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AnonNWorried
Anon
2013-May-29 1:07 pm
So much more to it...Seriously this is why I do not want one of these devices in my home. An always on webcam on top of the least secure OS out there (Microsoft windows 8 runs on the machine with the gaming OS running on top of it...good news is that makes the XBOX OS hackable onto pretty much any windows computer...this will be the only fun thing coming out of this I think) sounds like a genius plan to me!
Xbox gets a worm or virus, your webcam is wide open to anyone watching. Sorry, your Kinect is wide open.
Hey new wardriving pasttime! Hack into the network, hack the xbox and case the house from the INSIDE, and decide if its worth breaking in. (they have a 400 dollar xbox you can steal if nothing else!)
Also how the hell does this not run afoul of COPPA and other child protection laws? This is a video game console, intended for all audiences. Having to have a microphone and webcam plugged in for it to work...just seems like putting kids needlessly at risk.
I loathe "think of the children" rhetoric but seriously this does seem to go too far. |
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 aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA
Asus RT-ACRH13
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aaronwt
Premium Member
2013-May-29 1:40 pm
said by AnonNWorried :Seriously this is why I do not want one of these devices in my home. An always on webcam on top of the least secure OS out there (Microsoft windows 8 runs on the machine with the gaming OS running on top of it...good news is that makes the XBOX OS hackable onto pretty much any windows computer...this will be the only fun thing coming out of this I think) sounds like a genius plan to me!
Xbox gets a worm or virus, your webcam is wide open to anyone watching. Sorry, your Kinect is wide open.
Hey new wardriving pasttime! Hack into the network, hack the xbox and case the house from the INSIDE, and decide if its worth breaking in. (they have a 400 dollar xbox you can steal if nothing else!)
Also how the hell does this not run afoul of COPPA and other child protection laws? This is a video game console, intended for all audiences. Having to have a microphone and webcam plugged in for it to work...just seems like putting kids needlessly at risk.
I loathe "think of the children" rhetoric but seriously this does seem to go too far.
There are already milions of Kinect 1.0 in homes that has video of the kids. If that is not an issue I don't see why Kinect 2.0 will be. I am looking forward to getting an XBOne and playing some great games on it. |
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I have kinect 1.0 already, as long as they aren't uploading the video itself to a server somewhere I don't care. Let them know when I'm in the room, etc. Maybe I don't care enough about privacy, but I don't see the big deal with data like this which is used for targeting advertising. |
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to AnonNWorried
This thing reminds me of the computer form the movie 2001 Space Odyssey... Creeps me out... |
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Problem with the Kinect 2.0 is that it must be plugged into the system for the Xbox One to work at all. If your Kinect 2.0 breaks you cannot use the Xbox One until you get a new Kinect 2.0. Microsoft is forcing the Kinect 2.0 on it's users even if they don't ever plan on using it.
The Kinect 1.0 is fine because it is completely optional and can be unplugged without locking you out of the console. |
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AnonNWorried to aaronwt
Anon
2013-May-29 4:17 pm
to aaronwt
You miss the point in that you can disconnect your kinect 1.0 and your xbox really won't even notice. on the One, it is integral to it currently (or MW is positioning it to appear to be integral). Meaning your Xbox will not function without it. That is a huge issue.
Secondly, the xbox runs on Windows 8. The XOS to run games runs on top of that (or in seperate hardware possibly, it would not surprise me to find out they run side by side actually). Every flaw in windows is now on your internet-connected web-cam and microphoned gaming computer. Every virus that comes out for Windows is a virus that can infect your xbox. |
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 DeathK
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DeathK
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2013-May-29 5:00 pm
said by AnonNWorried :Secondly, the xbox runs on Windows 8. The XOS to run games runs on top of that (or in seperate hardware possibly, it would not surprise me to find out they run side by side actually). Every flaw in windows is now on your internet-connected web-cam and microphoned gaming computer. Every virus that comes out for Windows is a virus that can infect your xbox.
Do you get off on spreading BS? I certainly hope you realize how wrong you are, and you just enjoy spreading FUD around. If you honestly believe the crap you post I suggest you seek help immediately. |
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badtrip
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2013-May-29 9:08 pm
What BS? Microsoft said themselves XB1 runs a Windows 8 kernel: As Xbox Chief Marc Whitten said briefly during his presentation, in addition to the Xbox OS and the shared partition, the One is running a “kernel of Windows,” which is rumored to be the NT core that’s a part of Windows 8/RT/Server 2012/Windows Phone 8, according to ZDNet. That means the new Xbox shares the same file system, networking, security, graphics (Direct X 11.1), and device drivers as its Windows relatives. » www.digitaltrends.com/co ··· -8-apps/Although it would be hard, it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that a XB1 could be compromised. |
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DeathK
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DeathK
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2013-May-29 11:04 pm
said by badtrip:What BS? Microsoft said themselves XB1 runs a Windows 8 kernel: Running a form of a Windows kernel (which is highly cut down, streamlined and specialized for use on a closed platform... really no different than the specialized OS's for the previous Xbox systems) is vastly different than running Windows 8 you see on PC's. Ask any developer who is working on it and they'll tell you the same thing (at least as much as they can without breaking NDA). The speculation and misinformation in your linked quote is staggering. That seems to be the norm across much of the internet though. Official details are either vague or non-existent thus far. But instead of waiting for more official details and clearer information a lot of people would rather speculate, make assumptions, jump to conclusions, make stuff up, and spread misinformation and FUD. They get a little vague quote here or a small sound byte there and they run hog wild. The only thing that accomplishes is generating hits on websites posting such dreck and stirring up shit on forums and comments sections. |
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Right. Trying to say the xbox is hackable because it's running "Windows 8" is absolutely ridiculous. The Xbox 360's kernel was custom made, but it only plays a small role. The chain of trust is really what kept the 360 secure for so long (even now, the only way to get in is complex hardware modifications that trick the system into bypassing security checks). There's no reason to think that the One would be less secure if they switched to a kernel based on NT. Assuming the on-chip ROM can keep the kernel from being modified, the hypervisor/virtual machine is the important part, and, to my knowledge, there's only been a handful of bugs found in the 360's hypervisor. The actual "Windows" software (excluding the windows-based kernel) will be running inside a virtual machine, along side a separate virtual machine running the xbox OS. Obviously nobody knows how secure MS's implementation will ultimately be, but they did pretty damn well on the 360. A Windows-based desktop OS is inherently less secure because it must run any code the user wants. With the Xbox One, you can bet your ass every single piece of code on the One will be signed and the hypervisor will encrypt memory, prevent overflows, do error checking, etc, on the off-chance arbitrary code execution does occur. More info here: » www.free60.org/Xbox_Software |
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