:23 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2416530 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2416530 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:42:02 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2416513 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2416513 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:40:05 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2415315 www.carricksolutions.com ··· =8;t=104]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2415315 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:47:33 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414769 --
i yam what i yam.....attributed to some merchant seaman.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414769 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:49:24 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414670 --
Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414670 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:39:10 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414621
B.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414621 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:34:45 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414331 --
Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414331 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:06:11 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414105
I can understand people being scared to put theirs names on a petition but i have done it past i am still here.

Mysterio :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414105 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:41:22 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414079 --
Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2414079 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:37:59 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413973 What do you think of the online petition idea for starters?

Regards,

Mysterio :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413973 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:25:35 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413839 --
Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413839 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:10:28 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413691 As said my previous message it time for real action on everyone part for them even consider take us seriously.
It cannot just pe a few of us.
An online petition that every HSE user can sign can be setup with these guys
»www.petitiononline.com/p ··· on.html

As so called forum petition will get laughed at if anything else.
Sorry Bob Carrick it's good idea just the whole forum petition i do not think would be taken seriously by them.
Sorry i do not mean to offend even if sound like i do.

Mysterio :)


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- MAU108]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413589 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 14:36:21 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413492 Not even half these people voice their opinion.
I know about a few that did but was not enough for BCE consider it.
When will guys figure any effort as to be team effort you can just we are going to do something then in back of your mind say "no need for me to do anything myself someone else will fight my battles for me".
Either make a team effort or just accept it instead of complaining.
I have always voice my miscontent at Sympatico and so have others but few of us do.
If it's only hand full of us like doc waston this will go nowhere like many other issues in past.

Sorry if sound a bit like prik it's not my intention but just get that of my chess.

Regards,

Mysterio :)


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2413492 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 14:23:50 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412633 www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM ··· p?lang=E]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412633 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 12:14:35 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412505 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412505 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:54:46 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412451 from my former ISP's agreement
25. Termination and Account Suspension. This Service Agreement may be terminated by you upon notice to Your Service Provider. Your Service Provider may suspend or restrict the Service, at any time without notice, or terminate the Service Agreement if:
(i) the operations or efficiency of the Service is impaired by the use of your Account or the Service (a data transfer total of 1.5 Gig per month is acceptable, additional data transfer will be charged at $1.00 per 100 Mb); or
(ii) any amount is past due from you to Your Service Provider; or
(iii) there has been or is any breach of any term or condition of this Service Agreement.
In the event of an Account suspension for any of the above reasons, a service charge (in the amount of $175.00) will be applied to your Account. If there is or has been an inadvertent misuse of your Account which impairs the operations or efficiency of the Service, Your Service Provider reserves the right to suspend your Account until the problem has been corrected, without any reduction in your rate for the Service. If your Account is suspended and the outstanding problem has not been resolved within 30 days from your last bill date, the Service may be disconnected. If so, the applicable installation fee will apply if you wish to resume your subscription to the Service.

Your Service Provider shall have no responsibility to notify any third party providers of services, merchandise or information of such termination or suspension. Any termination of this Service Agreement shall not relieve you from any amounts owing or other liability accruing hereunder prior to the time that such termination becomes effective
MY over time charges were = to the monthly rental charges -get a stop watch - fire up your radio and netstat live and you will see your flow rates and it dont take high school math to figger out whether you are going to meet the cap :)
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share your knowledge, the wheel has been reinvented enough times:)
ken]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412451 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:48:02 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412140 --
Join Team Starfire SETI@Home. Help us stomp Team Anandtech!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412140 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:02:56 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412100 am also sending to my MP in Ottawa -- -
all members of these forums should encourage their friends to do the same
it is pretty hard to buck ma bell and the rest but we have to try.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2412100 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:58:38 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2411837 »www.carricksolutions.com ··· =8;t=104
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Bob -- »www.carricksolutions.com - The largest PPPoE Help Website, including EnterNet, WinPoet, MacPoet, Access Manager, RASPPPoE, & Networking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2411295 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:49:19 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2411106 But i think petition will get us no where remember port filtering so can only use smtp1.sympatio.ca and all that had voice strong words against it and Sympatico still did knowing most of their users did no want this.
Sympatico is copycat Rogers on DSL whatever they do Sympatico just to pretend they have clue(managment that is).
I am all petition idea it worth a try.

Mysterio :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2411106 Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:05:58 EDT Re: Petition for HSE. aka RANT ALERT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-aka-RANT-ALERT-2411085
HELL NO to caps!! Not paying for a restricted service when it's not necessary for them to restrict it. They are only doing this because the cable co's are and Bell figures they can get some fast cash this way. Besides 5 Gb is ludicrous, nope if they impose a cap limit I'll be taking my HSE, my long distance, and my cell account somewhere else. There are alternatives available and I wouldn't even give them the pleasure of going back to dial up, hell no, I may even cancel my phone service with them and just use the cell. I don't use the phone that much anyway. That's a total of $120.00 plus per month just from me. If 10,000 of their 500,000 subs, which works out to be 5%, do that they face loosing $1,200,000.00 per month. They might just sit up and take notice. Shit you don't think the cable co's are noticing that they are hurting from the people going to dish and are even looking at price reductions of their basic service to keep customer retention. I think Bell should seriously ask themselves if this is a necessary move.

Pardon my Rant this morning it's cold and I needed to warm up before going off to work.

Chromac
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- MAU108]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Petition-for-HSE-2408543 Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:12:20 EDT Petition for HSE. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Petition-for-HSE-2408529 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Petition-for-HSE-2408529 Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:10:53 EDT