 corster
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Re: Cruise line dead in the watersaid by dirtyjeffer0:i'm wondering if the built-in tender feature is not really used on newer boats, possibly in order to maximize space for rooms/entertainment/standard lifeboats...i would imagine dropping a couple of tender boats is kind of a pain in the ass to do at those ports when they can simply hire local companies...in the Caymans, the tender ship we were on held a couple hundred people...i'm not sure how big the life boats are, but i don't think they hold more than 40 people
It's precisely because the ships have gotten bigger that using lifeboats for tenders has become more practical - Most lifeboats on the larger ships have a minimum capacity of 150, If not more. The cruise lines have to lower some lifeboats anyways as part of crew safety drills (and to test the equipment on board the lifeboat, as most now have engines and basic navigational/communications equipment on board)... So they see the use of lifeboats for tenders as good practice for their crew, In the event they ever have to do it in an emergency. Not to mention the cost savings from not subcontracting it out. Most passengers never notice, but on most cruise lines, they usually do a crew only safety drill midway through a sailing (while in a port), and part of that includes lowering two or three lifeboats (I assume they rotate which lifeboats are lowered in order to test them all). It does vary by port though - some ports will not allow the cruise lines to operate their own tenders (Grand Cayman may be one of them) |
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 Txbronx cheers from cheap seats
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Tx
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2013-Feb-16 10:30 pm
Wasn't it you who posted this same link on page 1 or 2? Already read that one from someone at least. Guspaz - No one from what i read was complaining of cold, just no lights. People once survived without electricity, it can happen again. Heck if any more meteors start crossing our skies we may just have to lol (No disrespect to the 1100 or so injured in Russia. I can't imagine how that scared the crap out of those people) |
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2013-Feb-17 1:12 am
said by Tx:Guspaz - No one from what i read was complaining of cold, just no lights. People once survived without electricity, it can happen again. Heck if any more meteors start crossing our skies we may just have to lol (No disrespect to the 1100 or so injured in Russia. I can't imagine how that scared the crap out of those people) Not cold on the cruise ship, but you were saying take electricity away from people for a week and see what happens. Well, in 1998, during the ice storm, that did happen, most people lost power for a week or two, and 35 people died (well, some of those were because of the ice). You're talking about electricity like it's a luxury rather than a necessity, but it's not. There's a reason why it's illegal for power companies to cut off power for non-payment during certain months. Because if they do that, people don't only get inconvenienced, some of them die. Being able to heat your home to a livable temperature, being able to have hot food, being able to have running water, these are not luxuries. Even we, living in a major city, had to evacuate because of the lack of power. Not so much because we couldn't heat food, but because the temperature inside our house had dropped to almost 20 below zero during the worst of it. We're just not equipped to live in a house that is 20 below zero... At least food didn't spoil. |
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said by Guspaz: There's a reason why it's illegal for power companies to cut off power for non-payment during certain months. Urban myth around here, must be a Quebec thing. |
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2013-Feb-17 2:10 am
said by peterboro:said by Guspaz: There's a reason why it's illegal for power companies to cut off power for non-payment during certain months. Urban myth around here, must be a Quebec thing. I understand what you're saying Guspaz but It is a myth at least for Ontario. Same as how a landlord cannot evict you during winter months. People always thought they were safe to screw landlords during winter time only to learn the hard way. |
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said by peterboro:Urban myth around here, must be a Quebec thing. Maybe it's changed (or depends on the locale). More than 20 years ago I did some temp work for Brantford's PUC. They definitely did not cut hydro and water in winter months. They also did not cut to anyone ID'd as being on mother's allowance. |
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Generally, as far as I know most Utilities will not turn off your power completely in the winter for none payment of your bill. They will, however, install a load limiter which will restrict you to perhaps your furnace and fridge and maybe a light bulb or two. Try to use more than that and it will trip off.
BTW this is getting pretty far Off Topic from a discussion about a disabled cruise ship....... so don't tell any of the Mods about it. |
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said by Guspaz:We're just not equipped to live in a house that is 20 below zero... At least food didn't spoil.
Quebecois must be getting soft. We had no power for 5 days back in the 60's during an ice storm. Lived in Hudson, then. We survived. |
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neochu
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2013-Feb-17 5:44 pm
said by DKS:said by Guspaz:We're just not equipped to live in a house that is 20 below zero... At least food didn't spoil.
Quebecois must be getting soft. We had no power for 5 days back in the 60's during an ice storm. Lived in Hudson, then. We survived. I am wondering if it is inadequate preparation for that kind of thing more then it just becoming inhabitable. With the proper clothing, survival gear and fuel you could do it. (think of it as an extended extreme winter camping trip). But in these days who stores 5 days worth of propane/fuel in a urban environment (for those without gas appliances). On a cruise ship I don't think any disasters like this would EVER be foreseen but people did make poor decisions on survival. Though it would be hard with 4,000 people on board for something like that. There will be those who are not capable of dealing with that due to the law of averages. (could have been a legal evacuation order too). At the least you would have to worry about frozen pipes though =/ |
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peterboro (banned)Avatars are for posers
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2013-Feb-17 5:48 pm
said by neochu: But in these days who stores 5 days worth of propane/fuel in a urban environment (for those without gas appliances). peterboro does. |
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2013-Feb-17 5:51 pm
well your ahead of the curve on that one.
I have plenty of non-perishable food and water on hand but in an apartment storing that much volatile fuel would be dangerous and potentially illegal.
Plus if you have a heat source you can always melt snow for your water needs.
(back on topic with around 4000 people you see how hard it is when you hear the stories about "waste disposal issues" when a few could just ditch it over board. |
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said by DKS:Quebecois must be getting soft. We had no power for 5 days back in the 60's during an ice storm. Lived in Hudson, then. We survived. There's a difference between losing power for an extended period at 2 below versus 18 below. The situations were not at all comparable. |
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said by Guspaz:said by DKS:Quebecois must be getting soft. We had no power for 5 days back in the 60's during an ice storm. Lived in Hudson, then. We survived. There's a difference between losing power for an extended period at 2 below versus 18 below. The situations were not at all comparable. It was well below -2 at the time. We hauled all the mattresses down to the living room and slept in front of the fireplace (back in the day when many houses, especially in Quebec, has fireplaces). We melted snow for water and flushed the toilet with melted snow. As I thought, it was 1961quote:
February 25th and 26th, 1961
The Montreal area is paralyzed by one of the worst ice storm in its history. Wind gusts reaching 130 km/hr at times coupled with 30 mm of freezing rain are responsible for damages estimated at nearly 7 million dollars. It takes many days to restore power.
» www.climat-quebec.qc.ca/ ··· 60à1969BTW, that $7m in damage would be $55m today. |
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2013-Feb-17 10:32 pm
said by DKS: (back in the day when many houses, especially in Quebec, has fireplaces).
That's the key. If you have a "fireplace" in a new home these days, it's likely a fake gas or (if you're really unlucky) electric one. And that's the difference between surviving and freezing. |
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said by DKS:It was well below -2 at the time. We hauled all the mattresses down to the living room and slept in front of the fireplace (back in the day when many houses, especially in Quebec, has fireplaces). We melted snow for water and flushed the toilet with melted snow.
As I thought, it was 1961 quote:
February 25th and 26th, 1961
The Montreal area is paralyzed by one of the worst ice storm in its history. Wind gusts reaching 130 km/hr at times coupled with 30 mm of freezing rain are responsible for damages estimated at nearly 7 million dollars. It takes many days to restore power.
» www.climat-quebec.qc.ca/ ··· 60à1969BTW, that $7m in damage would be $55m today. The -2 comes from me looking up the actual temperatures during the 1961 ice storm. A few days did get colder, none got anywhere remotely as cold as the 1998 ice storm. The 1998 ice storm caused, in Quebec alone, an estimated damage of $2 billion. That would be 2.8 billion dollars in damage today. So, milder temperatures and $55 million of adjusted dollars in damage at a time when fireplaces were legal, or minus eighteen degrees and $2.8 billion of adjusted dollars in damage at a time when fireplaces are illegal? Methinks your 1961 ice storm, with up to 30mm of ice, was not quite as severe as the 1998 ice storm, with up to 120mm of ice. |
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yes i did, hoping someone would elaborate on it to understand it better..
i'm a bit slow... |
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2013-Feb-22 4:16 am
Triumph passengers bring class action against Carnival(Reuters) - The owner of the stricken Carnival Triumph cruise ship was hit by a lawsuit seeking class action status for stranding more than 3,000 passengers for five days on a ship without electricity or adequate sanitation. Carnival Corp should be held liable for physical and emotional anguish inflicted on the passengers as well as punitive damages, according to the lawsuit by Matt and Melissa Crusan. The lawsuit was filed on Monday in U.S. federal court in Miami. » ca.news.yahoo.com/triump ··· nce.html |
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2013-Feb-22 8:44 am
This breakdown is a godsend to some who can now envision wealth. |
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said by capdjq:This breakdown is a godsend to some who can now envision wealth.
the real reason for all the "hysteria"...$$$$. |
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