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Re: [Rant] Amazon now using no-name shipping companies for Primesaid by r81984:said by MumOpti :Amazon should offer a "Prime Plus" service where YOU get to choose the shipper. That I would pay for. Well at least tracking numbers should work and be up to date. Then I could care less what they used when I know when to expect the package and if it was on time. Today I have two packages coming and these are on time as the no-name shipper made it to USPS in time for the delivery truck. They used a no-name untrackable company to deliver to my local post office at 4:30am and then went out on a USPS truck at 9:30 am and is still out for delivery (usually USPS shows up about 1 to 2pm). USPS is a great shipper, but the unknown untrackable no-name shipper that delivers directly to my local post office is the problem. The previous times the packages did not make the morning USPS truck so then they were a day late as they had to go on the next days truck. This change over to no-name untrackable shippers started two weeks ago. Previously all packages were UPS and Fedex, now they are the no-name untrackable shipper and USPS. I really cant see how two delivery companies are cheaper than using just one, so I dont understand amazon's actions unless the no-name shipping company is actually amazon employees. Maybe most prime customers dont care about on time shipping as they dont complain so amazon could just be playing the customer complaint numbers game. I don't need to state the obvious but Amazon is reducing costs by using the shipping method you describe. It is also obvious that the USPS is making deliveries at a loss and the USPS is just trying to get its hands on any business it can. Amazon is large enough to play the USPS, UPS, and FedEx against each other for getting the lowest possible delivery terms. My guess is that the 'no name' shipper is Amazon themselves or a contracted local/regional carrier. My opinion of the USPS differs from yours. 99.5% of all shipping problems I encounter are with the USPS and not UPS or FedEx. |
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The USPS is not taking a loss. The packages are delivered right to the local post office then loaded into the carriers delivery vehicles. So absolutely no logistics for the post office except the "last mile" delivery that will happen anyway. The mailman is going to drive right down that road regardless.
Contrary to everyone blaming the post office, you should be blaming UPS/FedEx/carrier X. The post office is not going to wait around until 3pm for their trucks to arrive.
I've never had a single package lost by the post office. I can't count how many have never shown up with UPS. |
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drslash (banned)Goya Asma
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2014-Jun-19 2:54 pm
said by dmxrob6:The USPS is not taking a loss. The packages are delivered right to the local post office then loaded into the carriers delivery vehicles. So absolutely no logistics for the post office except the "last mile" delivery that will happen anyway. The mailman is going to drive right down that road regardless.
Contrary to everyone blaming the post office, you should be blaming UPS/FedEx/carrier X. The post office is not going to wait around until 3pm for their trucks to arrive.
I've never had a single package lost by the post office. I can't count how many have never shown up with UPS. What you don't know is a lot. The USPS is operating at a loss today. The losses are so huge that taking on business from Amazon will not make a dent in those losses. The USPS taking on business from Amazon will increase their costs. You can't take on additional volume and not increase costs. The USPS will hire more federal unionized workers to handle the increased volume. When Amazon pulls the rug out and goes back to UPS or FedEx then the USPS is holding the bag for excess labor force that can't be laid off. My guess is that the Amazon USPS relationship in the OP's area is a pilot program. Once the lousy feedback from customers hits Amazon, they will drop the USPS as a carrier partner. |
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2014-Jun-19 3:19 pm
Whatever. Good luck with your theories. I got better things to do. |
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 chip89
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Me to I don't trust USPS with more then $50! I want something & the seller usually uses USPS but there is no chance in Hell I will let them use USPS. (It costs 1,400 & It's custom) |
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said by drslash:said by r81984:said by MumOpti :Amazon should offer a "Prime Plus" service where YOU get to choose the shipper. That I would pay for. Well at least tracking numbers should work and be up to date. Then I could care less what they used when I know when to expect the package and if it was on time. Today I have two packages coming and these are on time as the no-name shipper made it to USPS in time for the delivery truck. They used a no-name untrackable company to deliver to my local post office at 4:30am and then went out on a USPS truck at 9:30 am and is still out for delivery (usually USPS shows up about 1 to 2pm). USPS is a great shipper, but the unknown untrackable no-name shipper that delivers directly to my local post office is the problem. The previous times the packages did not make the morning USPS truck so then they were a day late as they had to go on the next days truck. This change over to no-name untrackable shippers started two weeks ago. Previously all packages were UPS and Fedex, now they are the no-name untrackable shipper and USPS. I really cant see how two delivery companies are cheaper than using just one, so I dont understand amazon's actions unless the no-name shipping company is actually amazon employees. Maybe most prime customers dont care about on time shipping as they dont complain so amazon could just be playing the customer complaint numbers game. I don't need to state the obvious but Amazon is reducing costs by using the shipping method you describe. It is also obvious that the USPS is making deliveries at a loss and the USPS is just trying to get its hands on any business it can. Amazon is large enough to play the USPS, UPS, and FedEx against each other for getting the lowest possible delivery terms. My guess is that the 'no name' shipper is Amazon themselves or a contracted local/regional carrier. My opinion of the USPS differs from yours. 99.5% of all shipping problems I encounter are with the USPS and not UPS or FedEx. Every major problem I ever had with shipping to residential has been with UPS, but it all depends on the area. Each town,city, and state can be completely different. The USPS is the most consistent everywhere and they have the most local places for package pickup. I cant see anyone knocking the USPS. 95% of the time there are no problems with USPS, Fedex, or UPS. I have lived in two areas where UPS likes to lie and say you were not home to avoid delivering a package, but UPS to a company address never has any problems. We did have a UPS driver try to get someone to sign for a damaged package that was missing contents telling the worker to sign and she will try to find the contents at their distribution center. That was complete bullshit. The contents were basically steel block fixtures and they were actually found by UPS at the airport in Tennessee. I was amazed that no workers stole them to sell for scrap metal. I think USPS is by far the best for home deliveries as they never lie about delivery attempts and they are local for package pickups. UPS is great for commercial deliveries not residential. |
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said by dmxrob6:The USPS is not taking a loss. The packages are delivered right to the local post office then loaded into the carriers delivery vehicles. So absolutely no logistics for the post office except the "last mile" delivery that will happen anyway. The mailman is going to drive right down that road regardless.
Contrary to everyone blaming the post office, you should be blaming UPS/FedEx/carrier X. The post office is not going to wait around until 3pm for their trucks to arrive.
I've never had a single package lost by the post office. I can't count how many have never shown up with UPS. I agree with everything you said. I dont see how USPS would lose money when their trucks are already going somewhere. It is more like free money for them. |
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said by drslash: Once the lousy feedback from customers hits Amazon, they will drop the USPS as a carrier partner. USPS is not the problem. The no-name shipper is. On the tracking if the USPS gets it early enough in the morning it goes right out on the truck and is delivered on time, but if the no-name shipper delivers late to USPS then it will be late. The only good thing about UPS is for corporate accounts their ground is basically 2 days shipping even from places 1000 miles away. |
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said by dmxrob6:Whatever. Good luck with your theories. I got better things to do. It's not theories. Look up the facts about how much the USPS is losing. I have worked for two of the largest shippers using FedEx and UPS in this region. I know about shipper agreements with their customers and how the customers use UPS, FedEX, and USPS. |
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2014-Jun-21 10:06 pm
The USPS has been losing money for years and will continue to lose money for many years to come. |
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For starters, the USPS is ONLY operating at a loss due to CONGRESS mandating they pre fund 80 years of pent ions in 10 years. Have any other business try to do that and they too would be operating at a loss or be bankrupt.
USPS started out in some locations a trial with Amazon, and now have rolled it out nationwide a program to deliver for Amazon on Saturday or Sunday. |
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drslash: You know nothing about the USPS as from your statements! USPS losses are due to having to pre fund insurance for retirees to 2080. Don't say things you obviously know nothing about! |
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said by raster44:drslash: You know nothing about the USPS as from your statements! USPS losses are due to having to pre fund insurance for retirees to 2080. Don't say things you obviously know nothing about! I most certainly know about how the USPS operates. I am fully aware of their financial obligations. The USPS is losing money even if the pension obligations are not included in the calculation. The USPS is a failed business model even if pension obligations are taken out of the equation. |
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r81984Fair and Balanced
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Re: [Rant] Amazon now using no-name shipping companies for Primesaid by drslash:said by raster44:drslash: You know nothing about the USPS as from your statements! USPS losses are due to having to pre fund insurance for retirees to 2080. Don't say things you obviously know nothing about! I most certainly know about how the USPS operates. I am fully aware of their financial obligations. The USPS is losing money even if the pension obligations are not included in the calculation. The USPS is a failed business model even if pension obligations are taken out of the equation. You should listen and not talk about something you have no idea about. So far in 2014, if you ignore the prefunding retirement payments then the USPS has already had an operating profit of over $1 billion. Anyone that says the USPS loses money is just a political pawn. The USPS has always been profitable. Even Fedex and UPS are USPS customers. |
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said by r81984:I think USPS is by far the best for home deliveries as they never lie about delivery attempts and they are local for package pickups. Not to disagree, I'm sure your experiences are true, but I've had the USPS walk up to my door, and without knocking or ringing the clearly available doorbell, fill out a non-delivery slip, "customer not available", and walk away. It's quite a sight...I mean you've already taken the time to walk up to the door... |
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drslash (banned)Goya Asma
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said by r81984:said by drslash:said by raster44:drslash: You know nothing about the USPS as from your statements! USPS losses are due to having to pre fund insurance for retirees to 2080. Don't say things you obviously know nothing about! I most certainly know about how the USPS operates. I am fully aware of their financial obligations. The USPS is losing money even if the pension obligations are not included in the calculation. The USPS is a failed business model even if pension obligations are taken out of the equation. You should listen and not talk about something you have no idea about. So far in 2014, if you ignore the prefunding retirement payments then the USPS has already had an operating profit of over $1 billion. Anyone that says the USPS loses money is just a political pawn. The USPS has always been profitable. Even Fedex and UPS are USPS customers. It is a lie that he USPS has always been profitable. » about.usps.com/who-we-ar ··· 1789.htmI based my statement about the USPS losing money if the pension obligations were not taken in to account on the 2012 data. I had not yet seen the 2013 data. As you can see there are many years in the past that the USPS has lost money. You are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about. Anybody who says the USPS is always profitable is a political hack and a liar. The USPS is handling 1980's level shipping volumes but doing so at over twice the expense. What part of that is not a failure? All that says to me is that the USPS is bloated with employees it can't fire all the while providing poorer service at a higher cost. The time to shut down the USPS is long past. UPS or FedEx can do all of the USPS delivery functions at a far lower cost. If UPS or FedEx could charge appropriate rates for mailbox spam the old USPS volumes would drop dramatically. There is no vital communications that must inherently be delivered by the USPS. The law stipulates that now so the USPS can remain somewhat viable. Change the law, sell the USPS to UPS or FedEx, buy out the bloated USPS workforce and send them to retirement, limit first class delivery and pickup to 2 days a week, limit first class delivery and pickup to centralized boxes (not everybody's front doorstep). The old USPS becomes a tiny division of UPS or FedEx and American's save billions of dollars. The only thing stopping this is political hacks who need to protect unneeded union workers who vote for them. Anybody who can't see the correct solution and future path for the USPS is dumb. |
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2014-Jun-26 1:25 am
Mail is all Junk now I don't get anything I need in the mail' |
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B.S. More political agenda showing. The USPS is being broken by political agenda and requirements and constraints NO private company could match either. This is an attempt to get them to fail and be replaced by a 100% for profit Corporations. Political. The USPS is actually a profitable operation when you remove the prefunding requirements congress has loaded on them.
The United States of America has the finest postal system on the planet. |
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Ever heard of inflation? What's the price on Home insurance now vs 1980's? What's the cost of a new car vs the 80's, or how about College, or Health insurance? Guess what twice the expense is extremely good performance. |
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2014-Jun-27 10:46 am
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said by drslash:The USPS is handling 1980's level shipping volumes but doing so at over twice the expense. If it's only twice the expense as in 1980, that's great! Inflation has increased by 2.9 times since 1980. My salary has increased by 6.8 times since 1980. |
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The United States has the lowest prices to mail a letter in the whole world, only two cents. The other 47 cents is for the storage! A couple of weeks ago I ordered a black colored pair of NB Shoes to comply with the dining room attire required where my mother lives. Who I was going to visit in Mass. I ordered them from Big River on a Thursday with "Guaranteed Saturday delivery. USPS tracking has shown my package in limbo since that Saturday that it is departed the local Post Office on Saturday at 4:50 pm August 2nd. My scheduled delivery date was updated to August 9th. Gee, that was only week ago, and no delivery. When I asked my local mail carrier where my missing package was, her reply was that Amazons contract shipping company picked up a couple of pallets from one of the Amazon warehouses in Phoenix to bring it 90+miles to our local Payson Post Office. According to the local USPS mail carrier, and the Highway Patrol Office in Payson multiple reports were received from drivers on the road to Payson of an open truck having packages blowing out of the back of the truck. Amazon "thoughtfully" gave me a free month of Prime for my "issues". I pointed out to the Amazon CSR that I was being inconvenienced, and that I was leaving for Boston on the 5th of August, and that I really needed the product when I visited my mother. Amazon gave me a $30 promotional credit to my account. Sadly this did not cover the costs of overnight shipping from another vendor to my mothers apartment. I find it hard to believe that Amazon is using delivery companies with OPEN trucks in the monsoon season here, and that the pallets aren't shrink wrapped on the top, and sides |
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Oh, and BTW Amazon has sent me multiple e-mails asking for feedback on my shoes, and would I rate the packaging on my order. You just can't make this stuff up! |
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said by drslash:Once the lousy feedback from customers hits Amazon, they will drop the USPS as a carrier partner. Lousy feedback? No, just the opposite. Amazon would get business from me if it used USPS instead of FedX and UPS both of which are abysmal. If I see, at any website, that the package will be delivered by FedX or UPS it is highly unlikely I will order it. It is not usually worth the hassle when either of those companies are involved. Macy's uses all three and won't let you choose so I no longer order from Macy's (unless I can pick it up in the store). I live less than 5 miles from pickup for all three but only USPS is not a nightmare about pickup. Plus, we have large lockers here for USPS to put packages in and then leave the key in our mailboxes. So, unless it is really big, you don't have to be here. Plus, UPS and FedX usually deliver early in AM when I am sleeping or in the late afternoon-early evening when I am NEVER here. I don't have that problem with USPS usually as I am generally awake and here when they come. What adds insult to injury with UPS and FedX is that if you want to change the delivery day you can't unless you BUY their software. |
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2014-Aug-19 7:02 am
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It's pretty clear that the number one stumbling block keeping the USPS from becoming profitable is Congress--from retirement funding to simply forcing continued Saturday delivery of letters (as opposed to packages, for which the USPS would maintain a 7-day schedule anyway). Personally, I could do with just once per week for home delivery, though a MWF schedule would be more likely (much like some other countries already do); 99% of it goes directly to the recycling bin as it is. |
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2014-Aug-19 7:17 am
The concern with something like MWF only is that prescription medication is NOT a "package". It ships priority mail and should be available for M-S delivery. Usually, the patient has no control over how it ships and it does usually, whether from a USA based pharmacy under the patient's medical plan or Canada based, by Priority Mail.
I don't get but one piece of junk mail. Same offender for many years and NOTHING gets them to stop. But other than that one piece that I get about once or twice a month, all the mail is expected and wanted. |
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2014-Aug-19 10:31 am
The USPS actually does refer to all Priority Mail items as packages, even if they're envelopes (which aren't the "letter" envelopes typically referred to when discussing Saturday delivery for first class items and the like). Either way, it's an easy "fix": Priority Mail is simply given priority. The sender is paying extra for it after all, as well as the number of days for delivery. The USPS could even make Sunday delivery available if--like Amazon--someone would want to pay for it. |
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