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LazMan
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join:2003-03-26
Welland, ON

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Re: Third party DSL login for failover

A secondary DSL login would offer pretty limited protection, IMO - if your ISP has a failure, you'd be good with the secondary login, but if it's loss of sync or physical problem, you're still boned.

If network connectivity is that critical, I'd think that either a cellular tether/hot-spot or low usage cable connection would be far better protection...

vsavulian
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join:2002-11-26
ON

vsavulian

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I already have a Rogers 45/4 unlimited circuit for bulk traffic. The DSL line is for VoIP and office VPN.

Line sync is rarely the issue at least on my circuit, however my current DSL provider tends to be iffy when it comes to routing.

An alternate DSL login would add yet another layer of redundancy to my rig.

pstewart
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join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON

pstewart

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said by vsavulian:

I already have a Rogers 45/4 unlimited circuit for bulk traffic. The DSL line is for VoIP and office VPN.

Line sync is rarely the issue at least on my circuit, however my current DSL provider tends to be iffy when it comes to routing.

An alternate DSL login would add yet another layer of redundancy to my rig.

What I don't understand is that if your ISP has "iffy routing" sometimes or as someone else responded saying they were having authentication issues with their ISP.... then why not switch to a different provider that doesn't experience those issues? To me that's a simple solution as there's no shortage of wholesale providers out there.... just sayin....

vsavulian
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ON

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vsavulian

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said by pstewart:

What I don't understand is that if your ISP has "iffy routing" sometimes or as someone else responded saying they were having authentication issues with their ISP.... then why not switch to a different provider that doesn't experience those issues? To me that's a simple solution as there's no shortage of wholesale providers out there.... just sayin....

I gave a few a try. Each and every one I tried had its own issues. Some haul Ontario traffic off to Montreal before peering it off. Others haul European traffic through low end peers resulting in high latency and jitter. My current ISP, Teksavvy, experiences packet loss in the evening.

Logins would also be great to test a provider's network without having to go through new signups and the associated costs and mess.

pstewart
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join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON

pstewart

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Now that's a valid reason in my opinion (speaking personally). Let me look into the "trial login" concept with our internal folks and see if it's possible.

HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON

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said by pstewart:

What I don't understand is that if your ISP has "iffy routing" sometimes or as someone else responded saying they were having authentication issues with their ISP.... then why not switch to a different provider that doesn't experience those issues? To me that's a simple solution as there's no shortage of wholesale providers out there.... just sayin....

Switching isn't an easy thing nowadays, with incumbents levying heavy installation & activation fees. switching every couple months because an ISP's network may not be what you're looking for is not feasible, not to mention the potential downtime.

pstewart
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join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON

pstewart

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There's some valid technical reasons here for the login only account but I checked with our internal folks and we can't offer it. It's more of a logistical issue than technical - sorry, I tried

I wish there was a way that we could - would be a nice way to show off our network to potential customers.
InvalidError
join:2008-02-03

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said by LazMan:

if your ISP has a failure, you'd be good with the secondary login, but if it's loss of sync or physical problem, you're still boned.

Out of the dozen or so times where I had service disruptions on DSL, there was only one time where it was due to the phone line/DSLAM themselves. All other times were TSI-specific issues between Bell's BAS and TSI's servers/routers.

So for the types of failures I have personally witnessed, a secondary login from a different ISP would have solved my problem 90-95% of the time; the bulk of which being authentication issues.

Once the hard-line is up and working properly, it rarely fails. I recently had a Bell tech visit to setup DSL at my new address and the visit took nearly two hours - turned out the first DSLAM port he tried had an unmapped failure: only 12dB SNRM and unable to hold sync at any speed for more than a minute even with both my ST516 and Bell's own modem. One port switch later and my old ST516 is up at 8.5Mbps and 27dB SNRM; should be clear-sailing from there - at least until the next bout of authentication failures.