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Any advantage of using multiple usenet servers

I am currently subscribed to Giganews and usenet.net

Is there any advantage of having multiple usernet servers. It is highly important that the search I am performing are extremely intensive, and the files that are being downloaded are free from errors.

Will having multiple usenet accounts help me? I usually use NZBIndex and Mimo for my search. I feel that Mimo sometimes offers more results.
ophelus
join:2004-01-11
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I can only think of 3 primary reasons/advantadges..

- You have a lot of bandwidth available and you’re not getting it all used up or you have multiple IP's and you can't use full bandwidth without multiple logins from different ip's

- You have a lot incompletes and you need a "fill" server.. whether it's for incomplete par files or incomplete files (some people sign up for GB based fill servers)

- You are finding a lot of DMCA takedown and you need multiple servers for the ones that have the content you want..

(giganews/supernews/powerusenet used to for the record have the most "complete" files of any server.. but whether that's still true today..? I can't say.. haven't used them in a year or two? )
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said by use2me :

It is highly important that the search I am performing are extremely intensive, and the files that are being downloaded are free from errors.

Okay, first off.. usenet comes with errors.. the whole reason PAR was invented was because of server incomplete posts..

Let me flash you back to the year 2004 with usenet (is this the right year.. I can't remember?)

Okay back then you'd downloaded the dvd rip of gladiator

And it would come in DIVX format (xvid) whatever..? and you would download your 40 rar's in yenc (or the one before? ) at 700 Mb

But if 1 file was INCOMPLETE or damaged on your server.. the whole post was screwed.. aka it was USELESS (that doesn't count random passworded files too )

Anyway.. what you did in that early version usenet before NZB's and par2.. is you begged like crazy for the person to REPOST the file.. (because people talked on the groups back then.. and still do today.. I'm sure "somewhat" )

And then the person would POST what we called a fill and he would re-upload the damaged file and we'd all be happy that gladiator cd1 would extract
said by use2me :

It is highly important that the search I am performing are extremely intensive

It seems like you don't understand search index's very well..?

A search indexer is a service that downloads and compiles headers automatically from usenet groups and then creates automatically NZB files.. (some posts also come with NZB files these days)

A nzb was a new invention to usenet.. it didn't exist in 2004 when did it start 2006? I wasn't paying attention *cough*

What I'm trying to say very clearly here.. is unless you download "news headers" what exists in group vs. what is listed on a nzb index site can be 2 different things.. (and sometimes vice versa) not everything on usenet is index'd on websites..

So unless you’re doing a header search which takes a lot of time, bandwidth and sorting.. (minus nzb creating software and as X-PAT seems to be dead) your searching via a 3rd party site and their automatic header sorting or in some cases like they did with the real newzbin site sometimes editors sorted the files/data

Understanding usenet does take a bit of a education.. but welcome to the club

I ran my first incomplete usenet server in 2000-2001.. so I'm just a bit ahead of the curve

sfl0w
join:2010-07-20
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Well if you are looking to save yourself the headache of downloading tons of incomplete files, you need to do a couple of things:

1. Stop using Giganews because they are the biggest target for DMCA takedowns
2. Get a backup provider to fill in the missing parts from your primary server - preferably in the Netherlands because they are not subject to DMCA takedown request and they will have the parts you need for your downloads most of the time.

I used to use Giganews Mimo, but switched to Newshosting because of the price $10 vs. $35, the backup provider I use is Eweka - the combo has been a good one for me.
browngeek
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Hold on, before we get any further about explaining the benefits of multiple servers, I would just like to point out that the OP is using Giganews and usenet.net. Isn't usenet.net just a reseller of Giganews, so in effect the OP is using the same server, therefore the benefit of multiple servers it totally negated?
sandman_1
join:2011-04-23
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Yep, Usenet.net resells Giga.

Stem Bolt
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said by sfl0w:

I used to use Giganews Mimo, but switched to Newshosting because of the price $10 vs. $35, the backup provider I use is Eweka -

I thought Eweka is owned by Highwinds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought Eweka was bought by Highwinds awhile ago. Newshosting is also owned by Highwinds.

goober22
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join:2001-12-28
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The last I knew, Eweka (along with usenetserver, newshosting & easynews) were all resellers (or owned by) of betreibt direkt which itself was a reseller of Highwinds.
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As a backup Usenet provider it makes more economic sense to get a block account from blocknews and set it up as just a fill server. That way you don't get billed monthly for another account you are barely using, and you only download the missing parts from their.

Personally I have an Easynews Account as my primary provider, and I have a Blocknews account that I use for filling missing parts, I paid $11 for a 100gb block more than 2 years ago, and I've still got quite a bit left of that.

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Thanks for the detailed response. That makes it quite clear.

So which services will be preferably for me?

I want to take up multiple accounts to finish off missing files. Cause in many cases even after downloading PAR files, there are missing blocks.

Which will be a good combination. I don't mind have 2 or 3 different monthly accounts, but I need to get complete files.

Thanks in advance.

kingdome74
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I use Newshosting for main and Blocknews for fill. I get what I want, I'd say, 95% of the time.
Rojo31
join:2009-04-14
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said by ophelus:

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Thanks for the memories

sfl0w
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said by Stem Bolt:

I thought Eweka is owned by Highwinds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought Eweka was bought by Highwinds awhile ago. Newshosting is also owned by Highwinds.

That sounds right, however they are not using the same farm as Newshosting and others, just check it out and you will quickly see what I mean.
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To get better downloads I use »getnzb.com/ and as I wrote to their support and asked which backend provider they use they answered that they use different: Giganews, Highwinds, Xennanews and Xennews. In other words if you request a download you will be connected to all the providers and the system searches where the file is stil available. In this way the probability that you get the file is much higher as using only one provider and this seems to work for me.

sampson55555
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Getnzb sucks ass paid the 17 bucks used it one day and I coulnt get 50 percent of my downloads to work u have to use there software, on top of all that theees no way to check if its complete or not like sab without wasting your bandwith. I used them for a day and emailed them to try and get some sort of refund took 3 days to get back to me to tell me no with no options. One of the worst companies to try way better out there for how much they charge.