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josephf
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2013-Jul-11 12:48 pm
LTE is the Golden EggLTE is deployed wirelessly with a significantly reduced cost compared to laying fiber to residences. And it provides high speeds comparable to wiring. |
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redxii Mod join:2001-02-26 Michigan Asus RT-AC3100 Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH2
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redxii
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2013-Jul-11 1:04 pm
It's EXPENSIVE to the consumer. We finally get a 4G signal, and our only means of internet other than satellite and dial-up. Data plans are expensive, and with $15/GB overages. We have to be careful not to check too many e-mails.
So, no thanks to LTE being the only viable option.
I can't Stream/download videos or buy & download new games or update existing ones on LTE without incurring significant overages. I can finally play online due to LTE's significantly reduced lag, but I am forced to keep them updated if I wish to do so and often updates on Steam are huge. |
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I'm not discussing retail cost. I'm discussing wholesale cost to install LTE by carriers compared to having to lay underground wiring to homes. LTE is much cheaper.
Eventually that savings will trickle down to consumers. |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
tshirt
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2013-Jul-11 1:32 pm
Really don't see current LTE being the ultimate choice but it is a stepping stone towards more widespread coverage. eventually strand mount LTE (or similar) could handle the "last half mile" (really a few hundred feet) eliminating the expensive drop and house wiring AND Wi-Fi/cell coverage. but right now LTE can temporarily cover large unwired areas surround existing and new fiber backhaul "PoP's" working fiber deeper into the last mile AND quickly providing an alternative to existing service if any/ A service, if none. Yes it is expensive. that's reality. |
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO |
to josephf
haha NO.... you think they will lower the cost YOUR INSANE the whole point of why ATT and VZN want to force people on to wireless is that they can charge any thing they want for it short of FCC rules banning data caps itll never happen |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
tshirt
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2013-Jul-11 2:04 pm
said by elios:short of FCC rules banning data caps itll never happen How would that ever work? Jonny can afford one bag of dog food a month, and feeds his dog very well. the FCC sees Jonny's well fed dog and orders him to feed ALL dogs with the one bag of food. Day 2 the hungry pack eats' Jonny.... ... and the FCC, and then pukes in you slippers! |
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elios
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2013-Jul-11 2:12 pm
you never run out of bits
it doesnt work like that the bits flow even if no one uses the net work
i could transfer data over my home network from one PC to the next at 1Gbps all day every day and ever run out of bits as long as the router has power
the issue with ISPs is they over subscribe this just proves the short coming of wireless as there is finite spectrum and only so many people can be conencted to a tower
with fiber there is nearly infinite spectrum and we are pushing more and more again still the issue is over subscribing
imo just give every one an open fiber line that will go as fast as the network will let it TCP/IP will take care of the rest sure it might slow down at prime time a bit if the back hauls to the local nodes dont have the bandwidth but that not really an issue ether
this is how Google is doing things any way |
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Fiber is the Golden EggHook every household in the USA to a fiber infrastructure and you're done. Wireless is not the way to do this because of the limited spectrum.
LTE is only good for the telco's since they charge based on usage. It could be a good patch if the telco's would simply allow unlimited usage at a fixed price in low populated areas that have no other viable options but they'll never do that. |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
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Re: LTE is the Golden EggSomeone has to build and maintain that capacity, the fiber isn't free, the ducting isn't free, the NOC, and routers aren't free, and for most people the RoW and power isn't free. And in fact the work to increase fiber throughput isn't free nor is the new equipment to make it work. But MOST OF all the MONEY to finance all this , to build and run this and have it all in place BEFORE you send in one monthly payment ISN"T free. when you and 300 million of your friends save up enough pennies to build it, THEN you can have it at cost (which isn't free). |
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Crusty join:2008-11-11 Sanger, TX |
Crusty
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2013-Jul-11 4:12 pm
said by tshirt:Someone has to build and maintain that capacity, the fiber isn't free, the ducting isn't free, the NOC, and routers aren't free, and for most people the RoW and power isn't free. And in fact the work to increase fiber throughput isn't free nor is the new equipment to make it work. But MOST OF all the MONEY to finance all this , to build and run this and have it all in place BEFORE you send in one monthly payment ISN"T free. when you and 300 million of your friends save up enough pennies to build it, THEN you can have it at cost (which isn't free). Ya know...for a second I thought that it was all of those extra fees and base monthly bill I pay that is supposed to "bring" me faster/updated speeds over time. I also thought that part of what I pay each month is to go to line the pockets of the company. I've had it wrong all these years now. Because of your logic, you've made me realize that everything I pay every month goes only to the bottom line. Thanks for clearing that up for me. |
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tshirt Premium Member join:2004-07-11 Snohomish, WA |
tshirt
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2013-Jul-11 4:44 pm
Learn to read Crusty The upgrades are constant, not instant and come after existing bills and employees and investors are paid. I have no idea what extra fees you pay or what the base monthly charge is for the unknown ISP you pay are. But I do know that you apparently think they are worth it, because you keep paying it. If not you should find a different hobby/job/whatever you get back from the internet. |
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silbaco Premium Member join:2009-08-03 USA |
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said by elios:haha NO.... you think they will lower the cost YOUR INSANE the whole point of why ATT and VZN want to force people on to wireless is that they can charge any thing they want for it short of FCC rules banning data caps itll never happen People keep saying that, yet At&t has yet to release a wireless product to replace landlines. So we really have no idea what they plan on charging for it. |
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elios join:2005-11-15 Springfield, MO |
elios
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2013-Jul-11 6:13 pm
VZN has and they are charging the same you can expect ATT to do the same as long as the FCC doesnt put any rules in place |
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Crusty join:2008-11-11 Sanger, TX |
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said by tshirt:Learn to read Crusty The upgrades are constant, not instant and come after existing bills and employees and investors are paid. I have no idea what extra fees you pay or what the base monthly charge is for the unknown ISP you pay are. But I do know that you apparently think they are worth it, because you keep paying it. If not you should find a different hobby/job/whatever you get back from the internet. *steps up on sarcasm box* Go back and re-read my original response to you. In it you'll find the words "over time". Thus implying that I already have a really good understanding of how the whole "upgrades" work. Problem is that my current ISP (see just below), I'm just going to use a simple word phrase for you, "is a big meanie". Since you are obviously much more seasoned on DSLR than I am, I don't have to tell you that for you to see who my ISP is as simple as reading one of the reviews I've given. It's all there. I can help decipher them for you if you'd like. Let me know. If you actually read my reviews you'll find out pretty quick why I must "keep paying it". *steps off sarcasm box* |
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said by josephf:I'm not discussing retail cost. I'm discussing wholesale cost to install LTE by carriers compared to having to lay underground wiring to homes. LTE is much cheaper.
Eventually that savings will trickle down to consumers. You, and people that think like you, are utter fucking morons. Consider this: I live, officially, in the "Metro Atlanta Area", served(a fucking joke) by AT&T. We only have access Verizon Wireless "Mobile Broadband", which is now(has been for a while now) Band 13(700 MHz) LTE, or going with satellite "broadband"(if a provider will accept us, which some are at or over capacity). Satellite service is no better, in, actually, is far worse than what I have now. I pay $80 for 10 GB of data, plus $10 per 1 GB over that 10 GB allotment, each month. Oh, but I don't actually pay $80, as expecting two adults to use only 10 GB a month for the only data connection available isn't realistic. Also, we don't use any video streaming service, save for watching less than 15 "low setting"(144p or 240p) YouTube videos a month. In fact, all we do is retrieve email, pull webpages(through Firefox with NoScript, Ghostery, and other addons), and apply updates to our Xbox 360s, PS3s, and our computers, with some reservations. Given that, our average bill(yes, average, not what our highest bill has been) is $450 a month. While we do live in a rural area, we own our home(actually own it; we don't owe a bank money for our home or property) and the area we live in has more than enough potential customers to make providing wireline broadband effective. The issue is AT&T doesn't give a shit, and Comcast refuses to offer anything other than cable television(no broadband at all). 80 percent, or more, of the county I live in(Haralson, just north of Carroll County and I-20, and east of the Alabama State line) has no access to affordable broadband, including any wireline-based broadband. Much of this county is still covered by EDGE service, not UMTS/HSPA(+)/LTE through AT&T Wireless. This idiot Comcast executive can come live out here for a week, and see how irritating it is to live out here. Even with LTE service, we don't get to experience the true benefits of internet access. When I had access to wireline broadband, I was using 300+ GB a month; now I barely go near 50 GB, with much of that service use going through my girlfriend, who is doing work at home for AT&T. The irony abounds. |
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I see; you are entitled to faster internet. And Comcast, Verizon and AT&T must build it for you and your neighbors. They, of course, owe it to you. Because you want it. And they have to bring it to you.
Of course they mustn't charge you more than you want to pay. Because, as we said, they owe it to you.
Why don't you build it yourself instead of demanding others do it for you? |
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