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Re: Verizon 4G, whats the point? (just announced pricing)said by Lamiel:said by ruraltn:I don't think those caps/prices are going to be able to stand up to the reality of what will happen. As soon as their users start running into the caps a few days into the months, there will be a revolt.
If you advertise streaming video on cell phones on your network, you are going to have to deliver it at an affordable price point or face consumer outrage.
It will be interesting to watch.
I wish I could believe that Verizon would respond to consumer pressure, but they've never done so before. The caps they placed on 3G data plans became onerous and obsolete as soon as the smartphone revolution happened (a revolution they spurred on with their aggressive Droid marketing), but despite complaints and bad press over some ridiculous overage charges certain folks incurred, they never budged an inch; nor did they bother to increase their network's capacity in order to mitigate the heavy usage they encouraged. It's very frustrating. All their hype over the increased capacity of LTE, and now it's just the same old story all over again. It's often said that cellular broadband was never intended as a replacement for landline service, and that may be very true, but it doesn't have to be that way. If they would invest the necessary money and resources in their network, wireless as a cable/dsl substitute could be a viable business model. Why not restrict "4G" to data cards and leave the smartphones on 3G? I think that would go a long way towards relieving the potential strain on their backhaul. Who needs a 12 Mbps downstream on a phone anyway? Oh well... So much for all the speculation that Verizon planned to swoop in on Frontier with LTE in order to take back the subscribers they lost in the sale of their Midwest markets, eh? It's simply called the evolution of wireless.. Phone's do the same thing, by the logic that data today is "good" enough we would still be on TDMA or Analog with CSD. The point of evolving to 4G (which the US doesn't have 4G at all and won't till LTE advanced or WiMax 2 comes.) is for better spectral efficiency demands and better overall QOS for the entire network. VZW's 3G network is dated and is in time for a replacement, I have a Droid X and get about 1mbps which is OK but on my G2 with HSPA 14.4 my speed's surfing are so much faster and streaming video is so much better as well, 1-2mbps is ok for a phone but it's not enough for todays average data user when other carriers have 5+ mbps. My Droid X  vs. my T-Mobile G2  You can guess which one run's better. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 5:26 am · (locked) |
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How are you achieving 10.4 on a cell phone? And why hasnt the MBB incorporated that software into a wireless internet device yet. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 7:58 am · (locked) |
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said by Bosgarage57:How are you achieving 10.4 on a cell phone? And why hasnt the MBB incorporated that software into a wireless internet device yet.
Because the HTC G2 on T-Mobile is capable of achieving 14.4mb/s theoretically, my data stick hit's more than that  And another thing with this is I hit a continuous 8-10mb/s on T-Mobile's 3G network and people with Clearwire/Sprint supposed 4G are thinking that 6-7mbps is so great. T-Mobile has 3 metro area's in Alabama covered with HSPA+, how many does Sprint have 4G? NONE, VZW will pretty much blanket Alabama with LTE by the end of "11. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 8:10 am · (locked) |
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so can you turn your G2 into a mobile hotspot and use it with your computer? Thats interesting to say the least and good for you! Wish I could hit even 3 mbps. It says I can get 4g in the city next to me (about 30 miles) guess theirs no way I'd be able to benefit for it is there. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 8:24 am · (locked) |
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said by Bosgarage57:----
It says I can get 4g in the city next to me (about 30 miles) guess theirs no way I'd be able to benefit for it is there.
Who has 4G up and running in Knoxville? I presume that's what you mean by the city next to you. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 8:42 am · (locked) |
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Yes and it says t-mobile does. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 8:50 am · (locked) |
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Thanks. Looks like it's the core area only, and not much 3G beyond that. Most of their "network" in the greater Knoxville area appears to actually be free roaming on AT&T sites. AT&T's non-3G sites in my area are so sluggish that SpeedTest.net won't even run. They suck so bad it can't be measured.  |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 9:18 am · (locked) |
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said by ruraltn:Thanks. Looks like it's the core area only, and not much 3G beyond that. Most of their "network" in the greater Knoxville area appears to actually be free roaming on AT&T sites.
AT&T's non-3G sites in my area are so sluggish that SpeedTest.net won't even run. They suck so bad it can't be measured.
Tis' why i ditched AT&T for Verizon |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 4:39 pm · (locked) |
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said by Bosgarage57:so can you turn your G2 into a mobile hotspot and use it with your computer? Thats interesting to say the least and good for you! Wish I could hit even 3 mbps. It says I can get 4g in the city next to me (about 30 miles) guess theirs no way I'd be able to benefit for it is there.
Yep, $15 a month for tethering through the internal WiFi hotspot feature. But I used to live in Sevierville and visit frequently and if you go up into the mountain's a lot then Verizon Wireless is the service provider to stick with because T-Mobile drop's out completely and so does AT&T when you head towards the mountain's. It's great in the city though, pretty much every major city T-Mobile has 3G and some HSPA+ "4G", but that's why I use Verizon Wireless as my main phone provider and for my family and T-Mobile as more of my urban data phone. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 4:43 pm · (locked) |
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hey that's cool you use to live in sevierville! Of course I live way out and can't get good intrrnet so I'm stuck with mbb. That's the reason I bought the palm pre+ is for the free 5gb mobile hotspot. That's for all the info. Hopefully they'll get some lte rolled out sooner rather than later. |
· actions · 2010-Dec-2 9:28 pm · (locked) |
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said by iLive4Fusion: It's simply called the evolution of wireless.. Phone's do the same thing, by the logic that data today is "good" enough we would still be on TDMA or Analog with CSD. The point of evolving to 4G (which the US doesn't have 4G at all and won't till LTE advanced or WiMax 2 comes.) is for better spectral efficiency demands and better overall QOS for the entire network. VZW's 3G network is dated and is in time for a replacement, I have a Droid X and get about 1mbps which is OK but on my G2 with HSPA 14.4 my speed's surfing are so much faster and streaming video is so much better as well, 1-2mbps is ok for a phone but it's not enough for todays average data user when other carriers have 5+ mbps.
My Droid X
vs. my T-Mobile G2 
You can guess which one run's better.
I'm all for progress, but I think with the rate at which the carriers are pushing their services, progress is turning into a trainwreck. With the level of congestion we're seeing, it would perhaps be more appropriate for the carriers to doll out this smartphone super-speed more judiciously. I have a data plan for my home internet and another for my Android phone, and I find high speeds much more useful when I'm working on my desktop than when I'm browsing from my phone. It wouldn't hurt me or anyone else to put up with 3G speeds on my phone until the next-gen wireless networks are firmly in place and equipped to deal with the amount of traffic that's on it's way. Just my two cents though! |
· actions · 2010-Dec-4 11:21 am · (locked) |
