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But...Will the picture quality be better than a 1080p bluray disk? |
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 FFH5
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2013-Sep-23 11:01 am
said by buzz_4_20:Will the picture quality be better than a 1080p bluray disk? Unlikely |
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course not when a quality blu ray is around 40mbps.
15mbps 4k will be unwatchable! |
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That is the idea on 4k ON RESOLUTION. The question is optically do you really need it. In many cases 720p at sufficient distance and screen size is all one can resolve.
The more disturbing things are macroblocks, color saturation, and gradation which is more of a transcoding issue than a resolution issue.
As a matter of fact, resolution is like 3rd or 4th on the most important aspects of a pleasing user experience.
To me 4k is like 3d, the next attempt at TV manufacturers to prop up margins with a dubious product. |
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I agree elefante72. There are many people who buy into the whole 1080p hype but they don't have the right TV or distance to take advantage of it. » s3.carltonbale.com/resol ··· art.htmlThis chart is right on the money. You will notice 1080p quality on a 60 inch tv at 7.5 inches to 10 feet away. For those of you with 40 inch TVs, you won't see a difference until you get 7.5 feet away or less. |
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Blu-ray (correct spelling) can get up to 50 Mbps. |
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Nope not at all. You are talking about extreme compression. A 4K video uncompressed is 600MB/s . Modern hard drives can not even read at that bit-rate. » entertainment.slashdot.o ··· th-4k-tv |
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I have to mostly agree, I've seen Lord of the Rings on a 55" 240hz TV and it looks stunningly awesome.
There were a few times when compression artifacts could be noticed, but I'm sure it could be fixed with a better codec and/or slightly higher bit-rate.
I won't say no to 4k, but it is mostly hype and not worth paying a premium to beta-test early access.
For me, *currently* the bit-rate matters more than the resolution because a 3.5mb stream from Netflix doesn't cut it, even though it does look decent. |
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Or in other words, UHD means either bring a projector to the party and measure your screen in feet, or feel free to stick with 1080p. |
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Blu-ray's are wasteful of the medias space. They're using bits for the sake of using bits not doing so because it is necessary. |
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Re: But...Which is just wasting disk space for no reason. |
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Not on a 100" screen. Sounds like you have a puny one. |
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Actually... he is sort of right.
Blu-ray was designed with MPEG2 in mind. For MPEG 2 we needed the capacity. H.264 on the otherhand, can give amazing results at 1/4 the bitrate. |
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LOL. You sound like one of those audiophiles. |
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Not sort of.
You don't need such a high bit rate to have amazing quality especially with a good H.264 encoder. Netflix's 7-8 Mbps is low but you don't need to jump all the way up to 30Mbps to have such high quality either. |
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I guess you mean videophile. Yes big screen home theaters are awesome. I would agree that 4k is an industry overkill money grab though. |
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said by gjrhine:I guess you mean videophile. Yes big screen home theaters are awesome. I would agree that 4k is an industry overkill money grab though. No, I was poking fun at you. Yes they are and I have a big screen home theater and have for many years. It's not a money grab at all. 3D was but 3D won't take off until they get rid of the glasses and produce sets that can do 3D without them which are coming. |
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Yes I have a Runco (which I think is up in your part of the world somewhere) LED PJ . |
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yes distance is a big help. with 1080p content. its like why is their 1080 cell phone screen on 4 inches of screen. no point in that |
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said by firedrakes:yes distance is a big help. with 1080p content. its like why is their 1080 cell phone screen on 4 inches of screen. no point in that Unless you like putting your face right on the screen.  |
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Re: But...I agree as well. I don't think 4k is needed unless the majority of people plan on having 80 inch tv's in their homes. You don't need that resolution unless you have a really big screen or are sitting very close to the screen.
I also don't get why companies like netflix are jumping board before offering bluray quality 1080p. Cable companies did this with digital cable. Compressed digital cable in SD looks like shit. Take the same SD footage from a DVD and it looks ok (not fantasic like HD, but ok). Its like Netflix is promoting a waterdown version of the next generation product before refining the current tech. At full bluray quality you really don't need 4k until you have an 80 inch tv.... |
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The screen has nothing to do with it. |
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ROFL. No it can't.
H.264 needs at least 20 Mbps @ 1080p. Anything lower and the detail loss starts to get very noticeable. |
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That's a complete load of crap. |
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Quite true. People don't seem to understand how big TVs need to be. One of my coworkers thinks I'm nuts for having a 60" TV at 9 feet, and he refuses to believe the experts at THX, who put my TV as a bit on the SMALL side. |
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said by buzz_4_20:Will the picture quality be better than a 1080p bluray disk? Seriously doubt it. |
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