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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:59:30 EDT

Octavean posted : Cooler Master Announces LGA2011 Bracket Free Upgrade Program

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Cooler Master, an industry leading chassis, thermal solution, peripheral, and accessory manufacturer today extends its support for its customers. As was previously announced, Cooler Master is providing a free bracket to support LGA2011 on the Hyper 212 EVO. This will now be extended to one of Cooler Master’s best-selling CPU Coolers. Loyal owners of the award-winning Hyper 212 Plus need not worry as this offer covers the Hyper 212 Plus as well.

Support will continue to grow for other Cooler Master CPU Coolers. To be notified when new CPU Coolers brackets are available through this program or CM Store, please sign up for the Cooler Master Newsletter.

To Obtain a Bracket Upgrade:
A free LGA2011 bracket will be provided to those that purchased a Hyper 212 EVO/Plus before the inclusion of this bracket in the product packaging.
Visit our parts request page here
Be ready to provide one of the following options:o Heatsink serial number and an invoice for a LGA2011 motherboard or processor
o Heatsink serial number and a picture of your new LGA2011 motherboard or processor
For more information, visit this page.

I have two Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus HSF units but not sure how well it will work with a Core i7 3930K. Too bad I cant order the bracket now.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:08:22 EDT

Octavean posted : Apparently there are already some cooling solutions on Newegg that list LGA2011 support:

CORSAIR H70 Core High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler $94.99

CORSAIR H40 120mm High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler $69.99

Dynatron R5 60mm 2 Ball Bearing CPU Cooler for Intel Sandy Bridge EP/EX Processors $35.99

Not a huge selection but a nice start. Others will likely follow soon with new models and adaptor kits for older models.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:42:40 EDT

Somnambul33t posted :

said by Vamp:

Most stock coolers are insufficient so this is a good thing.

insufficient for what? noise? probably. cooling? they're fine.

i run an i5-750 @ 3.8 with a thermalrite TRU i bought like 4 years ago. runs fantastically. however, if i werent OCing i wouldnt see a big problem using the stock cooler. ive built many computers using stock coolers and there's nothing wrong with them. I also dont care about keeping an overly cool CPU. Intel/AMD designed these things to run at reasonable temps. 50-60 is not bad for a Core-based CPU under load; you do not need to buy a $40-60 cooler to keep them under 40 C to feel safe about them. Hell intel specs some of their older Quads for 75 and 80 C max! 50-60 is COMPLETELY fine to run 24/7/365 and the stock coolers will do this.

of course, there are other reasons to buy and use aftermarket coolers. temps for a cpu run @ stock should not be one of them unless you like wasting money.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:19:19 EDT

Somnambul33t posted :

said by jchambers28:

I wish AMD would do this for their high end chips. Their coolers are noisy as hell.

they were doing this for the Black Edition chips for over a year when they first launched. im guessing it didnt go over well since theyve had coolers for 2+ years now.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:01:06 EDT

Octavean posted : This looks interesting as well:

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The upcoming Intel Sandy Bridge-E processors will be based on socket LGA-2011 as evident from the recent Intel Developer Forum (IDF) conference. Thermaltake is here to ensure that our current and future customers of Thermaltake cooling solutions will have access to the newest technology without the hassle of trying to mock up new mounting or purchasing a new cooler entirely. The LGA-2011 upgrade mounting hardware will be provided free of charge to anyone who has purchased a qualified cooler on or after September 1st 2011. Thermaltake will be incorporating the new LGA-2011 kit into all LGA-2011 compatible coolers in both retail and e-tail space once the Intel Sandy Bridge-E processor launch is confirmed, but this program is to ensure that anyone who supports Thermaltake brands by choosing the qualified cooler as their solution will have the LGA 2011 mounting available to them when they make their purchase or in the case that the cooler may have been in store before the changeover. Thermaltake wants to ensure you can upgrade and use your recently purchased cooler with no worries about future compatibility.

»www.techpowerup.com/1540 ··· ram.html

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:06:15 EDT

Octavean posted : I like this move:

Noctua Announces Free Upgrade for LGA2011

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:51:16 EDT

Octavean posted : I didn't see that one coming,...... :o

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:46:21 EDT

Krisnatharok posted :

said by Chrno:

Looks like Intel will be including closed loop liquid coolers with these CPUs:
»www.tomshardware.com/new ··· 666.html

That's an awesome move, imo.
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:55:51 EDT

Vamp posted : Most stock coolers are insufficient so this is a good thing.
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:28:00 EDT

Chrno posted : Looks like Intel will be including closed loop liquid coolers with these CPUs:
»www.tomshardware.com/new ··· 666.html

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:46:32 EDT

Parogadi posted : Yes, but there are situations where it doesn't do it as well as it could, and the fact that you can squeeze even more out of it in both directions with a decent mobo.

That and for those of us from the 286 era, the Turbo button was always cool.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:47:50 EDT

pnjunction posted : You know the modern gear all does that automatically. Called speedstep for intel, cool & quiet for AMD.

Problem is many people OCing just turn it off. Myself I keep it on and just don't push the OC too hard. My 3.5 GHz i7 860 goes down to 1.44Ghz when idle (and most of the time I'm just poking around at websites).

New GPUs are quite good at downclocking to save power as well. ATI/AMD got it figured out with the 5000 series (idle power went from 90W with 4870 to 27W with 5870). Nvidia got it down with their 500 series (and the later released 400 series like 460)

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:10:25 EDT

Parogadi posted :

said by signmeuptoo94:

That, IMHO, is not good.

My roommate has told me my next build has to be a small low power system because our electrical use is too much.

This is why we need the Turbo button back!, I'd love to have a switch on the box that let me force underclock and undervolt the system when I don't need the power and hold it there till I hit the button and it switches to the overclocked settings, though I imagine this would cause some wear on the system... But theres no reason I need full bore just cause I want to kill 20 mins on Quake Live, running at 1Ghz and minimal GPU speed settings would still be far more then adequate since I'd still have all of those cores, cache and shaders at my disposal.
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:00:25 EDT

Parogadi posted : Huh? I've often scrounged for top end stock coolers for use on low end chips, I love this with AMD since the mounting still hasn't changed you can get the 140w heatpipe coolers for cheap and stick them on cheap dualies and have ample cooling headroom often for free-$5.
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:30:32 EDT

signmeuptoo94 posted : Or better yet, with Thermalright. They still make some of the very best there is in air cooling.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:51:56 EDT

WutanG5 posted :

said by jchambers28:

They said you will void your warranty if u do not use it. How will they know what cooler you use if you do not tell them?

That's what I'm wondering also.

I don't see why Intel just doesn't step up with something more than oem. The logical thing to me is for them to make a better cooler to up sell us.

Without the cooler, what would it be ... maybe 10$ cheaper? Not everyone will toss them and I know I would take advantage of them one way or another even if only as a back up.

edit:Imagine if they worked out a deal with a reputable cooling solution company like Zalman or Corsair for this cpu line. I'm sure they'd work it out to be cheaper than if you'd buy retail. That at least sounds better then no HSF at all. :huh:
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:46:39 EDT

WutanG5 posted : double post

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Sat, 03 Sep 2011 23:10:31 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by J E F F4:

Maybe it is clocked down to 20MHz and you don't need the fan.

LOl,......well,......then in that case,........that better be 20 very awesome mHz,..... :)

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:30:47 EDT

J E F F4 posted : Maybe it is clocked down to 20MHz and you don't need the fan.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:49:06 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by Octavean:

Not really a big deal but still I think some kind of middle ground would be nice. For example, perhaps some kind of limited promotion whereby Intel offers free (separately packaged) OEM HSF combos with qualifying Sandy Bridge-E CPUs as an opt in option during checkout (from participating dealers).

I’d amend this by saying it would be great if Intel simply bundled a redeem coupon with each CPU for one OEM HSF via mail. That way those who don’t care don't have to be bothered and those of whom that do get what they want.

Everybody wins ;)

Meh,...either way I'm still planning on getting a Sandy Bridge-E Core i7 3930k when they start shipping,....unless they hobble the X79 chipset / motherboards too much. Then I’d wait for a revision in 2012.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:12:07 EDT

jchambers28 posted : They said you will void your warranty if u do not use it. How will they know what cooler you use if you do not tell them?

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:03:19 EDT

Chrno posted : ... you don't have to use it if you don't like it but at least they give you the option by including one.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:49:54 EDT

jchambers28 posted : I wish AMD would do this for their high end chips. Their coolers are noisy as hell.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:35:25 EDT

Bender_2k posted : That's my biggest issue with this also!

I have no issue with the lack of an included HS/FAN but if there are no decent alternatives (or really few) and I have to purchase an overpriced HS/FAN combo that doesn't work well...well that'll suck!

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:35:21 EDT

Matt3 posted :

said by Octavean:

said by signmeuptoo94:

That, IMHO, is not good.

My roommate has told me my next build has to be a small low power system because our electrical use is too much.

My approach there would be to simply split the bill 50/50 and adjust by calculating the difference between power consumption of my PC vs. my roommate’s PC. Theoretically a more power efficient computer (Intel Atom for example) could use more power then a more powerful enthusiast level system if the underpowered system is used more. So “Kill A Watt meter” both those puppies and calculate the difference. Hopefully it wont be that much of a difference per month.

There was a comparison on Anandtech I believe of exactly what you said. They compared the Core i7 to the Core i5 in the new Macbook Air and determined that because the Core i7 can complete a task and hit sleep mode faster, it uses less power overall.

I can't seem to dig it up now, but it was enlightening.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:07:29 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by signmeuptoo94:

That, IMHO, is not good.

My roommate has told me my next build has to be a small low power system because our electrical use is too much.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:53:51 EDT

Krisnatharok posted :

said by signmeuptoo94:

That, IMHO, is not good.

My roommate has told me my next build has to be a small low power system because our electrical use is too much.

Pay for a larger portion of the electricity bill? :p
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:58:24 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by Matt3:

said by pnjunction:

I assume Intel will take some steps to make sure 3rd-party solutions are ready at launch.

I applaud this move. Just wasteful making and shipping all those coolers that don't get used.

On Techspot, that was the opinion of the reporter as well. Why include it since it's an "enthusiast" chip and most will simply toss it and slap on an aftermarket heatsink anyway?

Makes sense to me.

I agree with this sentiment but only to a point. My apprehension comes from having experienced poor / scant cooling solution options before during the launch of a new Intel platform requiring new cooling solutions / adapters. If I hadn’t been there before it likely wouldn’t have been a concern. Not an earthshaking concern mind you just a minor one.

Again, this really doesn’t seem to do much if anything “for” customers and seems only to benefit the manufacturer. It honestly doesn’t hurt me to toss an OEM HSF combo on the shelf is what I am saying (or to actually use it in a pinch).

Not really a big deal but still I think some kind of middle ground would be nice. For example, perhaps some kind of limited promotion whereby Intel offers free (separately packaged) OEM HSF combos with qualifying Sandy Bridge-E CPUs as an opt in option during checkout (from participating dealers).

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:20:56 EDT

signmeuptoo94 posted : That, IMHO, is not good.

My roommate has told me my next build has to be a small low power system because our electrical use is too much.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:06:17 EDT

ImpldConsent posted : I think the more pressing information on that VR-Zone article is this:

said by VR-ZONE :

On top of this, we're hearing that although the rated TDP is 130W these beasts are consuming closer to 180W and that's without even overclocking them. In fact, according to PSU design guidance we've seen, Intel is telling power supply makers to make sure their Sandy Bridge-E PSUs can cope with a peak current of 23A on the 12V2 rail and based on an 80 percent or better efficiency rating of the PSU.

180W/23A ... holy shit.
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Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:09:14 EDT

Matt3 posted :

said by pnjunction:

I assume Intel will take some steps to make sure 3rd-party solutions are ready at launch.

I applaud this move. Just wasteful making and shipping all those coolers that don't get used.

On Techspot, that was the opinion of the reporter as well. Why include it since it's an "enthusiast" chip and most will simply toss it and slap on an aftermarket heatsink anyway?

Makes sense to me.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:18:17 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : It's not a big deal...

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:49:50 EDT

Chrno posted : Why is everyone being so speculative? The socket specifications for LGA2011 and it's associated mounting specifications have been available for a while now. Corsair already have the mounting accessories for LGA2011 included with the H60, H80 and H100. So it all depends on the manufacturers to take the initiative in getting the mounting solutions out on time. The steps/road has already been laid.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:43:13 EDT

pnjunction posted : I assume Intel will take some steps to make sure 3rd-party solutions are ready at launch.

I applaud this move. Just wasteful making and shipping all those coolers that don't get used.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:21:37 EDT

Octavean posted : I have tentative plans to build a Sandy Bridge-E Core i7 3930k / X79 based system in either late 2011 or early 2012. This doesn’t dissuade me but it does seem like it could be an initial problem or expense. I certainly don’t want to buy an Intel cooler and wouldn’t unless the price were quite low while other compatible solutions were scarce.

As an early adopter, I recall having problems finding cooling solutions initially for my Bloomfield Core i7 920 / ASUS P6T Deluxe v1 configuration (bought the day the hardware first went on sale circa 2008). It took an extra two week or so to get a Thermalright LGA1366 Bolt-Thru-kit. Other third party LGA1366 cooling solutions at that time were few, seemed to be no better then the OEM version and were expensive.

I just don’t want this to keep me from hitting the ground running. As long as it doesn’t hold back my build or suck significantly more money out of my pocket I don’t really care,…

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:00 EDT

AlphaOne posted : Hope they pass the savings to us.
Simple and smaller packaging, less labor.

By the time it's shipped out, I'm sure the usual suspects have developed cooling solutions based on the reference or even the board specs which are usually out way ahead for testing.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:02:37 EDT

Chrno posted : Errr. What? These parts are rated for 130w TDP, the same as the current LGA1366 parts so how does it cost "more" to develop something they already have? It makes no sense. Have you seen the heatsink that comes with the 970 and 980?

It's not the first time Intel decided not to include heatsink and fan with its CPU. The 655K and 875K didn't. Many of the Xeon SKUs doesn't either.

Not sure what the surprise is all about.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:18:59 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Or it would cost Intel much more than normal to develop and include an adequate cooler with the chips.

Re: Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:21:21 EDT

pro7070 posted : Yeah sounds like strictly a money saving plan for them.

Sandy Bridge-E to ship without cooler

Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:49:42 EDT

Octavean posted :
According to this:

»vr-zone.com/articles/exc ··· 296.html

Sandy Bridge-E Core i7 3820, Core i7 3930K and Core i7 3960X will ship without Intel OEM HSF cooling solutions. Presumably the logic is that these enthusiast level chips will be purchased only by enthusiasts that statistically would find such OEM solutions unworthy or inadequate.

Fair enough I suppose in most cases this is probably spot on but early adopters often find that aftermarket solutions are in short supply (or priced to the stratosphere).

There have been times I have used the stock cooler just to get started while waiting on a better cooling solution so I can’t say I actually like this move. I mean I’m sure it may save Intel some coin but those savings aren’t likely significant to the average customer (assuming its even passed on to said customers).