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UK gets yet another 1GBPS Network - courtesy of Fujitsu» www.engadget.com/2011/04 ··· -the-uk/Meanwhile we're struggling tooth and nail to try and avoid paying $ 200 a month for a 5mpbs connection. I really have no idea how the CRTC can walk around thinking competition is not broken in this country. Or how external investment is a bad thing. How far behind does Canada need to fall before someone KvF or some other bureaucrat stands up and at least acknowledges - YES there's a problem. |
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report back when its actually done. |
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to CanadianRip
Notice how most Canadians IISPs simply complain that building their own networks from end to end is too expensive to bother trying to do so they insist on piggy-backing on the incumbents' networks as an essential service while in other countries with large enough secondary players, ISPs simply shut up and build their own?
With the secondary ISP marketplace so heavily fragmented in Canada due to how inexpensive and convenient wholesale network access is, none of our secondary ISPs have anywhere near the leverage and cash flow to carry out significant scale builds. You could say we are victims of too much entry-level competition. |
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I think hesitation to build networks in Canada for more then one reason. Big players would come into this country and deal with a lot of anti-competitive behaviour. Take a look at wind, prices would be dropped only long enough to drive newcomers out of the market.
Meanwhile Industry Canada would do nothing about it. The competition bureau has no teeth. |
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to justsomeguy8
You make it sound like its a far fetched idea. It'll happen well before we ever see one. |
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to InvalidError
Fujitsu is also targeting a market that is un or underserved. They are not targeting urban areas with good coverage by BT, colocated DSLAMs or Virgin cable. They are targeting those not served and not likely to be served well by the incumbents. That is their competitive advantage: they don't have any.
In that regard, they are like a WISP or a rural ILEC/CLEC. They don't have to worry too much about competing against a large incumbent with a triple play, so there is a lower risk. |
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said by freejazz_RdJ:In that regard, they are like a WISP or a rural ILEC/CLEC. They don't have to worry too much about competing against a large incumbent with a triple play, so there is a lower risk.
just like a WISP huh... except they're running at 1Gbps. Talk about an apples to Mack Truck comparison. |
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said by ruddypict:just like a WISP huh... except they're running at 1Gbps.
Talk about an apples to Mack Truck comparison.
I'm talking about the competitive challenges, not the performance or speed. |
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to InvalidError
I am gonna Used a Past Invalid Response
Canada is simply to big to built out a new network and would cost a lot- i do recall you mentioning that canada was big in mass -
change of heart now?
Also fujistu - billion dollar industry
3rd party isp, teksavvy is on the million dollar list -
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Fujistu not a UK company - yet they want to build in the UK meaning Uk Allows Foregin competition |
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to CanadianRip
let's add to that from this thread: » Capped Broadband the norm worldwide?why can Russia do this and we cannot? They are "similar" in population distribution. |
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said by LastDon:Fujistu not a UK company - yet they want to build in the UK meaning Uk Allows Foregin competition Virgin Media and Talk Talk are large enough to bankroll the build themselves, they have no need for Fujitsu there. The reason they brought Fujitsu in their JV is for the expertise since neither Virgin nor Talk have significant experience in building FTTH plants. If Virgin and Talk wanted their FTTH build to be sponsored by Fujitsu, they would likely have ended up using Fujitsu's FlashWave gear instead of Cisco's. |
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said by buggerit:why can Russia do this and we cannot? They are "similar" in population distribution. All countries have pockets of super-fast broadband but most of those also have large pockets of much slower or no broadband whatsoever. |
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to CanadianRip
Sure Canada is huge in land mass but take a look at where the main populations are settled and you will see the vast majority of people are in the south near the US border. |
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to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:said by LastDon:Fujistu not a UK company - yet they want to build in the UK meaning Uk Allows Foregin competition Virgin Media and Talk Talk are large enough to bankroll the build themselves, they have no need for Fujitsu there. The reason they brought Fujitsu in their JV is for the expertise since neither Virgin nor Talk have significant experience in building FTTH plants. If Virgin and Talk wanted their FTTH build to be sponsored by Fujitsu, they would likely have ended up using Fujitsu's FlashWave gear instead of Cisco's. they might be large enough but i think fujistu is wanting a peice of the market. thus competition and foreign investment. time to allow that into canada adn we'll see how bell starts to react. right now they have no fear, but if and once those rules are lift bell will start jumping in anger. |
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said by LastDon:time to allow that into canada adn we'll see how bell starts to react.
right now they have no fear, but if and once those rules are lift bell will start jumping in anger. Not really. The total third-party market share in Canada is too small and geographically diluted to support a cost-effective build. Also, as freejazz pointed out, that new Virgin/Talk/Fujitsu build is for areas where BT has no plans to build broadband into any time soon so even if you brought that to Canada, all major cities and suburbs would still be out of luck. |
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said by LastDon:said by InvalidError:said by LastDon:Fujistu not a UK company - yet they want to build in the UK meaning Uk Allows Foregin competition Virgin Media and Talk Talk are large enough to bankroll the build themselves, they have no need for Fujitsu there. The reason they brought Fujitsu in their JV is for the expertise since neither Virgin nor Talk have significant experience in building FTTH plants. If Virgin and Talk wanted their FTTH build to be sponsored by Fujitsu, they would likely have ended up using Fujitsu's FlashWave gear instead of Cisco's. they might be large enough but i think fujistu is wanting a peice of the market. thus competition and foreign investment. time to allow that into canada adn we'll see how bell starts to react. right now they have no fear, but if and once those rules are lift bell will start jumping in anger. Do you know any foreign investors who are interested in doing wire-line broadband in Canada? Can you name any that are chomping at the bit to wire us all up with fibre ? |
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to CanadianRip
The world is to focused on greed and companies like bell are to focused on squeezing us dry. Why cant a company be in it to benefit people and make money at the sametime?
What I am getting at is Bhell should be helping to encourage growth and even foster innovation instead of stifling it. |
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jfmezei
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jfmezei
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2011-Apr-13 4:17 pm
Note: the 1gbps is a bit misleading.
GPON is a shared medium like cable. So it is 1gbps for the neighbourhood (32 or 128 homes depending on installation).
So yes, the carrier may be set at 1gbps, but the ISP will likely rate-limit the interface into your home to something much lower. |
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said by jfmezei:So yes, the carrier may be set at 1gbps, but the ISP will likely rate-limit the interface into your home to something much lower.
Unlike Bell that rate limits you to 5kbp/s the second you start a Bit-torrent? |
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said by justsomeguy8:Do you know any foreign investors who are interested in doing wire-line broadband in Canada? Can you name any that are chomping at the bit to wire us all up with fibre ?
how can there be troll? if foreign investment isn't allowed in canada, how can their be talk about it. duh. Invalid - the Total third party market share in canada is small because of the cost associated to actually run anything. Its not about where it is being built and who it will have impact The matter is that a foreign company wants to build a network in the UK - A foreign company isn't allowed to build any type of network in canada. |
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to CanadianRip
I am willing to bet foreign ISPS like the ones in the states have plans in place if they ever decide to roll out infrastructure in Canada.
Can you imagine the reactions of Telus Shaw Rogers and Bell if a company came in with plans to roll out FTTH everywhere? |
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to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:Notice how most Canadians IISPs simply complain that building their own networks from end to end is too expensive to bother trying to do so they insist on piggy-backing on the incumbents' networks as an essential service while in other countries with large enough secondary players, ISPs simply shut up and build their own?
Uhm...look at a map of the world...take a good look at Canada...and then take a good look at the UK. Notice something? |
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said by teapartyto:Uhm...look at a map of the world...take a good look at Canada...and then take a good look at the UK.
Notice something? Try telling that to the hundreds of regular posters on these forums who want their unlimited full-speed full-time Gbps broadband for $20/month. |
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said by LastDon:A foreign company isn't allowed to build any type of network in canada. They can build it, they just are not allowed to own more than 40% of it. |
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to InvalidError
Is no body looking at my previous post talking abut how he size of te country shouldn't be an issue if one takes a look at where the majority of the population is located? The Populous is located in the south mainly. |
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In my home town - a mid-sized city in northern Sweden - you can get unmetered symmetric 1 Gbit/s broadband for roughly $100/month, from a number of providers. Symmetric 100 Mbit/s is about $45. |
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said by InvalidError:said by teapartyto:Uhm...look at a map of the world...take a good look at Canada...and then take a good look at the UK.
Notice something? Try telling that to the hundreds of regular posters on these forums who want their unlimited full-speed full-time Gbps broadband for $20/month. why not other countries have it with 20x the population NOW,, Invalid and teapartyto take a look at the Map of Canada vs UK and Slowly layout where the Population is mostly located In Canada - Ontario - Quebec, Sask, Manitoba, Alberta,BC.. etc etc Mapp out where in all province besides the ones listed, where the 85% + ( might be higher ) is located Yep thats right , look at the map and map it out.. map out the population . Than you'll see if you squish it together propbably adds up the the denisty of the UK. Population UK - 61 Million Population Canada 33 Million - where are those individuals based? Probably easier to lay fiber in canada than other countries, since our population is mostly based in mega metropolitan areas and not spread in very very remote areas. |
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wait Invalid let me help you. 2001 quote:
Canada, with 3.3 people per square kilometre, has one of the lowest population densities in the world. In 2001, most of Canada's population of 30 million lived within 200 kilometres of the United States. In fact, the inhabitants of our three biggest cities — Toronto, Montréal and Vancouver — can drive to the border in less than two hours. Thousands of kilometres to the north, our polar region — the Yukon Territory, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut — is relatively empty, embracing 41% of our land mass but only 0.3% of our population. Human habitation in the solitary north clings largely to scattered settlements: villages among vast expanses of virgin ice, snow, tundra and taiga.
source: » atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/auth/e ··· sity20012006 quote:
With 3.5 persons per square kilometre, Canada is one of the countries with the lowest population densities in the world. Census metropolitan areas (CMAs) with the highest population densities—Toronto (866), Montréal (854), Vancouver (735), Kitchener (546), Hamilton (505), and Victoria (475)—were located close to United States border.
» atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/auth/e ··· pden2006Probably a lot easier to fiber canada than other countries since our population is denisity is closely located together |
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said by DanteX:Is no body looking at my previous post talking abut how he size of te country shouldn't be an issue if one takes a look at where the majority of the population is located? The Populous is located in the south mainly. Across 5000km, which makes sharing workers and equipment across locations highly impractical and expensive so each one needs its own permanent local crew. Operating in "2D" countries that are under 1000km across with most major urban centers clustered within 200km from each other can yield considerable efficiency advantages from only having skeleton crews at each site and supplementing that from a common reserve pool as necessary for intensive temporary activities such as network builds. |
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said by InvalidError:said by DanteX:Is no body looking at my previous post talking abut how he size of te country shouldn't be an issue if one takes a look at where the majority of the population is located? The Populous is located in the south mainly. Across 5000km, which makes sharing workers and equipment across locations highly impractical and expensive so each one needs its own permanent local crew. Operating in "2D" countries that are under 1000km across with most major urban centers clustered within 200km from each other can yield considerable efficiency advantages from only having skeleton crews at each site and supplementing that from a common reserve pool as necessary for intensive temporary activities such as network builds. blah blah blah russia is just as large as canada -- Russia's population density is 8.4 people per square kilometre (22 per square mile), making it one of the most sparsely populated countries in the world. The population is most dense in the European part of the country, centering around Moscow and Saint Petersburg. 74% of the population is urban. and yet they have better internet than us? if they can do it we can do it. dont talk garbage, if they fibe themselves we can do it here. each province can have it's own 151 front street so u dont need to wire it accross canada to connect each point to point. Russian Stats: Internet Usage Statistics: 59,700,000 Internet users as of June/10, 42.8% penetration, according to ITU. Latest Population Estimate: 139,390,205 population for 2010, according to the Census Bureau. Russia Country Area: 16,894,741 sq km, population density: 8 persons per sq km vs Canada - - Total 9,984,670 km2 - 3.41/km2 person per km |
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