Topic 'Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?' in forum 'Time Warner Cable - Legacy ' - dslreports.com

Re: Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:21:36 EDT

sivran posted : Nope, no competition here. One cableco, one ILEC, maybe a CLEC or two. (if they're around, they don't advertise very well)

My location's in the same place as yours, put your glasses on woman. :p

Since you completely missed my point, allow me to spell it out.

I ordered cable internet in '00 and haven't ordered new service since. By your logic that means I've had the same email address the entire time. That's not the case. I've had my ISP changed out from under me nearly half a dozen times, each with an accompanying email domain change. Oh, and these weren't small companies either. The last one? Comcast. Cablecos love to trade territories, apparently. Not surprised it's never happened to you, who the hell wants to serve Hawaii with all its unique problems? I'd bet good money that TWC would happily dump Hilo on some other cableco if they got an offer.

Because of this I've long since stopped relying on ISP mail. It can be a pain or even impossible to regain access to an account if you've forgotten the password and no longer have the email address associated with it, sometimes even if you haven't forgotten the password, it can be a pain to update the email address without access to the old one. I don't even use it for throwaway emails anymore, since for the past four years or so I've had my own domain and hosting I just make up an email and let my catch-all address catch it. Prior to that I just used one of my multiple webmail accounts. (I did create multiple sub accounts, but mainly for extra webspaces with different names. Though now RR has made that suck too, taking away FTP access grrrr. Oh well don't need it anymore /rante)
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Re: Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Wed, 20 Apr 2011 03:07:52 EDT

Mele20 posted : I didn't make any assumption about YOU PERSONALLY. I have no idea where you live (I see nothing like that in the author column) and even if I did, I don't know if you are one of the lucky ones who has competition in broadband providers. Obviously, you must have cable competition that the FCC says few in this nation have. As for the "same" email address....I have had probably 20 over the past almost 11 years I have had RR. (Those are just my RR addresses...I have other email addresses).

I don't get your point. I have no problems with changing email addresses with the same ISP...besides, who would have only ONE with their ISP? RR allows 10 now...it was less when I got RR but even then it wasn't just one.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:58:43 EDT

Mele20 posted : Yes, I agree email is popular with businesses but I was thinking of home users because I am a home user. I didn't know lots of businesses have accounts here (other than ISPs) so I assumed we were talking mostly about home users who make up the majority of those posting here.

No, Earthlink is NOT a choice for me or for ANYONE except those willing to support a vicious cult and that is not many people.

I was referring to AOL mail client. It is the worst email client of all email clients. Absolutely horrible. I have no idea if AOL has webmail or doesn't as I would never have used it. I DETEST webmail of any kind but I was referring to AOL mail client. You misunderstood. As for other email providers, from what I hear at this site almost no provider has regular email anymore. They have webmail only. Even with RR we are supposed to go to webmail to fix any problems. I don't do that. I just telnet into the server as I cannot stand webmail for anything. So, even RR is "forcing" the use of webmail unless you know how to use telnet to talk to the server. Plus, I think I recall something with RR mail where I was forced to go to webmail to change the setting ...the sort of thing that should be available on your RR account page instead of at Webmail only. I can't remember now what it was specifically but it sure irritated me that RR was forcing me to go to webmail.

GRC News Groups are very much alive. I read and interact with them every single day since 1999. Microsoft NewsGroups were VERY ALIVE AND WELL until last September. Microsoft made a huge mistake in moving to those horrible discussion web forums they now have. Those forums are moderated and do not work well in any browser except IE. Plus, some of the best and most popular of MS's NG's were fully killed when they moved to those forums. The reason they moved was so they could spy on users. They couldn't do that with the far superior NGs. You don't need a user name, you don't have to allow tracking cookies, you don't have remember a password, you don't have to login, etc with the superior NGs. You just open your email client (as long as it is NOT Microsoft Outlook that is part of MS Office but is Outlook Express or other email clients) to your subscribed NGs and start reading and participating.

I haven't done the binaries in years (BTW, not all binaries involve illegal stealing of movies), but they are still hugely popular. And, yes, I was furious at RR when they decided to kill NGs. I read all of Mozilla's NGs and others. But a lot of them I have to pay to read after RR removed that perk and didn't replace it with anything and didn't lower my bill either.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:45:37 EDT

sivran posted : I've lived in the same place for over 20 years. I ordered cable internet almost eleven years ago (will be this coming November).

By Mele's logic I've had the same ISP and email address for just shy of 11 years.

This would be an incorrect assumption to make.
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Re: Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:16:58 EDT

Smith6612 posted : That too. I don't think ISPs recycle e-mail addresses for 6 months. For that window of 6 months, they either bounce e-mails or simply give an "Inactive E-mail" notification back. My web server receives one or two of those yearly when some forum software tries to message a user saying Happy Birthday. I get a bounced e-mail in my catch-all or Webmaster box saying it failed from the account being inactive, with maybe a new address listed.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:59:08 EDT

anon posted :

said by Mele20:

said by ejyoungone:

... because gmail exists

So do you check the MX record of every domain you send mail to?

I use GMail, with 4 different domains, all my own domains.

Many companies and universities have switched over to using Gmail for their domains. And thousands of people use it for their personal domains.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:03:06 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by Mele20 :

Email is not private and most folks have moved away from email. It is passé.

Email is still very popular in business communications. I send/receive about 30-40 emails a day for business as do many of my coworkers. It's one reason why I have a Blackberry.

Personal communications on the other hand have drifted from long form written communications for years with email replacing written letters more than a decade ago and email losing favor to quicker, shorter forms over the use of email. Texting, IMs, Facebook, Twitter, and others are much more popular for personal use then email, but it really depends on the context of the communication. Businesses communications with customers are still often done through written letter or email and it's far from "passé".

said by Mele20 :

I am not Tom Cruise. I don't brainwash my wife or anyone for that matter. I would NEVER even THINK of using the Church of Scientology for my ISP.

Doesn't matter what you think of Earthlink, it's still a choice in ISP (which you wrote you didn't have) for you in addition to Roadrunner.

said by Mele20 :

My reason though had ZERO to do with AOL mail which is the worst mail program in the universe and which I did not use when I had AOL dialup

AOL has had POP/SMTP email for years. Webmail is optional.

said by Mele20 :

I cannot understand why anyone would use a terrible email client be it AOL mail or some utter crap webmail...

Just about every email provider allows POP/IMAP/SMTP access to email and doesn't force the use of a webmail client.

said by Mele20 :

veryone still has to have a news reader and it is nicer to use your email client so email and newsgroups are together in one interface.

News reader? Wow and you call email "passé". Newsgroups have been out of general popular use for years, to the point where most ISPs have dropped their offering of the service. It's only gained a niche popularity recently with illegal file traders as the RIAA and MPAA cracked down on them.
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Re: Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:30:17 EDT

DannyZ posted :

said by Smith6612:

If you're using the ISP mail as Disposable addresses or you're keeping the ISP for years, I can see nothing wrong with using it. Obviously though, the issue comes out when a person wants to change ISPs. With the exception of a few companies such as AOL who let you keep the e-mail by converting it to an AIM account after shutting down service with them, you can generally expect your ISP e-mail to be gone a few days from service termination. From that point, anything important needs to be sent to a new address.

Also, I imagine many ISPs will allow email addresses to be reused. This creates an additional security risk; I doubt I'd be able to track down every online account that sends passwords via email and change them all to my new email address.

I like knowing I will most likely have the same email address in 50 years no matter where I live or what happens to any ISPs.
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Re: Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:17:03 EDT

Smith6612 posted : If you're using the ISP mail as Disposable addresses or you're keeping the ISP for years, I can see nothing wrong with using it. Obviously though, the issue comes out when a person wants to change ISPs. With the exception of a few companies such as AOL who let you keep the e-mail by converting it to an AIM account after shutting down service with them, you can generally expect your ISP e-mail to be gone a few days from service termination. From that point, anything important needs to be sent to a new address.

I myself run my own mail server on a Dedicated Server. The server is used mostly to run game servers (Dual Quad-Core CPUs), it however also houses my primary e-mail long enough for me to check it through Thunderbird (IMAP with Encryption). Since I have a domain name tied to the box, should I change servers/IPs or should I simply want to move over to say, a service such as GMail, I don't have to deal with mass mailing/mass updating everything going into that e-mail. Instead, I just change where the domain is pointed to and within a few hours everything will be going to the new server/inbox/whatever you want to call it. The only thing I have to do is to make sure the domain is kept alive, and that's pretty much it. I'm not at the mercy of an ISP giving me an address for use while I'm with them.

I do have a few e-mail addresses with free mail providers, these are simply "Throwaway e-mail" accounts that I use should I not trust the site completely. The only e-mail account I haven't put to use yet would be a GMail account. Nothing's even gone into or out of that address.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:21:57 EDT

Mele20 posted : :D Auto quote sure mangled "passé" in your quote..Where did it dream up those two odd characters?

I don't change my email address for any site if I kill the address that I had used to register. It is usually only needed for registration. I don't want sites spamming me anyway. So, I just leave the old address in the site's records and that includes my banking sites. They really want to spam me so I just let them have an old address that I have killed since I signed up with that bank to do online banking. Who would ever give a site anything other than a throwaway email address anyway? I am not sure, but I think if I check, that here my email address is some ancient old thing that has been dead for years. :D It hasn't affected my ability to login here so I haven't looked to see what is listed in so long I have no idea what the site has for me...probably a throw away address. I know I did not give any of my 6 ISP addresses (which were all different back then except for the Master address which with RR cannot be used for privacy reasons as it contains the last name and first initial of the subscriber). But, I agree, if folks give an ISP address to all sites that ask for an email address then it could be tedious to change them...but do they need to? I haven't needed to do that.

Email has never been private and it is sad if folks think it is. It is if you use encryption, but I have found that others don't want to do that. Yes, I think many have moved from email to Facebook. Of course, it is not more secure and certainly not more private! But email is going the way of instant messaging..it is a dodo now. Most everyone is using Facebook (of course not me). I try to get folks to join a site like this and use IM here instead. And, yes, I believed Justin when he said the IMs are never read by him or mods here. Of course, that does not mean that dslreports would be able to resist a government request that IMs from a member here to another specific member be produced. But they can be encrypted.
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Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:02:04 EDT

talz13 posted :

said by Mele20:

I can understand businesses or folks with "thousands" of email contacts not wanting to change. But it surprises me that anyone today has thousands of email contacts or ever did. Email is not private and most folks have moved away from email. It is passÃ©.

Or hundreds of forum logins, shopping accounts, banking or credit card notifications, etc. tied to an email address. Could be a pain to update all those entries (the ones you remember, at least!)

Also, most people still believe that email is private. Where have people moved from email to? Facebook? I'm sure that's much more secure.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:25:49 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by DocDrew:

said by Mele20:

I have NO OTHER CHOICE besides RR.

Earthlink Cable:
»www.oceanic.com/products ··· arthlink

AOL too although I don't think that's still available on TWC like Earthlink is inplace of Roadrunner, but I've known many people who still pay AOL so they don't lose their AOL email even though they have another provider. Same goes for many of the common dial-up ISPs. They allow email, newsgroups, portal, and access to other services through another connection, no longer requiring dial-up.

Most people have more choices than they realize or remember. Enough said.

I am not Tom Cruise. I don't brainwash my wife or anyone for that matter. I would NEVER even THINK of using the Church of Scientology for my ISP.

I was going to do AOL cable broadband way back when it was being talked about and had signed up for the beta test of it (which never got off the ground). My reason though had ZERO to do with AOL mail which is the worst mail program in the universe and which I did not use when I had AOL dialup. (I did try it out of curosity and I could not believe how horrifically awful it was and I still cannot fathom why anyone ever used it...but then I could never fathom why AOL dialup users ever used that AWFUL AOL version of IE). The ONLY thing AOL ever had going for it was beta testing which I enjoyed as they were really advanced with some of the things we tested long before they came into use publicly anywhere (AOL or otherwise).

I cannot understand why anyone would use a terrible email client be it AOL mail or some utter crap webmail with ADS and a horrible interface. And why anyone would do that because they are afraid to tell contacts that they have gotten a better ISP and decent email client like OE or Thunderbird, Opera Mail, SeaMonkey mail, etc is beyond my comprehension. I have not seen ANY decent webmail clients. They are ALL HORRIBLE and almost all of them stick ads in your face. Why would anyone put up with the awful interface on most webmail (RR being one of the WORST offenders) I have NO idea. Plus, everyone still has to have a news reader and it is nicer to use your email client so email and newsgroups are together in one interface.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:02:48 EDT

Mele20 posted : I can understand businesses or folks with "thousands" of email contacts not wanting to change. But it surprises me that anyone today has thousands of email contacts or ever did. Email is not private and most folks have moved away from email. It is passé.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:12:50 EDT

Dampier posted :

said by Mele20:

I have NO OTHER CHOICE besides RR. I can't get DSL here and TWC has the cable franchise for the entire state of Hawaii. No one buys out a huge cable company either (I believe TWC ate Adelphia ...it wasn't the other way around). I never changed ISPs when I had dial up and it had NOTHING to do with my email address. I had AOL for one reason. it was faster than any other dialup available here (31kbps -the others all tested at 14kbps to 21kbps) but I never used AOL mail or their browser. I used them as my dumb pipe to the internet only.

Sometimes the provider changes right out from under you. Ask some ex-Verizon customers now being forced to switch e-mail addresses to Frontier. I have had my phil@rochester.rr address since the first beta test days in 1998. In that time, I've probably had thousands of people maintain that address in their contact list. If I were to mass-blast a change of address e-mail, a lot of those messages would bounce because the recipients have changed THEIR addresses over the years, or the mail server might think it spam. For whatever reason, it is a major hassle to notify everyone, and certain password reset functions on websites are tied to e-mail addresses that you may or may not use any longer.

Today I use my own domain name and tie it in with Gmail, after years of using Eudora. So long as my domain name is there, it makes no difference what provider I use or where.

I also can't tell you the number of small businesses I have seen using rochester.rr.com e-mail addresses on their letterheads and business cards. Changing all that is as cumbersome as an area code change.

There are people who will stay with an ISP they despise just because they don't want to change all of the material they have that references the ISP-provided email address.
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Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:04:08 EDT

Dampier posted :

said by Mele20:

said by Dampier:

(and your rr.com e-mail address you should not be using anyway).

Why shouldn't you use RR email addresses? I have 6 of them and use all of them. I don't use RR webmail though...I hate that.

What I would NOT want to use is Earthlink email and that would be a reason to not switch to Earthlink but I can't imagine what you think is wrong with RR mail. Comcast and ATT have horrible email but RR's is quite good. It is one reason to be glad I have RR instead of Comcast or ATT.

Providers use e-mail addresses as a way to tie down their customers because of the incredible nuisance it is to notify everyone of an upcoming ISP change. It is much smarter to either use a web-based e-mail service like Gmail, or get your own domain name for e-mail, which lets you take your e-mail address to any provider you wish.
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Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:48:39 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by Mele20:

I have NO OTHER CHOICE besides RR.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:23:21 EDT

Racerbob posted : Your concerns about GMail are unfounded. There is nothing at all wrong with using it. As I said, it is pop-server and imap friendly and it is free. I very seldom go online to the GMail website to read my mail. I love the fact that I can use the e mail programs that I like to use to send and receive mail. And someone who has changed ISP's a few times in the past few years, I love the fact that IF I ever change again, my e mail addresses do not need to be changed. I also use Google Voice in conjunction with my MagicJack phone and that is my only landline. I like the fact also that I can provide my Google Voice number to people and have that number ring my cell # when I am away from home.

Also, another good e mail option is GMX Mail. Check them out. They also offer free pop e mail service and I do indeed have an account with them.

Now then. How did we get so far off topic here ? :)

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:06:02 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by DocDrew:

said by Mele20:

I don't communicate with Gmail people as I value my privacy.

You don't know who Gmail users are.... they can be ANYONE. Those with Gmail.com in their address are FAR from the only users of it. Many schools, ISPs, governments, and companies use Gmail with their own domains.

Like these:
»www.hawaii.edu/google/faq.html
»www.google.com/apps/intl ··· dex.html

Yep. And it is Gmail that ruined email. I use email only when absolutely necessary.

I also thank God that I am no longer part of the UH system and have zero need to communicate by email with anyone in the system.
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Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sun, 17 Apr 2011 02:54:46 EDT

Mele20 posted : You are still making assumptions a wise person generally avoids. The VAST MAJORITY of broadband users in this nation have ONLY ONE (if they are very lucky then two) choices of ISP. You must think everyone still has dialup where there were a lot of mom and pop choices even in small cities and some rural areas.

I have NO OTHER CHOICE besides RR. I can't get DSL here and TWC has the cable franchise for the entire state of Hawaii. No one buys out a huge cable company either (I believe TWC ate Adelphia ...it wasn't the other way around). I never changed ISPs when I had dial up and it had NOTHING to do with my email address. I had AOL for one reason. it was faster than any other dialup available here (31kbps -the others all tested at 14kbps to 21kbps) but I never used AOL mail or their browser. I used them as my dumb pipe to the internet only.

I never have understood the argument that someone is reluctant to leave an ISP because they would have to change their email address. I have frequently shut down and canceled RR email addresses and gotten new ones. If people don't like that then they need to learn how to use email without violating correspondents privacy. I rarely use email with friends because they are so ignorant about privacy and email (can't be bothered to use Blind CC, won't even consider encrypted mail, etc). I got tired of having to shut down RR email accounts, and open new ones, so I talk to friends by private message at a site like this or generally I use something called a landline telephone (not cordless that is not private) to contact my friends ...that is far better than email. email is for list servs, news groups, bulletins, newsletters, subscriptions, corresponding with a retailer, that sort of thing.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sun, 17 Apr 2011 02:14:59 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by Mele20:

If you move constantly then I understand your predicament. But I still don't understand why you or Dampier would assume everyone constantly moves and thus would be wise to avoid their ISP's email service. Many people live at the same address for 50 years or more.

I'm not assuming anyone is moving...

It doesn't have to do with moving, it has to do with making it inconvenient for users to change ISPs because they're "locked" into their ISPs email domain. It has to do with the inconvenience of ISPs that are bought out or reorganized and force users to change their email addresses.

Imagine the inconvenience for you if your Roadrunner email was forced to be changed....

Many users are reluctant to change ISPs no matter how bad the service because they don't want to hassle with changing email addresses.

Having an email address independent of any ISP frees you from most of those problems and gives you the freedom to change to any available ISP without the inconvenience of updating everyone and every service that uses it.
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Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sun, 17 Apr 2011 02:11:42 EDT

DocDrew posted :

said by Mele20:

I don't communicate with Gmail people as I value my privacy.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:33:23 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by ejyoungone:

... because gmail exists

So, you are one of those. I don't communicate with Gmail people as I value my privacy. Obviously, you think the loss of freedom and privacy in this nation is a wonderful thing. You are entitled to your opinion. *Shrug*
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Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:31:12 EDT

Mele20 posted : If you move constantly then I understand your predicament. But I still don't understand why you or Dampier would assume everyone constantly moves and thus would be wise to avoid their ISP's email service. Many people live at the same address for 50 years or more.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:20:03 EDT

Racerbob posted : Exactly. I have several GMail accounts and I use Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail to read and send my GMail.

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:05:14 EDT

ejyoungone posted :

said by Mele20:

said by Dampier:

(and your rr.com e-mail address you should not be using anyway).

... because gmail exists

Re: Is RR Standard really $64 in Rochester?

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:22:14 EDT

DocDrew posted : Using your ISPs email as a primary email often makes switching ISPs difficult later.

In the last 15+ years of being on the net, I've used Earthlink, AOL, Concentric, Adelphia, Roadrunner, Charter, Netzero, a couple of school providers, my employeers, U.S. Army, and a few more I don't remember. I stopped using my ISPs as main email years ago and my friends and relatives appriciate not having to change my email address every year or two.
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If it's important, back it up... twice. Even 99.999% reliability isn't enough sometimes.

Derailment: Road Runner E-mail

Sat, 16 Apr 2011 06:45:29 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by Dampier:

(and your rr.com e-mail address you should not be using anyway).