Topic 'Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?' in forum 'Bell Canada' - dslreports.com

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:30:42 EDT

dillyhammer posted :

said by bestsavvy :

The troll is strong in this thread. 5+ pages wow. LAN usage is NOT counted geeze.

We're talking about Bell here. Try and keep up, oh anonymous one.

»[Internet] Bell charging for wireless "intranet" usage

Mike
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Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:46:39 EDT

anon posted : The troll is strong in this thread. 5+ pages wow. LAN usage is NOT counted geeze.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:56:20 EDT

anon posted : Would you please try netstat -n so we can see the IP addresses rather than the host names? It will be easier to determine on-net/off-net traffic.

From the looks of it though, those yyzs06-*in-f* entries are typically Google CDN (Content Distribution Network) for Google/YouTube video streaming. These are local sites that help serve up content quicker.

If your PC was idle when you ran netstat, then there's some software running in the background doing something you are not aware of.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:09:36 EDT

anon posted : netstat -bno will display the IP addresses, ports, owner of the process and the executable, that should give plenty of info including what program is connecting to what IP.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:54:38 EDT

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:25:26 EDT

pulp46 posted : A LOT more TIME_WAIT going on with the 2wire. Hopefully someone with great experience will chyme in, thanks pat! :)

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:18:47 EDT

pat2k8 posted : okee dokee:

The first netstat is with my dd-wrt router and DSL-300G modem

The second is the 2-wire as the modem and router, my PC is connected to the router AND a PPPoe connection.(still unsure how this became connected before)

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Tower>netstat

Active Connections

Proto Local Address Foreign Address State
TCP 127.0.0.1:5354 Tower-PC:49155 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:49155 Tower-PC:5354 ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:54872 208.89.14.135:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:54873 208.89.14.135:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:55947 www-slb-11-12-prn1:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:55949 67.69.174.115:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:55950 67.69.174.34:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:55974 67.69.174.18:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:55984 star-slb-ecmp-01-prn1:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:56004 yyz06s06-in-f23:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56005 yyz06s07-in-f11:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56006 yyz06s07-in-f11:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56007 yyz06s06-in-f23:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56008 yyz06s06-in-f23:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56010 yyz06s06-in-f23:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56012 yyz06s07-in-f24:https TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:56015 yyz06s06-in-f6:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56016 yyz06s06-in-f6:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56017 yyz06s06-in-f23:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56068 yyz06s07-in-f15:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56069 yyz06s07-in-f15:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56070 yyz06s07-in-f15:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56071 yyz06s06-in-f31:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56072 yyz06s06-in-f31:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56073 yyz06s06-in-f2:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56074 yyz06s06-in-f2:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56075 yyz06s06-in-f2:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56076 yyz06s06-in-f9:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56077 yyz06s06-in-f9:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56078 yyz06s06-in-f9:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56079 yyz06s06-in-f9:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56080 yyz06s06-in-f9:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56081 yyz06s06-in-f9:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56082 yyz06s06-in-f3:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56083 yyz06s06-in-f3:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56084 yyz06s06-in-f3:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56085 yyz06s06-in-f3:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56086 yyz06s07-in-f8:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56087 yyz06s07-in-f8:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56088 yyz06s07-in-f8:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56089 yyz06s07-in-f8:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56090 yyz06s07-in-f8:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56091 yyz06s07-in-f8:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56092 yyz06s06-in-f3:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56093 yyz06s06-in-f2:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56094 yyz06s06-in-f3:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56095 yyz06s06-in-f2:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56096 yyz06s06-in-f2:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56104 DCOSLA:https TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.24:56115 bell:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.24:56137 DNS-321:microsoft-ds ESTABLISHED

C:\Users\Tower>netstat

Active Connections

Proto Local Address Foreign Address State
TCP 65.92.49.24:56286 yyz06s06-in-f0:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56287 yyz06s06-in-f0:https ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56294 www-ecmp-06-prn1:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56295 67.69.174.115:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56296 67.69.174.115:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56297 67.69.174.115:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56298 67.69.174.115:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56299 67.69.174.115:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56300 67.69.174.115:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56301 67.69.174.25:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56302 www-ecmp-06-prn1:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56303 157.238.74.43:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56304 157.238.74.43:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56305 204.183.124.123:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56306 67.69.174.25:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56307 157.238.74.34:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56308 157.238.74.34:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56309 67.69.174.25:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56310 67.69.174.25:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56311 67.69.174.25:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56312 67.69.174.25:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56313 67.69.174.17:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56314 67.69.174.9:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56315 67.69.174.9:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56316 67.69.174.114:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56317 67.69.174.35:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56318 67.69.174.35:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56319 67.69.174.35:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56320 67.69.174.35:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56321 67.69.174.35:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56322 67.69.174.35:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56323 67.69.174.128:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56324 67.69.174.130:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56325 157.238.74.59:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56326 67.69.174.130:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56327 67.69.174.130:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56328 67.69.174.130:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56329 67.69.174.130:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56330 67.69.174.130:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56331 157.238.74.59:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56332 204.183.124.98:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56333 204.183.124.98:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56334 204.183.124.98:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56335 204.183.124.98:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56336 star-slb-10-08-prn1:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56337 star-slb-10-08-prn1:http TIME_WAIT
TCP 65.92.49.24:56338 www-ecmp-06-prn1:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 65.92.49.24:56339 channel-ecmp-13-prn1:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:2869 Tower-PC:56267 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:5354 Tower-PC:49155 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:5357 Tower-PC:56212 TIME_WAIT
TCP 127.0.0.1:5357 Tower-PC:56220 TIME_WAIT
TCP 127.0.0.1:5357 Tower-PC:56225 TIME_WAIT
TCP 127.0.0.1:5357 Tower-PC:56230 TIME_WAIT
TCP 127.0.0.1:5357 Tower-PC:56266 TIME_WAIT
TCP 127.0.0.1:5357 Tower-PC:56274 TIME_WAIT
TCP 127.0.0.1:49155 Tower-PC:5354 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:56237 Tower-PC:56238 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:56238 Tower-PC:56237 ESTABLISHED
TCP 127.0.0.1:56267 Tower-PC:icslap ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56215 N Router 687F741C61AC:1780 TIME_WAIT
TCP 192.168.2.103:56239 yyz06s06-in-f20:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56240 yyz06s06-in-f23:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56243 yyz06s06-in-f15:https FIN_WAIT_1
TCP 192.168.2.103:56245 OCSP:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56273 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56278 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56279 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56280 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56281 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56282 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56283 mymodem:http ESTABLISHED
TCP 192.168.2.103:56293 DNS-321:microsoft-ds ESTABLISHED

C:\Users\Tower>
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Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:06:48 EDT

pulp46 posted : Please post the netstat results, pat! :)

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:01:56 EDT

pat2k8 posted : I have warmed up to the idea that I am off my rocker. i am now looking to switch providers.

i did do a netstat with the 2-wire hooked -up and also tested my theory, but on the 2-wire i only can watch the Bell usage meter. Not very reliable. Netstat with the 2-wire shows a buch of WAN connections, as if it is taking priority over the LAN connection? They both travel down 1 cable to the 2-wire.

Anyhoo, if the is any interest in my netstat I dont want to post if nobody wants to see it.

I will watch the usage meter to see if my 650mb file transfer shows as a download. i am the only person on the network in my house right now......thx all.....
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Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:24:14 EDT

anon posted : Having LAN traffic go out to the Internet and back violates basic routing.

First, LAN uses rfc1918 addresses that would not route on the Internet.

Second, the net mask for the devices on the LAN would not send traffic to the default route since the devices all belong to the same local subnet.

Third, if your traffic went UP to the Internet and back DOWN to you machine then you would see 5gb upload and 5gb download, not 5gb download and less than 1gb upload.

Take your tinfoil hat off, get some sunlight and breath in the fresh air!

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:09:12 EDT

a_mckie posted :

said by pat2k8 :
I am curious if this appears as 2 connections through Bell and they tag my bandwidth?

Are you suggesting the data goes from your home, to Bell, then back to your home again? Wouldn't the data be counted in your Upload data usage in that case?

-A

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:12:25 EDT

pat2k8 posted : Well I am home, quickly hooked up my DD-WRT and got the house back online. Usage is "normal" and the last 5+ GB day was the 14th when I transfered a file from my NAS to my Desktop.

I remember questioning why my desktop was directly connected to my PPPOe and the 2-wire also was? I am curious if this appears as 2 connections through Bell and they tag my bandwidth?

anyways, I am maxed out for the month and will wait until the 27th to reconnect my 2-wire and prove out my theory.

Open to any other ideas.
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Pat2k8@yahoo.ca Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:46:35 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Bell - The Stuxnet of Billing ???

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:43:51 EDT

dillyhammer posted : Yeah, I don't know if it's even possible. What I'm saying is I can't imagine how Bell would see internal lan traffic otherwise. The device has nothing to do with measuring or calculating usage. That's done on a separate piece of equipment far from the user's premises.

This just doesn't make any sense on a lot of levels.

But I will say this. If an ISP was able to cook up some scheme to measure lan traffic and bill the user for it... I would surely expect Bell to be the first, and the leader, in such an endeavour.

:)

Mike
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Cogeco - The New UBB Devil -»[Burloak] Usage Based Billing Nightmare
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Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:26:24 EDT

urbang33k posted :

said by kovy7:

And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.

This is kind of what I was getting at before. Depending on his upstream sync rate, if his LAN streaming traffic was hittng the BAS, he would be having a lot more issues with excessive buffering during playback. (IF indeed it would even work at all)

Remember. Its a 2wire. his MAX upload would be 1088 kb/s. But is probably at 800 kb/s.
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Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:25:47 EDT

glussier posted : This is it, I would like to know what it would fix. The op, except for his excessive bandwidth, has no router problem, therefore he doesn't need a new router.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:45:53 EDT

MJB33 posted : a seperate router would fix it since the traffic would avoid the bell modem/router

connect any devices which you will be playing media ( ps3) and the pc (server) to the router . disconnect the wan from the router.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:30:31 EDT

glussier posted : It won't change anything.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:55:03 EDT

pulp46 posted :

said by MJB33:

why not buy a seperate router and avoid using the bell router/modem

I could certainly do that for him (total noob) but we only go to Toronto on holidays. He's got 2.5 months to sort this out. ;)

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:42:06 EDT

glussier posted : It's easy to find out. Take the ip of that other computer on your network, and do a netstat of that ip on your computer. If the network is routed thru the internet, you'll see it right away.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:48:11 EDT

MJB33 posted : why not buy a seperate router and avoid using the bell router/modem

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:23:31 EDT

pat2k8 posted : As a hypothetical question, what if I had my 2-Wire connected to my LAN and my main PC connected, but using a separate PPPOE connection? If i transfered a file from my home network to this main PC, would it travel through the BAS? is that possible?
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Pat2k8@yahoo.ca Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:22:13 EDT

kovy7 posted :

said by pat2k8:

if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Mike

I am waiting to test this theory, how crazy is it that my LAN traffic is routing through my BAS? I am open to any help or ideas that will quickly get to the bottom of this. I will be home tomorrow night......

And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:23 EDT

pat2k8 posted :

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:53:38 EDT

dillyhammer posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:
"Check here to increase your ~~speed~~ charges" option?

LOL. Yeah.

Something has GOT to be up with this though. I don't get it. The modem/router has nothing to do with the calculation of usage, right? It's done at the BAS if I'm not mistaken. That being the case, it stands to reason that if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Mike
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Cogeco - The New UBB Devil -»[Burloak] Usage Based Billing Nightmare
Cogeco UBB, No Modem Required - »[Niagara] 40gb of "usage" while the modem is unplugged

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:33:07 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by dillyhammer:

Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?

Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:
"Check here to increase your ~~speed~~ charges" option?

Does the end user use any off-site backup service that sends only the delta's? Something like that would tend to double the amount of transfer used.

The user should run a program like "Little Snitch" (OS x) or a Windows equivalent to see what's actually doing on at the machine level. Wireshark would do the trick too but there's a steep learning curve.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:55:15 EDT

dillyhammer posted :

said by realthang :

Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could.

Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?

Mike
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Cogeco - The New UBB Devil -»[Burloak] Usage Based Billing Nightmare
Cogeco UBB, No Modem Required - »[Niagara] 40gb of "usage" while the modem is unplugged

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:25:56 EDT

GeoStar posted : 8ell they ask how many computers in your house , well maybe they multiply your bill by the number of computers to equal ur real bill :D right ?

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:43:57 EDT

zod5000 posted : Unless the router/modem combo is routing the internal traffic through the internet?

How fast is the data moving through your LAN?

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:40:18 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by kibosh:

There would be calls for class action lawsuits and heads would surely roll. ;)

You'd see $2.17 after plaintiff's lawyer fees.
As long as the plaintiff's lawyers get enough money to satisfy them and the wronged consumers get "something", there would be a pre-trial settlement.

As to the heads rolling part, you can be sure that any 'settlement' Bell would agree to would be for less than what they overcharged, so it would be a net win for Bell.

/welcome to the real world

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:14:39 EDT

kibosh posted : Just to throw in my 2 cents. I live in the Toronto area, I have a sagemcom combo router and I can assure you that my LAN traffic is definitely not counted against my bandwidth cap.

I am positive people on this forum would be screaming bloody murder if it did. There would be calls for class action lawsuits and heads would surely roll. ;)

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:23:19 EDT

anon posted : Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:31:27 EDT

glussier posted : I'm not calling you a liar. What I'm saying is that how is Bell able to monitor your network traffic? I they were to do that with me, and calculate both download/upload on my inhouse network, I would end-up with 10TO of bandwidth/month.

If I were you, I would check for a trojan installed on 1 or more of your computers.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:11:14 EDT

pat2k8 posted : i wish i could go back and get my bandwidth from my old dd-wrt, i believe this all started when i plugged my 2-wire 2701 in. But because i was under my cap i never noticed, i dont check on a regular basis, until now.

here is the last 6 months atached.
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Pat2k8@yahoo.ca Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:25:50 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by pulp46:

Yes, I would have been there with my DIR-655 within 5 minutes of him telling me about it... but he's 5 hours away, one way.

Talk him through an trial install of LogMeIn or any one of the remote control apps, then take control of his machine & router to see what's going on and make any required changes.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:19:01 EDT

pulp46 posted : I don't care what it says for LAN. It can be 1X or 100000000X, it's NOT supposed to count that. And since its screwed, of course it can 1000X it, it's broken and Bell is making the users pay for its broken reporting.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:14:28 EDT

kovy7 posted :

said by pulp46:

I'm also assuming it's wildly exaggerating LAN B/W too. The reporting is broken, hopelessly so... not out of the realm of possibilities! :)

Broken yes... but from 300mb of streaming to 10Gb ?

If 2 users are reporting the same reading on the same day, there might something fishy. But LAN counting...

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:10:43 EDT

pulp46 posted : I'm also assuming it's wildly exaggerating LAN B/W too. The reporting is broken, hopelessly so... not out of the realm of possibilities for it to times it by 100 or a MILLION. It's not the users, it's the Ghost in da MACHINE that's phoqued. :)

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:04:30 EDT

kovy7 posted :

said by pat2k8:

yes the bandwidth meter is counting upload and download. one of the items that stands out from my previous month would be that I downloaded a 5GB file FROM THE INTERNET and then transfered it from that PC to another in my house. How is it that Bell should be able to charge me for the internal transfer, I don't know?

I dont know how it is calculating the usage up/down, but when I get home later this week I will be all over this like a spider monkey. I will track usage and transfer of large internal files and see what I can confirm. If I screwed something up, I will be the first to admit it. But like I have said, I know what my usage is and this just isn't what is being reported.....

Would be fun if you could post a picture of the Bell bandwith tracker.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:03:56 EDT

kovy7 posted :

said by pulp46:

pat2k9, I REALLY appreciate your input and verification of this phenomina, people think we're nutz, wrongly so. Thank you and keep us posted! :)

"...like a spider monkey..." :D

I'm not saying your crazy... but to conclude Bell is counting LAN while your friends barely streamed 300mb... is pretty much a wild assumption.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:23:41 EDT

pulp46 posted : pat2k9, I REALLY appreciate your input and verification of this phenomina, people think we're nutz, wrongly so. Thank you and keep us posted! :)

"...like a spider monkey..." :D

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:19:06 EDT

pat2k8 posted : yes the bandwidth meter is counting upload and download. one of the items that stands out from my previous month would be that I downloaded a 5GB file FROM THE INTERNET and then transfered it from that PC to another in my house. How is it that Bell should be able to charge me for the internal transfer, I don't know?

I dont know how it is calculating the usage up/down, but when I get home later this week I will be all over this like a spider monkey. I will track usage and transfer of large internal files and see what I can confirm. If I screwed something up, I will be the first to admit it. But like I have said, I know what my usage is and this just isn't what is being reported.....
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Pat2k8@yahoo.ca Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:10:31 EDT

kovy7 posted :

said by pat2k8:

for 13 years I have been with Bell, laugh, it's ok....

retentions sent me the 2701 modem/wireless router last year and i removed my dd-wrt routter. like i said, I told the rep on the phone, if i remove the phone line from your router/modem and transfer on my home network, you shouldnt see it or charge me for it. She softly giggled and said she would talk to tech, came back and confirmed it. I then told her I was removing the modem asap, she said it was a good idea? wtf.

I was away all weekend, no usage, any only transfered 2 .iso images from my NAS to my Desktop last night, approx 10GB. And today it is showing on my data usage 10GB approx. for yesterday!!!!!!!!

I dont believe this is actually ok to do, I would like to bump this up a level and do more. Their is NO WAY bell should charge me for my internal network traffic.

Call me a liar, bullsh*t or whatever you want, I know what im seeing...

If LAN was counted... Wouldn't both Download and Upload be counted ?

From what I gather here, you downloaded your ISO images and it equals to 10Gb...

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:04:34 EDT

pat2k8 posted : I am now leaving for 3 days on business, no internet is connected and the 2-wire is going in the microwave.

correction, when I return I will use my modem to confirm usage through dd-wrt and hook that sum-a-biatch back up an log the usage its giving me. If I can confirm this, I will want to know what I can do for my overage charges and help anyone else experiencing this.

Think about it, the majority of people just shrug off the overage and say " I must have used alot of data". Well I would have some porn collection right now if I downloaded 150GB last month...............
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Pat2k8@yahoo.ca Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:03:58 EDT

kovy7 posted :

said by pulp46:

Well, that's 2 people now. Maybe they are the first 2 to notice and perhaps others are total noobs?

It just so happens both users have a 10Gig charge on that day... very very weird.

If you friend streamed a 280Meg file, it still doesn't make sense to have 10Gig extra... weather LAN or WAN was counted.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:59:35 EDT

pat2k8 posted : for 13 years I have been with Bell, laugh, it's ok....

retentions sent me the 2701 modem/wireless router last year and i removed my dd-wrt routter. like i said, I told the rep on the phone, if i remove the phone line from your router/modem and transfer on my home network, you shouldnt see it or charge me for it. She softly giggled and said she would talk to tech, came back and confirmed it. I then told her I was removing the modem asap, she said it was a good idea? wtf.

I was away all weekend, no usage, any only transfered 2 .iso images from my NAS to my Desktop last night, approx 10GB. And today it is showing on my data usage 10GB approx. for yesterday!!!!!!!!

I dont believe this is actually ok to do, I would like to bump this up a level and do more. Their is NO WAY bell should charge me for my internal network traffic.

Call me a liar, bullsh*t or whatever you want, I know what im seeing...
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Pat2k8@yahoo.ca Burlington, Ontario.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:58:03 EDT

glussier posted : I'm a computer software developer. Though, I did a few contracts for Bell, back in the mid 90's, I'm not a Bell employee.

I'm just telling you, that you are saying doesn't make sense. You are just relying on your friend's information, without having confirmed anything by yourself.

It would seem to me, that the sole purpose of this thread, is to promote Teksavvy.

This thread is going nowhere, so, this is it for me.

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:37:05 EDT

pulp46 posted : BELL contacting you saying you went 50 GIG over your allowance and when you monitor your usage for individual days, only downloading 1 TV show yet the counter shows 10 GIG... isn't a total noob thing. Why so much contempt for the users? Do you work for Bell? Typically, the butthurt is directed at the ISP! LOL

P. S. Love you TekSavvy! ;)

Re: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:31:30 EDT

anon posted : So let me see if i understand correctly...

Your friend (who you claim is not too handy with this stuff) is most likely right in that Bell is counting LAN traffic, something that every user on this forum has done at one time or another and would CLEARLY have noticed by now.

Furthermore, a fellow poster who just so happens to be in another province claims that his 1.2TB of data transfer did not count, but because he's in QC you cannot rely on it.

I hate to break it to you, but Bell is not counting your friend's LAN traffic. If he did, there would have been an epidemic on this site a few times over.