Theme

Welcome · log in · join

Forums → O Canada! → Canadian →

TekSavvy → Re: CNOC speed matching decision due next week

uniqs
24

« Bravo Distributel! • [DSL] DSL speed cut in half London area, anyone else? »
page: 1 · 2 · next
This is a sub-selection from CNOC speed matching decision due next week

TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc to PlatooN Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 2:30 pm to PlatooN Re: CNOC speed matching decision due next week said by PlatooN: this may seem like a simplistic approach but follow me here. Since you have more links on order, and APOI is coming up very soon to cover the rest of the footprint. Is it not possible to cancel the new links on order and just start activating new subs (and maybe move a few subs to lower demand on current links) on the APOI gear? It would seem like a more future looking approach than putting in more links (no doubt with contracts, and man hours attached to them) that will be redundant in 8 months? Right. So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. In the mean time, we continue to signup more subs... its a bit of a similar situation to a year ago where everybody was saying stop selling... wait for more capacity... our ability to stop on a dim is very limited... So the first 10gig links that are getting installed for ATPIA will be to light up all the "other POIs" and also one area. If I'm not mistaken the one that's been thrown around was in Ottawa. Dont hold me to that yet though. After that it's a matter of adding more 10 gig links... and as we add more.. we migrate more.. but the thing is also that we already have 10 gig links.. so we need to migrate some over and as they get freed up.. we can migrate more to the existing 10 gig links as they get re-provisioned on Rogers end... its this whole shuffling of things around...
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:30 pm ·
PlatooN join:2007-02-13 Kitchener, ON	PlatooN Member 2013-Jan-31 2:33 pm said by TSI Marc: said by PlatooN: this may seem like a simplistic approach but follow me here. Since you have more links on order, and APOI is coming up very soon to cover the rest of the footprint. Is it not possible to cancel the new links on order and just start activating new subs (and maybe move a few subs to lower demand on current links) on the APOI gear? It would seem like a more future looking approach than putting in more links (no doubt with contracts, and man hours attached to them) that will be redundant in 8 months? Right. So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. In the mean time, we continue to signup more subs... its a bit of a similar situation to a year ago where everybody was saying stop selling... wait for more capacity... our ability to stop on a dim is very limited... So the first 10gig links that are getting installed for ATPIA will be to light up all the "other POIs" and also one area. If I'm not mistaken the one that's been thrown around was in Ottawa. Dont hold me to that yet though. After that it's a matter of adding more 10 gig links... and as we add more.. we migrate more.. but the thing is also that we already have 10 gig links.. so we need to migrate some over and as they get freed up.. we can migrate more to the existing 10 gig links as they get re-provisioned on Rogers end... its this whole shuffling of things around... yeah I hear you. I guess it's a matter of how the back end works. Once your inital APOI is online, do you have an options to add sub's to either APOI or POI? If so I would immediately start signing up EVERYONE to APOI and just have rogers start building there. If an old POI gets overloaded, grab 15-20 high usage subs and move them over to free up load. Granted it would require some active management of the situation but would (i ASSUME) result in some major cost savings over lighting up 20 or so gigE links that you will just turn off again in less than a year.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:33 pm ·
TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 2:34 pm no.. it's by geography/POI... a POI is either ATPIA or it's not... until it's migrated over.. everybody, new of existing gets the same on that specific POI.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:34 pm ·
PlatooN join:2007-02-13 Kitchener, ON	PlatooN Member 2013-Jan-31 2:35 pm well that pretty much crushes that plan. Considering they're totally different infrastructures you would THINK you could do either or.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:35 pm ·
TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 2:37 pm well, it would mean adding a whole new set of IPs and routing back through their entire network... the routers need to know to send it to the ATPIA path or the TPIA path.. only way to do that is to have different pools of IPs...
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:37 pm ·

TSI Marc	TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 2:47 pm said by TSI Marc: well, it would mean adding a whole new set of IPs and routing back through their entire network... the routers need to know to send it to the ATPIA path or the TPIA path.. only way to do that is to have different pools of IPs... I guess more importantly.. we asked them to do that and they said they wouldn't or couldn't do it.. and frankly, I can understand it given the above.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:47 pm ·
Confused @rcmp-grc.gc.ca	Confused to TSI Marc Anon 2013-Jan-31 2:48 pm to TSI Marc Dear Marc, I am giving you till December to make the switch to higher speeds. If you don't do that by then I will be switching to Start Thanks
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:48 pm ·
da_guy2 join:2003-06-10 Kanata, ON	da_guy2 Member 2013-Jan-31 2:50 pm said by Confused : Dear Marc, I am giving you till December to make the switch to higher speeds. If you don't do that by then I will be switching to Start Thanks You can be guaranteed it will be by December. If they don't do it by November they get cut off.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:50 pm ·

TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc to Confused Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 2:55 pm to Confused said by Confused : Dear Marc, I am giving you till December to make the switch to higher speeds. If you don't do that by then I will be switching to Start Thanks No problem. I have no doubt that we'll be done before then... the current CRTC ruling is that we have to be migrated by October I believe. Some could migrate as earlier as 1 to 1.5 months from now.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:55 pm ·
MaynardKrebs We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17	MaynardKrebs to TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 2:57 pm to TSI Marc said by TSI Marc: So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. So what's the due date for that? 2015??
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 2:57 pm ·
resa1983 Premium Member join:2008-03-10 North York, ON	resa1983 Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:00 pm said by MaynardKrebs: said by TSI Marc: So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. So what's the due date for that? 2015?? In the next few months, so that TSI can go Agg.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:00 pm ·
HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON	HiVolt to TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:01 pm to TSI Marc said by TSI Marc: So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. You mean they haven't built it yet? There's a CRTC requirement to cut off conventional POI's and they dont have the necessary infrastructure built? Its nice that the TPIA's have a deadline but Rogers doesnt? I have a feeling this wont be a smooth conversion.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:01 pm ·
TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:03 pm said by HiVolt: said by TSI Marc: So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. You mean they haven't built it yet? There's a CRTC requirement to cut off conventional POI's and they dont have the necessary infrastructure built? Its nice that the TPIA's have a deadline but Rogers doesnt? I have a feeling this wont be a smooth conversion. Hum, this isn't rocket science.. we've been planning this with them. I dont see why it wouldn't go smoothly.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:03 pm ·
MaynardKrebs We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17	MaynardKrebs to resa1983 Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:03 pm to resa1983 said by resa1983: said by MaynardKrebs: said by TSI Marc: So the problem is that they need to build a 100+ gig network between the APOI head end and our POP at 151 Front. So what's the due date for that? 2015?? In the next few months, so that TSI can go Agg. Remember Dupont? Target dates didn't mean a damn there.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:03 pm ·
resa1983 Premium Member join:2008-03-10 North York, ON	resa1983 Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:05 pm said by MaynardKrebs: Remember Dupont? Target dates didn't mean a damn there. Same with York Mills - the first upgrade. :\
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:05 pm ·
HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON	HiVolt to TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:05 pm to TSI Marc said by TSI Marc: Hum, this isn't rocket science.. we've been planning this with them. I dont see why it wouldn't go smoothly. Hehehe... You of all people should not take that at face value... I can't count how many times Rogers has missed deadlines for POI upgrades.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:05 pm ·
MaynardKrebs We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17	MaynardKrebs to TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:07 pm to TSI Marc said by TSI Marc: Hum, this isn't rocket science.. we've been planning this with them. I dont see why it wouldn't go smoothly. But Rogers treats it as if it was, and their legal/marketing types will undoubtedly throw a few potholes in your path at the last minute. --- from the "Behind every cloud, there's another cloud" school of thought
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:07 pm ·
resa1983 Premium Member join:2008-03-10 North York, ON	resa1983 Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:08 pm said by MaynardKrebs: said by TSI Marc: Hum, this isn't rocket science.. we've been planning this with them. I dont see why it wouldn't go smoothly. But Rogers treats it as if it was, and their legal/marketing types will undoubtedly throw a few potholes in your path at the last minute. --- from the "Behind every cloud, there's another cloud" school of thought More like "Behind every upgrade there is... All of 1 person doing anything, hense it taking 3 extra weeks."
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:08 pm ·
koreyb Open the Canadian Market NOW join:2005-01-08 Etobicoke, ON	koreyb to Confused Member 2013-Jan-31 3:11 pm to Confused said by Confused : Dear Marc, I am giving you till December to make the switch to higher speeds. If you don't do that by then I will be switching to Start Thanks being the fact they have to be all switched by NOVEMBER, or be cut off, I doubt you will have to wait that long.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:11 pm ·
TwiztedZero Nine Zero Burp Nine Six Premium Member join:2011-03-31 Toronto, ON	TwiztedZero to HiVolt Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:11 pm to HiVolt I imagine if Rogers does miss deadlines on this, they'll have to extend the cut off date. Cut off is November 15, 2013
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:11 pm ·
koreyb Open the Canadian Market NOW join:2005-01-08 Etobicoke, ON	koreyb Member 2013-Jan-31 3:16 pm said by TwiztedZero: I imagine if Rogers does miss deadlines on this, they'll have to extend the cut off date. Cut off is November 15, 2013 or they cut off TPIA anyway :P one way to kill the competition. LOL
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:16 pm ·
TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc to HiVolt Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:16 pm to HiVolt said by HiVolt: said by TSI Marc: Hum, this isn't rocket science.. we've been planning this with them. I dont see why it wouldn't go smoothly. Hehehe... You of all people should not take that at face value... I can't count how many times Rogers has missed deadlines for POI upgrades. You need to understand what I have witnessed... When all the prior problems existed, when we order gig links from them, they were treating those links the same as any other LAN customer... i.e. usually not the entire pipe gets used. Once they finally understand that we were going to use every inch of that pipe on every single link.. it meant the they need to plan their network upgrades completely different. Now that we are all on the same page, they have been relatively timely with their upgrades. i.e. since then, I have not seen any indication that they dont fully understand what its going to take. I have personally met with them and we will meet again. The rest of my team has been in daily communication with them...
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:16 pm ·
elitefx join:2011-02-14 London, ON	elitefx Member 2013-Jan-31 3:17 pm Will the switch to AGG require the elimination of all Tek Docsis 2 modem tiers/users? Rogers DOES require D3 ONLY for the new higher down/up tiers.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:17 pm ·
HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON	HiVolt to TSI Marc Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:18 pm to TSI Marc Thats good to hear.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:18 pm ·
koreyb Open the Canadian Market NOW join:2005-01-08 Etobicoke, ON	koreyb to elitefx Member 2013-Jan-31 3:18 pm to elitefx said by elitefx: Will the switch to AGG require the elimination of all Tek Docsis 2 modem tiers/users? Rogers DOES require D3 ONLY for the new higher down/up tiers. I would say anything but lite (6mb) cable will require D3 modems. D2 modems based on how rogers has their network built, just can't keep up.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:18 pm ·
TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc to elitefx Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:20 pm to elitefx said by elitefx: Will the switch to AGG require the elimination of all Tek Docsis 2 modem tiers/users? Rogers DOES require D3 ONLY for the new higher down/up tiers. So the short answer is No. The D2 modems will continue to work. But in some cases, to get the higher speeds, it will require a D3 modem. I'll try to get a map of what speeds will require what modem.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:20 pm ·
da_guy2 join:2003-06-10 Kanata, ON	da_guy2 to elitefx Member 2013-Jan-31 3:20 pm to elitefx said by elitefx: Will the switch to AGG require the elimination of all Tek Docsis 2 modem tiers/users? Rogers DOES require D3 ONLY for the new higher down/up tiers. I believe to get the faster speeds you'll need D3. If your happy with your current speeds, the D2 will probably be ok.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:20 pm ·
TSI Marc Premium Member join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON	TSI Marc to HiVolt Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:21 pm to HiVolt said by HiVolt: Thats good to hear. I think so.. in my opinion they are genuinely working with us to accomplish the task at hand.
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:21 pm ·
mikee join:2012-12-21 Gloucester, ON	mikee Member 2013-Jan-31 3:23 pm How do I know if im elidgible for the 45/7 package that has been talked about in this thread? Any date when this should be availible from TSI approx this package is veryyy good. With 1mb upload my brother cant even use skype or teamviewer without maxing the upstream then lags my downstream to the point i start to freeze on fps games.. You earlier said march-april will be when TekSavvy goes AGG? Just asking again so I know i understood that right, that would give everyone 35/3 who are on 28/1? Sorry I am new and I don't understand everything completely yet...
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:23 pm ·
Teddy Boom k kudos Received Premium Member join:2007-01-29 Toronto, ON 1 edit	Teddy Boom to koreyb Premium Member 2013-Jan-31 3:25 pm to koreyb said by koreyb: said by elitefx: Will the switch to AGG require the elimination of all Tek Docsis 2 modem tiers/users? Rogers DOES require D3 ONLY for the new higher down/up tiers. I would say anything but lite (6mb) cable will require D3 modems. D2 modems based on how rogers has their network built, just can't keep up. It isn't really related to how their network is built. However, Rogers has issued a letter stating that as of April (April 1st?) D2 will only be allowed on 6mbit. All existing customers will be grandfathered of course. Then again, reading those letters suggests that Rogers doesn't want to sell Teksavvy any new 18mbit or 28mbit accounts after April 16th: »Re: Update on matching Rogers new speeds? I have (edit: I have NOT) read the decision today, but reading between the lines it seems like the CRTC overruled that bit of stupidity, but....
	· actions · 2013-Jan-31 3:25 pm ·

Forums → O Canada! → Canadian → TekSavvy	« Bravo Distributel! • [DSL] DSL speed cut in half London area, anyone else? »
page: 1 · 2 · next
This is a sub-selection from CNOC speed matching decision due next week