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<description><![CDATA[Mashiki posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1049050" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1049050');">Kitlope</a>:</said><p>No, its called an election looming. How many more votes will Harper get if he become the hero? </p></div>Really?  People said that a year/ year and a half ago too.  I expect the current government to be in power at least another 2 years.<br><br>That's not really a looming election, nor will it be a central policy issue except for the small parties, or ones who need it as a serious talking point to get the 'youth vote' more involved.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[JGROCKY posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1542094" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1542094');">Vomio</a>:</said><p>I just clicked on Stop the Meter to check on the progress and got the overload page and form.<br><br>Methinks the citizens are still restless.<br> </p></div>Yeah....  Steve and I were talking a few hours ago when it dropped....  Suspect he may be getting attacked.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[JGROCKY posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1591150" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1591150');">otty</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1493204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1493204');">justsomeguy8</a>:</said><p>Ya i hope you don't try to take credit for this.<br> </p></div>I'm not gonna take a CNOC vs. public side on this, but anon user WIKILEAKS did post in another thread that his gov''t source implied the minister already had a comment written up and altered it due to JF's submission/public outcry.<br><br>Maybe CNOC's "plans" before JF's submission were the behind the scenes lobbying that caused the earlier version of the government's response?<br><br>We'll likely never know.<br> </p></div>No comment!   :huh:<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.<br><br>Authorized TSI employee ( &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/teksavvy">TekSavvy FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/14672#14672">Official support in the forum</A> )<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Vomio posted : I just clicked on Stop the Meter to check on the progress and got the overload page and form.<br><br>Methinks the citizens are still restless.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kitlope posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR> It's government listening to people, when people have said: "hey, your NGA that's supposed to provide proper oversight is screwing people, and screwing them hard."<br><br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>No, its called an election looming. How many more votes will Harper get if he become the hero?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1429986" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1429986');">shikotee</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1562893" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1562893');">MrX4000</a>:</said><p>Don't think its his petition .... it'll get rejected .... but it did it's job !! He should be given a freakin medal for it ;)<br> </p></div>Not to take the wind out of the sails of JF's accomplishments, but there have been various factors that have brought us to this outcome. But most importantly, now is not the time to hand out medals, as this means absolutely nothing - the war is still being waged, so don't pop any bottles of champagno just yet!<br> </p></div>QFT.<br><br>As others have already mentioned earlier in this this thread. There is much work to be done.<br><br>EQ<br><small>--<br>"I'll fix you like Kennedy fixed the 1960 election!" -- Richard Nixon's Head</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Lightwave posted : Whip the Universities, Colleges and High school students into a Freedom Frenzy... They love a good protest!, and all will oppose restrictions placed on their abilities to self educate, research, social networking etc... UBB, the burden placed on students and their limited financial resources will definitely translate into restricted resources in their educational endeavors<br><small>--<br>Wireless without Limits</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1429986" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1429986');">shikotee</a>:</said><p>Not to take the wind out of the sails of JF's accomplishments, but there have been various factors that have brought us to this outcome. But most importantly, now is not the time to hand out medals, as this means absolutely nothing - the war is still being waged, so don't pop any bottles of champagno just yet!<br><br>If anything, everyone needs to double their efforts on spreading both the word and information. The worst thing that could happen is that people become complacent.<br><br>In politics, it is standard fair to make such statements, for the sole purpose of calming things down. The hope is that with time, different things can happen, where possibly something bigger can come and take control of the news cycle.<br><br>With that said, I do find it interesting that the beginning of March is the deadline, as this will be just before the budget gets delivered. As such, it could very well play out that Harper would go against UBB, as he would no doubt like to get UBB concerned Canadians on his side. He can then push a less than favourable budget, and if the opposition defeats him on it, he can both blame the opposition for forcing the election.<br><br>In any case - I'm not a mind reader. I maintain though - we need to keep pushing harder and harder.<br> </p></div>you are right. we have to find ways to make more an more noise. you never know what these ppl think]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[B_Sandiford posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by TimN :</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1771396" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1771396');">B_Sandiford</a>:</said><p> </p></div>What the heck!!???<br>Are you telling us that now CNOC wants to take credit for this outcome??!!<br><br>Look, whatever you are smoking, please pass it on because it is a mighty strong stuff!!!<br> </p></div>Nope, thats not what I am saying at all.<br><br>The outcome has been achieved as the result of many MANY moving parts, including but not limited to:<br><br>1.  Election concerns<br>2.  JF's petition<br>3.  Ninja's<br>4.  Media attention<br>5.  Timing<br><br>and most importantly<br><br>6.  The 272,000+ (and growing) people that signed the petition at &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.stopthemeter.ca/" >www.stopthemeter.ca/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Semaphore posted : Let him know how the CRTC has done so well to represent working class Canadians. <br><br>email him at: pm@pm.gc.ca<br><br>He'll be as just happy as Minister Tony Clement was when he got 250,000 email in his inbox in 7 days.<br><br>S]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[B_Sandiford posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by wikileaks :</said><p>indeed, the first draft of the press release said "Clement will be launching a formal review of Usage Based Billing", and that was replaced with the "I am aware of a petition filed by a market participant" section.<br> </p></div><!-- 25418768  HASH(0xa38ec88)   --><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=96% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=MIDDLE COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/25418768?c=1623200&ret=64urlL2ZvcnVtL3IyNTQxODE3OC54bWw"><IMG class="apic" id="p15963" BORDER=0 TITLE="300578 bytes" SRC="/r0/download/1623200.thumb600~b567989c54a403f7d4d65ea9ab4abd25/ninja1.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[corster posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1373147" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1373147');">ancodia</a>:</said><p>I think we need to start pushing for von finkclestink to resign.  <br><br>no more von fincklestink!<br> </p></div>The sad thing is I thought KvF was a good choice, at the time.<br><small>--<br>Ontario can lead again - Tim Hudak in 2011<br>Save Canadian Internet - StopUBB.ca</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ancodia posted : I think we need to start pushing for von finkclestink to resign.  <br><br>no more von fincklestink!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1771396" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1771396');">B_Sandiford</a>:</said><p> </p></div>What the heck!!???<br>Are you telling us that now CNOC wants to take credit for this outcome??!!<br><br>Look, whatever you are smoking, please pass it on because it is a mighty strong stuff!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[otty posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1493204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1493204');">justsomeguy8</a>:</said><p>Ya i hope you don't try to take credit for this.<br> </p></div>I'm not gonna take a CNOC vs. public side on this, but anon user WIKILEAKS did post in another thread that his gov''t source implied the minister already had a comment written up and altered it due to JF's submission/public outcry.<br><br>Maybe CNOC's "plans" before JF's submission were the behind the scenes lobbying that caused the earlier version of the government's response?<br><br>We'll likely never know.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[tonytoronto posted :  One reading that NDP letter seems like they did all this... huh? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Lightwave posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1045102" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1045102');">Ssseth</a>:</said><p>The news keeps getting better and better. This must be what it felt like to be a hippie in the 60's. Well way more nerdy and with a lot less drugs.<br><br>Power to the people, viva la revolution!<br> </p></div>Yeah.. but then it was a lot more entertaining back then too! (oops.. did I just say that out loud?) ;)<br><small>--<br>Wireless without Limits</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[otty posted : At this stage I really think that the extent of what we get will depend on the noise we can make. Gotta make the whole idea smell bad to EVERYONE. <br><br>It should.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mashiki posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1045102" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1045102');">Ssseth</a>:</said><p>The news keeps getting better and better. This must be what it felt like to be a hippie in the 60's. Well way more nerdy and with a lot less drugs.<br><br>Power to the people, viva la revolution!<br> </p></div>There's no revolution here.  It's government listening to people, when people have said: "hey, your NGA that's supposed to provide proper oversight is screwing people, and screwing them hard."<br><br>AKA system in motion, system working.  Welcome to democracy.  This is what happens when people in Canada actually constructively do something instead of shrugging their shoulders and going 'meh'.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[neosporin posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1045102" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1045102');">Ssseth</a>:</said><p>The news keeps getting better and better. This must be what it felt like to be a hippie in the 60's. Well way more nerdy and with a lot less drugs.<br><br>Power to the people, viva la revolution!<br> </p></div>I feel our revolution is being dwarfed severely by the Egyptian revolution :P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[neosporin posted : From my MP<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>My colleagues and I in the NDP have been pushing hard for the last number of years for a coherent digital innovation policy.  The Conservative government has preferred to let the "market" make the decisions about access, speed and pricing for internet use.  As you have rightly pointed out, the problem is that we don't have an open, competitive market. We have a small oligarchy of vertically-integrated companies that control virtually every aspect of consumer-media use.  The opportunity for price gouging and anti-competitive practises are obvious.<br>Simply put, Canadians are paying more for less service.<br>I am very pleased that our Caucus's work, together with an impressive e-mail campaign,  appear  to have been effective.  In fact, in response to continued pressure by my colleague Charlie Angus, MP, the NDP's critic for digital issues, the government has finally agreed to review  the CRTC ruling, with a decision expected March 1.<br><br>Thank you for being part of that campaign.  It will be important to keep up the pressure over the coming weeks to ensure the Harper government understands Canadians are not prepared to accept a situation that permits the media giants to throttle their networks and stamp out competition in order to jack up rates.<br><br>I can assure you the NDP will continue to hold the government to account on this issue, and to push for better access and digital rights for Canadians.<br><br>All the best,<br><br>Chris<br><br>Chris Charlton, MP Hamilton Mountain<br>NDP Labour Critic/Deputy Finance Critic<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[corster posted : jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><i class='fa fa-user'></i></A> says the government has accepted his petition and it will appear in the Canada Gazette next week  :D<br><br>It seems the comment period is not legally mandated to 30-days, while it is common practice, the minister has discretion to make it smaller. <br><small>--<br>Ontario can lead again - Tim Hudak in 2011<br>Save Canadian Internet - StopUBB.ca</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1562893" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1562893');">MrX4000</a>:</said><p>Don't think its his petition .... it'll get rejected .... but it did it's job !! He should be given a freakin medal for it ;)<br> </p></div>I don't know about that... &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r25415625-">Re: Petition to the Governor in Council against UBB</A><br><br>Seems he got confirmation all is a go and legit (as shown in the link above). Up to Phony Tony to reject or accept it.<br><br>They can reject it to prevent the 30-days of comments, which is possible since they stated they will decide by March 1st.<br><br>So on second thought you could be right. Harper should reject it to meet his promise of a March 1st deadline so Bell and Rogers and Shaw etc don't get a chance to comment and drag it on. So there is merit and reasoning in rejecting it. And that is to keep their promise of a March 1st deadline.<br><br>Besides, this would be a PR nightmare for Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[shikotee posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1562893" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1562893');">MrX4000</a>:</said><p>Don't think its his petition .... it'll get rejected .... but it did it's job !! He should be given a freakin medal for it ;)<br> </p></div>Not to take the wind out of the sails of JF's accomplishments, but there have been various factors that have brought us to this outcome. But most importantly, now is not the time to hand out medals, as this means absolutely nothing - the war is still being waged, so don't pop any bottles of champagno just yet!<br><br>If anything, everyone needs to double their efforts on spreading both the word and information. The worst thing that could happen is that people become complacent. <br><br>In politics, it is standard fair to make such statements, for the sole purpose of calming things down. The hope is that with time, different things can happen, where possibly something bigger can come and take control of the news cycle. <br><br>With that said, I do find it interesting that the beginning of March is the deadline, as this will be just before the budget gets delivered. As such, it could very well play out that Harper would go against UBB, as he would no doubt like to get UBB concerned Canadians on his side. He can then push a less than favourable budget, and if the opposition defeats him on it, he can both blame the opposition for forcing the election. <br><br>In any case - I'm not a mind reader. I maintain though - we need to keep pushing harder and harder. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:37:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[B_Sandiford posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1434283" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1434283');">static416</a>:</said><p>Not too happy about this really, but this is what I expected.<br><br>The Cons are going to take the most narrow intervention possible and just repeal UBB. Meaning that equal speeds are still unlikely and throttling is still ok.<br><br>What this does do though is open up the possibility for the Libs to jump in and promise a further strengthening of wholesale.<br> </p></div>1 step at at a time.  Stay the course and the good guys will come out on top]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cmoullas posted : As far as I'm concerned, this is very good news. User reaction and media attention has been strong enough to reach the prime minister's office.<br><br>The goal now will be to make sure this issue does not fizzle out before the March 1st deadline Harper has set and hope for a positive result.<br><br>It may even be possible to further capitalize on the issue getting attention right now if we simultaneously call for restructuring of the CRTC. I don't think that is unreasonable as this is the second time in under two years that they have made major head-turning decisions that are so far outside the public's interest that they are clearly inadequate for today's technological world.<br><br>First it was Wind Mobile now it's UBB. There was also of course the whole net neutrality and throttling fiasco. The crux of the issue is that we now have a regulatory body in place which is displaying very clear signs of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture">regulatory capture</a>. What's more, they are simply not doing their job. You should not need to get the prime minister directly involved in decisions that relate to telecommunications and media every time a major decision is made. There is a very clear reason for the CRTC's existence and it's not serving its purpose.<br><br>Their technical expertise is severely lacking and I also question their integrity. It would be phenomenal if some of these issues could be brought to the table in the coming weeks as well - while we have everybody's attention.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[corster posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/539077" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=539077');">sbrook</a>:</said><p>Let's NOT forget about the sister regulation on TPIA for cable which also has caps and crazy overages ... the caps may not be as crazy as dsl, but significant.<br><br>The whole ball of wax needs looking at ... not just DSL caps.<br> </p></div>If the caps on DSL get stuck down, then regulatory symmetry goes the other way :)<br><small>--<br>Ontario can lead again - Tim Hudak in 2011<br>Save Canadian Internet - StopUBB.ca</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:24:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[static416 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/539077" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=539077');">sbrook</a>:</said><p>Let's NOT forget about the sister regulation on TPIA for cable which also has caps and crazy overages ... the caps may not be as crazy as dsl, but significant.<br><br>The whole ball of wax needs looking at ... not just DSL caps.<br> </p></div>Exactly. It needs to be looked at, but the Cons will not do that. Not because they are evil, but because it's easier not to. Just repeal UBB, declare victory and leave. <br><br>Libs wouldn't do it either if they were in power. But because they are in opposition they could leverage Canadians universal hatred of telecoms by promising better regulation in exchange for votes.<br><small>--<br>www.LaconicReply.com - Tech/photography/rant blog</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:22:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[static416 posted : I think it's a relatively low cost win for the Cons to just repeal it and leave it at that. It's clearly good for consumers, Bell and Rogers still get to screw wholesale with throttling and not giving equal speeds, and it's the simplist solution to explain to the public.<br><br>That said. I don't want just UBB gone. That doesn't get us much when wholesale DSL is still stuck in 1999.<br><br>I want a true wholesale market. The Cons won't do that. But the others could promise it.<br><small>--<br>www.LaconicReply.com - Tech/photography/rant blog</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:20:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sbrook posted : Let's NOT forget about the sister regulation on TPIA for cable which also has caps and crazy overages ... the caps may not be as crazy as dsl, but significant.<br><br>The whole ball of wax needs looking at ... not just DSL caps.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:20:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[corster posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1434283" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1434283');">static416</a>:</said><p>Not too happy about this really, but this is what I expected.<br><br>The Cons are going to take the most narrow intervention possible and just repeal UBB. Meaning that equal speeds are still unlikely and throttling is still ok.<br> </p></div>Equal Speeds has already been approved as part of a different decision, not this one. <br><br>Throttling is a completely different matter altogether. <br><small>--<br>Ontario can lead again - Tim Hudak in 2011<br>Save Canadian Internet - StopUBB.ca</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[freejazz_RdJ posted : I think equal speeds and throttling are not going to be touched by this and still be coming down the pipeline.<br><br>Three outcomes by March 1st:<br>-Total repeal of current scheme with no chance of one.<br>-Repeal with direction to come up with a less onerous UBB scheme.<br>-Sort of repeal: an adjustment to alarger discount, like 50%.<br>-No repeal or changes that require reinvestment of the monies in upgrading to make the charges un-necessary in future.<br><br>Odds are they will change something, given that they have gotten this much flak about it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:15:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[static416 posted : Not too happy about this really, but this is what I expected.<br><br>The Cons are going to take the most narrow intervention possible and just repeal UBB. Meaning that equal speeds are still unlikely and throttling is still ok.<br><br>What this does do though is open up the possibility for the Libs to jump in and promise a further strengthening of wholesale.<br><small>--<br>www.LaconicReply.com - Tech/photography/rant blog</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:11:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[MrX4000 posted : Don't think its his petition .... it'll get rejected .... but it did it's job !! He should be given a freakin medal for it ;)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:53:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1511161" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1511161');">Stewy6</a>:</said><p>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2011/02/01/internet-usage-based-billing-clement.html" >www.cbc.ca/politics/stor &middot;&middot;&middot; ent.html</A><br><br>it will be on hold then<br> </p></div><i>The federal government will decide by March 1 whether to reject a CRTC decision on usage-based internet billing, after Prime Minister Stephen Harper requested a review.</i><br><br>They will decide by March 1st?? That JF petition is in the fast lane! Normally it's a year.<br><br>lol I still find this funny and ironic that JF got this done :p]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:51:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[bt posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1511161" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1511161');">Stewy6</a>:</said><p>it will be on hold then <br> </p></div>I would say likely on hold.  But it is not guaranteed to be on hold.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Stewy6 posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2011/02/01/internet-usage-based-billing-clement.html" >www.cbc.ca/politics/stor &middot;&middot;&middot; ent.html</A><br><br>it will be on hold then ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : lol JF got G.W. Harpers ear?<br><br>LOL JF Way 2 Go!<br><br>hahaha I find this both ironic and funny.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[neosporin posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/pm-orders-review-of-internet-billing/article1890567/" >www.theglobeandmail.com/ &middot;&middot;&middot; 1890567/</A>]]></description>
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