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aaronwt
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When are they...

going to lock that Snowden rat up? He signed nondisclosure agreements and then disclosed classified info. If he can't do the time he should not do the crime.
If he can't take his punishment like a man, then he should have never released any info. What an ass.

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Re: When are they...

said by aaronwt:

going to lock that Snowden rat up? He signed nondisclosure agreements and then disclosed classified info. If he can't do the time he should not do the crime.
If he can't take his punishment like a man, then he should have never released any info. What an ass.

Maybe the question should be When are they going to lock up these fascist pigs who trod all over the Constitutional Rights of EVERY CITIZEN????

Snowden gets a ticker-tape parade.

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said by aaronwt:

going to lock that Snowden rat up? He signed nondisclosure agreements and then disclosed classified info. If he can't do the time he should not do the crime.
If he can't take his punishment like a man, then he should have never released any info. What an ass.

Maybe the question should be When are they going to lock up these fascist pigs who trod all over the Constitutional Rights of EVERY CITIZEN????

Snowden gets a ticker-tape parade.

Snowden should get the death penalty. But didn't they take that off the table?

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You are absolutely right.

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He deserves an award and enough money to live comfortably wherever he chooses.

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He deserves an award and enough money to live comfortably wherever he chooses.

Six feet under perhaps

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In the short view, no. In the medium view, sure, that's everyone's ultimate future. In the long view, history remembers fondly those who risked their own hide to expose government wrongdoing. It's just the short view people who don't understand it. Notice how no one's rushing to defend J. Edgar Hoover anymore.

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Notice how no one's rushing to defend J. Edgar Hoover anymore.

Although there are many in Washington that swear he's still alive... or at least aren't taking any chances. LOL

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said by aaronwt:

Snowden should get the death penalty. But didn't they take that off the table?

That may have been a one time offer, but with Manning avoiding the death penalty, it will be hard to shoot a civilian.
Life in jail/solitary (can't keep your mouth shut?) would be a worse punishment for someone that age anyway.

Justice means little today, they gave OJ a parole today from his longest sentence, still has to survive another 4-10 to get out, should have said NEVER.
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Death Penalty lmao. Surely you jest...

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said by aaronwt:

Snowden should get the death penalty.

Because telling the truth is punishable by death now.

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Snowden should get the death penalty.

Because telling the truth is punishable by death now.

It's not about telling the truth. The government has done many things for decades this is nothing new. They just don't usually declassify them for fifty years or so.

It has nothing to do with the truth or lies. You sign a document not to disclose classified data. How many thousands or tens of thousands of other people know classified info and maybe wanted to tell people about it but didn't? They signed an agreement not to talk about this info just like Snowden did.

But for some reason Snowden feels like he is special. He is not telling us anything new. He did the crime now he needs to do the time for it. We already know he is guilty because he has admitted to doing it. So any trial would just be a formality.

Again it has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It's about him breaking the agreements he signed and being a man and taking the punishment for what he did.

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It's not that he feels that he's special, it's that he feels that publicly releasing the information he has is more important than his agreement not to. Does he get to decide? No, legally he doesn't. But morally, I agree with him, because the government IS doing more "data collection" than I'm comfortable with (and more than, I believe, the constitution allows them to) and sometimes doing the right thing means to hell with the law.

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Which violation of law was greater? Snowden telling the truth or out of control government agencies violating people's constitutional rights by the millions? If we are going to insist on death or prison for criminals, let's insist that it applies to ALL criminals.
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said by aaronwt:

It's not about telling the truth. The government has done many things for decades this is nothing new. They just don't usually declassify them for fifty years or so.

It has nothing to do with the truth or lies. You sign a document not to disclose classified data. How many thousands or tens of thousands of other people know classified info and maybe wanted to tell people about it but didn't? They signed an agreement not to talk about this info just like Snowden did.

But for some reason Snowden feels like he is special. He is not telling us anything new. He did the crime now he needs to do the time for it. We already know he is guilty because he has admitted to doing it. So any trial would just be a formality.

Again it has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It's about him breaking the agreements he signed and being a man and taking the punishment for what he did.

Needs to do the time for it? How about the people who conspired to usurp the fourth amendment... when are they going to do their time? After they are locked up or executed as the traitors they are I would fully support Snowden coming home to face the music... until then there is no justice in him returning.

The concept of the government being allowed to hide illegal behavior behind a 'top secret' classification and an NDA is completely ridiculous. The fact that people try to hold an NDA superior to the Constitution is really sad and shows a fundamental lack of legal understanding. No contract is valid when the agreement will cause or allow the parties to engage in activity that is illegal. The NDA is meaningless in that context. The real question here is was the government's behavior justified. From the furor surrounding Snowden's revelations both in Congress and in the public discourse, I would say obviously not.

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said by aaronwt:

said by DataRiker:

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Snowden should get the death penalty.

Because telling the truth is punishable by death now.

It's not about telling the truth. The government has done many things for decades this is nothing new. They just don't usually declassify them for fifty years or so.

It has nothing to do with the truth or lies. You sign a document not to disclose classified data. How many thousands or tens of thousands of other people know classified info and maybe wanted to tell people about it but didn't? They signed an agreement not to talk about this info just like Snowden did.

But for some reason Snowden feels like he is special. He is not telling us anything new. He did the crime now he needs to do the time for it. We already know he is guilty because he has admitted to doing it. So any trial would just be a formality.

Again it has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It's about him breaking the agreements he signed and being a man and taking the punishment for what he did.

No, it's about telling the truth. Free societies don't have much room for secret unaccountable agencies.

Sorry you feel a nondisclosure agreement is more important than that.
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Probably 90% of what they classify has nothing to do with security, but is classified to protect the public from seeing their wrong doing. Just like this. This is NOT classified for national security it was classified to hide it because it violates the constitution and should be exposed and Snowden is a hero for exposing it.

Classified documents should actually have something to do with protecting the sovereignty of the country and it's people and should always be available to members of congress at all times. WE elected them to protect and service us, they appointed most of the clowns that get to deem something's classification. It should NOT be used to hide wrong doing by our government. EVERY attempt to classify something should be reviewed and approved through a process that decides it is being classified to actually protect the security of the country, not to protect the idiots that are doing it.

Claiming this was classified so that the "enemy" isnt tipped off is surely no reason to classify something. Do you think they are going to close this down now that it is public because it can't work any more? Absolutely not, they will continue to violate our rights as much as they can and they will continue to do it under the guise of national security and classifications. That alone shows its true intention for being classified.
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Claiming this was classified so that the "enemy" isnt tipped off is surely no reason to classify something. Do you think they are going to close this down now that it is public because it can't work any more? Absolutely not, they will continue to violate our rights as much as they can and they will continue to do it under the guise of national security and classifications. That alone shows its true intention for being classified.

Precisely! They claim it must be kept secret so the enemy doesn't know how it is being used. Now that 'the enemy' does know, that must defeat their previous claim and negate the tools effectiveness (and i use that term loosely!). If that were true, they would stop using it now that it is out in the open and, by their whining, ineffective.

The truth is that they kept it hidden because they knew it was a violation of the Constitution and didn't want people to find out they were breaking the law.

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It all makes much more sense when you figure out that WE, you, me, our barbers, our mechanics, the telephone guy, the waitress at the diner, the guy who runs the coffee shop... ALL of US, are THEIR "enemy".
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Amazing how some people still feel the government is right in this, now we see why they wanted him for treason at first, he apparently has a lot more info to give.

I have a feeling that these events may be looked at in history as the start of something special. It might be a revolution and I hope it's non violent, but there is to be a revolution.
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Revolutions are rarely non-violent.
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Every Fascist government has had its supporters, this one is no different. History has proven beyond a doubt that they are on the wrong side.

Long Live Snowden and the many others that will follow in his footsteps!!

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concur.
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As somebody whose family includes Jewish blood, and whose Great-Grandparents escaped Germany in 1937, I find your statement patently absurd and offensive. You may distrust our Government, you may think that what the NSA is doing is morally wrong, unconstitutional, ineffective at preventing terrorism, or all of the above. But equating it to fascism? That just shows how poorly you understand history and how absurd your hyperbole really is.

Nothing the NSA does is aimed at domestic actors. They don't care if you're sleeping around on your wife. They don't even care if you're planning to murder her, and if you do murder her they will not lift a finger to help local authorities capture and convict you. They do care if you're working with foreign actors to commit acts of terrorism and/or treason against American citizens and American interests. That's their mandate. That has always been their mandate; to monitor the communications of our enemies while securing the communications of Americans, both civilians, corporate, and Government.

You want to know what real fascism is? Try being a gay person in Russia, that bastion of liberty where Snowden is setting up shop. Try your hand at journalism in Ecuador, Cuba, or the PRC, all countries that rate high on his list and those of his Wikileaks comrades.

Snowden is guilty of providing aid and comfort to the enemies of these United States. I would not feel that way if he just had chosen to leak the programs with domestic implications (the metadata collection), but he couldn't stop there. The POS runs to a communist country, leaks the details of national security programs aimed at that country, and others (Iran) that are hostile towards us, all the while trying to cloak himself as a champion of freedom and liberty?

Deep Throat didn't leak the abuses that he saw to foreign journalists. He didn't include details of black hat operations that exclusively targeted foreign countries. He leaked the relevant information about Nixon's domestic abuses to American media outlets. No more, no less. Deep Throat is a hero. Daniel Ellsberg is a hero. Edward Snowden is a traitor, who in the best case will spend the rest of his life living in third world shitholes. Never quite trusted by his hosts (nobody trusts a traitor, least of all those who he defects to) and never quite assimilated into their culture.

Enjoy Russia you useless piece of shit. Hope you don't discover yourself to be a homosexual in a few years.....

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Snowden is a HERO who sacrificed everything to defend the rights of the people of the United States and the Constitution of the United States.

I hope that you don't wake up some day and wish that you were still free.
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said by Crookshanks:

As somebody whose family includes Jewish blood, and whose Great-Grandparents escaped Germany in 1937, I find your statement patently absurd and offensive. You may distrust our Government, you may think that what the NSA is doing is morally wrong, unconstitutional, ineffective at preventing terrorism, or all of the above. But equating it to fascism? That just shows how poorly you understand history and how absurd your hyperbole really is.

Perhaps if you spent less time being 'offended' by my posts and more time actually looking at what our government has been doing over the last few decades you would see that fascism is exactly the direction we are heading. My statement goes way beyond the most recent NSA revelations. Wikipedia's entry on Fascism states "Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that stronger nations have the right to obtain land and resources by displacing weaker nations." I would be hard pressed to come up with a better description for the US over the past 20 years (or those that wish to see Snowden drawn & quartered). Are you even aware that many in our government are actively trying to make journalism here as hostile as possible? Any media outlet that isn't fully on board and supportive of the propaganda becomes a target; and you consider that freedom? And please spare me the 'NSA is the good guys' speech... it stinks like fertilizer a mile away. The secret 'facts' simply don't support that assertion. Remember, Fascism is rooted in secrecy and public deceit.

I would suggest you put your personal anecdotes on the back burner and research what Fascism is. Nazi Germany may be one famous example but it is by no means definitive. Neither do I claim that the US government is a definitive example but if you are unable to associate the actions of our government to Fascism in the slightest, I would say your interpretation is not genuine.

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Snowden gets a ticker-tape parade.

I don't think they do those at the Russian airports cause the confetti messes up the planes engines.
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going to lock that Snowden rat up?

He is already in a prison, it just has a duty-free store.
Sooner or later he'll get back to a US jail cell.
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Since when is he in jail?

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Since when is he in jail?

He's just spewing the same old "Amerika, Land of the Free" propaganda. I guess he's this Government's version of Pravda here at DSLR.

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Since when is he in jail?

What would you call a month stuck in the Moscow airport? with country after country rejecting his plea for mercy. He can't even get a room at the red square Y(KGB).

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Since when is he in jail?

What would you call a month stuck in the Moscow airport?

I would call it a million times better than any American prison/jail
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The same time when they arrest the wall st bankers who crashed the economy.