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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:09:38 EDT

Link Logger posted :

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 03:34:50 EDT

VirtualLarry posted :

This stuff isn't just disabled in the release builds, its flat out excluded using conditionals in the compile, but if Trevor Pott wrote software then he might know about conditionals in the compiler, and you can confirm that by decompiling the code (which more then one agency on the planet does to confirm that no other agency has goodies planted in the code).

"Disabled in the release version?"

Ahem. I have three words for you.

HOT COFFEE MOD

(Google it if you don't get the reference right away, this includes any non-PC-gamers reading this.)

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:02:27 EDT

Link Logger posted :

said by dave:

How do you know that? How do we know that?

I answer this in the post

said by Link Logger:

you can confirm that by decompiling the code

Of course that implies you decompile it yourself (maybe I've poked around more then a few files/apps/etc) which perhaps isn't for the unskilled, or you trust someone else, but there is that 'trust' thing again.

Blake
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:35:26 EDT

siljaline posted : For those socially inclined: »twitter.com/thurrott

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:36:38 EDT

Chubbzie posted : [att=1]

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:09:08 EDT

siljaline posted : Thurrott does drink his share of the MS Koolaid.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:54:37 EDT

Mele20 posted : Gee...I cannot believe Thurrott said:

"Folks, it's time to enter the 21st century, and if you can't handle a connected account, maybe Windows 10 isn't for you. Regardless, the way this is "hidden" (it's not really hidden) is perfectly OK in my opinion."

He has drunk the Microsoft kool-aid. Plus, obviously, he has given zero thought to the Europeans and the fact that there users have a legal right to privacy that we don't have. Microsoft is going to get themselves in hot water again with EU if they don't make it A LOT easier to use a local account. It is even MORE hidden in Win 10 than Win 8 and for Thurrott to think hiding it is just fine because every user needs a connected account...well, I won't be bothering with reading his website anymore. The replies mostly agreed with him! So many in this sad nation have drunk the Microsoft kool-aid. Many replied and said you can't use Windows 10 without a connected account...well I am using it with a local account just as I use Win 8. I don't do cloud crap on Win 8 and don't on Win 10. I don't think I am missing anything important and I still have some semblance of privacy which is a LOT more important to me than the supposed "convenience" of the cloud.

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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:18:41 EDT

dave posted :

said by Link Logger:

This stuff isn't just disabled in the release builds, its flat out excluded using conditionals in the compile,

How do you know that? How do we know that?

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:35:54 EDT

Link Logger posted : Really guys you would think the NSA is some magical wonder group that has super human powers that they and they alone could sniff this secret data from Windows. If this magical hidden monitoring was left in, don't you think about 20 other 'NSA' like groups and hacker groups would find it as well? Hell the Chinese fart in the general direction of the NSA anymore, so if there was magical monitoring ordered up the NSA it would sadly backfire for everyone.

This stuff isn't just disabled in the release builds, its flat out excluded using conditionals in the compile, but if Trevor Pott wrote software then he might know about conditionals in the compiler, and you can confirm that by decompiling the code (which more then one agency on the planet does to confirm that no other agency has goodies planted in the code).

So fantasy tin foil time makes for good chit chat but it doesn't past the electric Kool-Aid acid test of reality.

Blake
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Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 03:42:28 EDT

camper posted :

said by Mele20:

That was a good article. Thanks for the link!

The question that has been nagging me about the Windows 10 preview is, just what is Microsoft previewing?

Yeah, I've read all of Microsoft's disclaimers and a lot of the articles written about Windows 10.

However, The Register's article raises a few very valid concerns. Concerns that seem to fall through the explanations of the reasons for having such aggressive data-collection in an operating system.

If Microsoft can place such collection activities in the preview, those very same collection activities can be placed also in the released product, albeit, in a ~disabled~ state (thus allowing Microsoft to state that they data collection is only for the beta test, even though they may be subsequently enabled by the NSA as needed....).

Throughout this Windows 10 process, it is not Microsoft that I distrust, it is the NSA.

What "input" from the NSA are we seeing in Windows 10?

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 15 Oct 2014 03:17:52 EDT

siljaline posted : Most welcom fro the link. See also: one million running Win 10 already.

»www.theregister.co.uk/20 ··· dows_10/

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:40:16 EDT

Mele20 posted : That was a good article. Thanks for the link!

I agree wholeheartedly with this comment from the Register's article:

"The test of Windows 10 isn't in some handful of new features or some crippled franken-Start Menu or some new flavour of lock-in. Windows 10 is about who wears the pants in this relationship. Are we simply to accept whatever Microsoft dictates? Or will Microsoft bow to our needs and desires?

Is the future to be a subscription-driven Redmondian utopia of "mobile first, cloud first"? Or is it to be a pragmatic and customer-focused "security first, privacy first" world? You have until the final code freeze of Windows 10 to make your voice heard and help Microsoft decide."

Hmmm...in a way, Win 10 Preview is a microcosmic test which will serve to set the future of the USA in particular (since Microsoft resides here) of what is important to the people of the USA and how our desires may differ widely from those of Europe for instance. Sadly, I think it is a done deal that what will win is NOT freedom, privacy and security. I think that not because I believe Microsoft has already decided...they haven't...but because our nation is too far gone to wakeup and demand 'security first, privacy first" from Redmond.
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:08:11 EDT

siljaline posted : More revelations on Win10.

»www.theregister.co.uk/20 ··· in_blog/

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:23:19 EDT

chrisretusn posted : Works here. I have two Windows 10 machines installed. One is a new install, the other an install from Windows 7, upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

On the first, I originally tried installing the older version of Guest Additions (4.3.16) and it would not install, telling me it was not compatible. Discovered the updated VirtualBox and I upgraded to 4.3.18, tried to install, it error-ed out, seems that the 4.3.16 version of Guest Additions partially installed and not would not uninstall. I took the easy way out and simply started over creating a new virtual machine. . The 4.3.18 Guest Additions installed with out problems and after a reboot, works.

With the Windows 7 to 10 upgrade, I upgraded the VirtualBox Guest Additions on the Window 7 virtual machine first then cloned it, then installed Windows 10 on top of the cloned. It finish up after about an hour and I works just fine.

I do have an issued with Shared Folders that are not working, on my Windows 7 to 10 installation, may be just a configuration problem, can't say yet. Still working it out when I have the time.

Edit: Oh, the Windows 10 virtual machines are hosts on Slackware64.

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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:05:50 EDT

Mele20 posted : Yeah, it installs but it doesn't work is what I read on their forums.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:47:55 EDT

chrisretusn posted : Oracle fixed it, latest update to VirtualBox version 4.3.18, Guest Additions now installs in Windows 10.
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:06:32 EDT

Nanaki posted : LOL ive had people tell me they didn't delete any thing yet it is in the recycle bin ....

End users as a whole are inept and just have no clue. It is why social engineering works so well. If you tell some one this bogusware will speed up their computer they will download it readily. It is why companies like stopsign are able to infect millions under 20 different names.

Maybe it is because of how i leanred computers. I started out using my very first computer that was any thing more than a tsr80 as a tech and system builder. Before i knew what windows was or even what google was i was building repairing and even securing these bastards. I would say that before i had my own computer i had installed firewalls and antiviruses on literally dozens of computers. When i walked out of the shop with my first self built 486 computer i already had a firewall installed and AV. In my case fprot.

When i say i can't be had by some clod trying to fool me in to installing something i mean it. No one will ever trick me into installing trash ware. I have never been a noob when it comes to the net or computers for as long as i have owned them.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:37:36 EDT

dave posted : Also, users are on the whole not capable of reliably telling you what they did immediately prior to an error happening.

I've seen support cases where users swear they did not delete a file, and an examination of the audit log tells us to the millisecond when they hit 'enter' on the delete command.

(I don't ascribe this to deliberate untruthfulness, merely cluelessness)

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:06:54 EDT

Nanaki posted : Yep but there are huge numbers of them out there. I would say that with windows alone i see no less that 1 out of 5 computers coming in to the shop with a cracked beta of ms products installed.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:00:13 EDT

Link Logger posted :

said by Nanaki:

people will use these betas then cry to the company about them and the bugs long after the beta period is over.

People like that should be shot.

Blake
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:26:52 EDT

Mele20 posted : Thanks. I understood why the license would expire but was surprised that it would be in February.

If I have to reformat to install RC's then I probably won't. By February I will know if I like it enough to upgrade 8.0 Pro to it (assuming the cost is small for those of us on 8 or 8.1).

You are right about all that debugging code that will disappear with the RC's...I didn't think about that but I have done betas before and RC's of various software (including Microsoft software) and it is amazing how much lighter the product is when all that is gone.

Whether I do the RC's or not will depend on how bored or not bored I am in February. :D
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:15:28 EDT

Nanaki posted : It is to stop people from keeping a beta version or in this case preview installed after the testing period. MS like most other companies do not want you to keep using beta version of their software for many reasons. One big one is people will use these betas then cry to the company about them and the bugs long after the beta period is over.

I was part of the dev team for a mmorpg. Some one liked a beta interface better than the release one so they mixed and matched files to keep the beta gui and then complained and threatened to sue us because of the bugs that were not fixed. We had not gotten any other reports of this bug in the release version of the game. So we had them send us a file list of the game that showed things like check sums and version information of each file. It turned out that they did a drag and drop of client files from the beta to the retail version.

With windows etc testers will create or download cracks that let them keep the beta install to avoid buying the os. Then cry about the bugs. Not to mention the extra logging and debug code. MS does not want these version to be useable after x date to prevent this to some limited degree. It is easier to expire the lic than to add code to cause exes to break etc.

As for why they do not just update from the preview to rc version the rc versions will have tons of debug code removed. That debug code is linked in to most if not all files. If windows 10 screams on your system now just imagine what it will be like with gigs of debugging code removed.

Basically a update to remove the debug code would be as big as a new download any ways.

Ive been in mmorpg betas that were 12 gb installs and retail was only 4gb all the rest of the gigs were debug code.

Oh almost forgot it also encourages testers to reformat and reinstall the latest which is far better than just installing over top. The rc vers will not likely be able to upgrade a preview release.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:35:33 EDT

Mele20 posted :

said by Nanaki:

May end up needing to download a newer install in fact it is probably likely. Should get in to release candidates about that time.

But why wouldn't that just be done internally?
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:44:37 EDT

Nanaki posted : May end up needing to download a newer install in fact it is probably likely. Should get in to release candidates about that time.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sun, 12 Oct 2014 02:44:57 EDT

Mele20 posted : I like and respect Ed Bott but that article has nothing in it about the practical issues that I want some answers to!

Besides Ed says that the product key is on the Windows Insider's ISO download page. That key there bears ZERO resemblance to the key I have. Out of curiosity, I clicked to change it and got a screen that asked me to type in the product key from my install DVD. The keys are completely individual and this Preview was activated over the internet. Microsoft says to keep a copy of the key because it may need to be reactivated later. So, the keys shown on the ISO download page are NOT the keys that each of us has.

I thought Release was said to be summer 2015. How come then the license to use this Preview terminates on Feb 15 and we cannot use it after that? Does this mean Release is scheduled for end of February?
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:02:43 EDT

siljaline posted : See also: (Probaly less security focused)

»[WIN10] Windows 10 Preview - Features

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sat, 11 Oct 2014 11:03:11 EDT

camper posted :

said by Mele20:

It all seems utterly crazy to me and truly irresponsible that none of these reviewers have discussed the REAL ISSUES HERE WHICH ARE THE PRACTICAL ONES!

They're not going to spill it all in one column, they have to save something to write about in future columns. ;)

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:41:28 EDT

siljaline posted : Ed Bott writes:
»www.zdnet.com/windows-10 ··· 0034462/

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:22:29 EDT

Mele20 posted : I haven't seen anything about the practical aspects of this. Is Windows 10 going to cost the same for everyone and be exactly the same with the differences being only the pace of updates? How is the pricing going to work? Will OEMs sell a license for just one version to everyone at one price? Or if there are different "versions" as well as different update pacing how will that be handled? Can the OEMs sell a consumer oriented computer to someone with a small business account and sell the Small Business version on the consumer machine? What if someone buys from the consumer division but wants the Enterprise updating scheme? Will there be an end of support life for Windows 10? Will the support differ based on what? the pace of the updating the purchaser/leasee decides upon?

It all seems utterly crazy to me and truly irresponsible that none of these reviewers have discussed the REAL ISSUES HERE WHICH ARE THE PRACTICAL ONES!
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:25:44 EDT

siljaline posted : Another exposé written by Peter Bright aka Dr. Pizza of ARS.

»arstechnica.com/informat ··· pdating/ :uhh:

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:22:29 EDT

siljaline posted : IE12 bits Chubbzie :D

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:50:41 EDT

Chubbzie posted :

said by siljaline:

I just want the IE bits not the preview.

IE 12 bits?

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:59:11 EDT

siljaline posted : I'm reading elsewhere folks are now dual booting Win 7 & Win 10.

I just want the IE bits not the preview.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:42:10 EDT

camper posted :

said by Link Logger:

the process is measured in years.

Microsoft got feedback on what I mentioned early in the strategic part of the process, before code was even written, before code was even designed. Microsoft thought they knew better, which was a common Microsoft affliction at the time.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:15:04 EDT

Link Logger posted :

said by camper:

Yes, Microsoft is fixing those issues now, but Microsoft should have fixed those issues for Windows 8, not Windows 9^H 10.

To be honest its not like the Windows Development team has been sitting around wondering what to do as Windows is one of the largest programs in the world in terms of number of lines of code, so really to get here they had to release something to get feedback on and the process is measured in years. Like I said before Windows owns the desktop, no other OS anywhere comes close to Windows, so its not like they are competing with anyone and really Windows 7 was a pretty safe holding point for those who didn't want to move to Windows 8. So with mobile and hardware technology (touch for example) really coming on, this was the perfect time to make the big move and start on what OS's will look like for the next 25 years. I use Windows 8.1 everyday on my desktop, phone, tablet etc and sure there are items I'm not so sure about (sovereign application / transient applications or Daemonic applications and their need for a task tray etc for example), but these are difficult design problems which might take a couple of iterations to nail down, but so far its a pretty good start.

Blake
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:39:20 EDT

OZO posted :

said by norwegian:

you can not incorporate phones, tablets, laptops and desktops as an all-in-one in one program and expect the extended list of services required

You're right, of course... Unless you carefully separate it into two components - Core OS (kernel, FS, memory and process management and other similar parts) and UI. But the problem is -- they don't want to. They want to sell you a bundle (and it clearly had been seen starting with Vista). They marketed OS as the UI how you see it. The focus was shifted in direction to show big and colorful icons, transparency here and there, while they silently start removing things that folks (especially knowledgeable) used to know and use, etc. Why they do that? It's marketing in action, plain and simple. Remember the attempt they made to do it right - MiniWin? Where it is now... Scrapped in the name of selling bundles to customers, not the OS and separate UI package, they (users) actually need. If you're not convinced yet, just compare installation footprint in WXP and Win 8 and make your conclusion then...

But as we see now in Win 8, they want to include into the OS bundle not only IE and a Movie Maker, but UI designed for a smart phone, tablets, etc... I'd say - they've lost the vision what OS should be. Do they know that? Perhaps they should after fiasco in the recent sales of Win 8...
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Thu, 09 Oct 2014 11:23:35 EDT

norwegian posted :

said by Link Logger:

As a software developer I guess I have to ask what makes you think you weren't listened to? With as many beta testers as there were, I would think its almost impossible to 'respond' to individual feedback, but react to 'common' comments, suggestions etc as a grouping. Certainly a number of the changes asked for were bigger ticket items and are included in Windows 10, so while I can understand your frustration, I also have personal experience from the other side of beta testing.

Have most of your Windows 8 issues been handled with this release?

I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to setup a test system, so I'm behind the curve compared to you guys.

Blake

To be honest, a lot of bugs were looked at with great enthusiasm when I did test.
Sometimes I was quite amazed at the response to those bugs when you submitted the "repeatable" bugs.

What I find/found quite frustrating was the bugs that a lot knew about, be it any company, but were ignored.
I have seen a lot of bugs last 2 or 3 versions of a software because it was known what sort of rebuilding it required but did not sit well with the timeline.

To be blunt, it was not rarely ever related to the programmers at all, it was those useless external forces that stopped a great program becoming an even better program because the schedule didn't fit.

Business is business.

I would love to see a year missed in a path for quality over sales.
Sales will always come with quality.
Short cuts will lead to poor work, poor quality and poor results.
Add sales and number-crunching to this table and the end user will always lose just as much as the company itself.

I guess this then in discussion relates to this topic discussed here.

Now, to get back to the topic.

Be it privacy, data collection, security or any other mean of negative end result, the Internet is and has it's flaws, be it any company involved.

We can sit and discuss how good or bad our views are on testing, programming, sales, privacy, security, or any other layer.
However it always falls back onto beta tests, relevant info, collected or not, the interpretation, the costs, the sales, the timeline, the work required and all sorts of influences.
I'm not pin-pointing, but to fast track as we do of late in all things, everyone gets ignored and the end result is "poor" workmanship, and I doubt the $hit flows uphill!

On your question of my tests with Win10.

Yes it has improved.
Yes I am happier in saying that.
Yes it has a chance of getting a start with positive results.

Still:

No, there are simple switches that now make no sense.
So we get both options at a start screen? Huh?
Can I use diesel and petrol? Both work and burn....

To be honest if you want a real view from this table.
It has still a long way to go; you can not incorporate phones, tablets, laptops and desktops as an all-in-one in one program and expect the extended list of services required will not:
1. Cause a lot more bugs to hardware needs.
2. Cause all sorts of service calls and resources.
3. Calls that can or may have weak points for exploit.
4. Request the hardware be updated for future proofing and it's software and resources.
5. Harder work in this troubleshooting for beta testers, programmers, local use or what ever name...
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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:37:44 EDT

camper posted :

said by Link Logger:

As a software developer I guess I have to ask what makes you think you weren't listened to?...

The answer to that question is easy: Windows 8.

Microsoft forced that abomination of an operating system upon the desktop users who clearly indicated during the beta test stage that they did not want the touch interface for a keyboard/mouse desktop computer.

Yes, Microsoft is fixing those issues now, but Microsoft should have fixed those issues for Windows 8, not Windows 9^H 10.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:30:29 EDT

Link Logger posted :

said by norwegian:

I think is is more relative to say, we are happy to beta test, but unhappy when no one listens to the work involved.(Would Win8 be relative)

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:58:15 EDT

camper posted :

said by Chubbzie:

Supposedly there are quite a number of third party developers that took these short cuts.

From what I've read, yes. Only the java stuff showed up because I searched on a java keyword. But other languages show similar short cuts being taken.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:24:38 EDT

Chubbzie posted :

said by camper:

That's what I thought at first, then I saw a bunch of code snippets.

Supposedly there are quite a number of third party developers that took these short cuts.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:57:57 EDT

Nanaki posted : Yeh i seen that right after i posted. We all know ms wil catch flack over it instead of who should.

Im not even remotely a programer but hell i see how they should have done it.

public static final boolean isWindows95 = _OS_NAME.startsWith("windows 95") || _OS_NAME.startsWith("windows me");

public static final boolean isWindows98 = _OS_NAME.startsWith("windows 98") || _OS_NAME.startsWith("windows me");

can we say fixed it for ya?

1 extra line of code 1 extra char and no issues. This folks is what we call lazy.

I coded vrml and the person who taught me would have killed me had i pulled a equivalent stunt like that. That is just being flat out lazy and no forward thinking.

Now im sure there would need to be other changes to the code but the above mod is a big part of the fix id say maybe 2 to 5 more lines would need changed or added.

Looking at stuff like that gets me thinking about potential vulnerabilities related to it. I had to worry about vulnerabilities even with vrml code as there was the potential for getting infected do to some bad code as it could use and did use java and in fact if i recall could use activex flash and other various techs related to interactivity. So when i was coding with java script or embedding say a flash video i had to be damn careful to make sure that it could not be used as a infection vector.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:34:55 EDT

camper posted :

said by Nanaki:

It's just MS having a little fun with hype generating. Im fine with that.

That's what I thought at first, then I saw a bunch of code snippets.

Take a look for yourself:
»searchcode.com/?q=+start ··· ows+9%22

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:21:35 EDT

Nanaki posted : It's just MS having a little fun with hype generating. Im fine with that.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:44:02 EDT

camper posted :

said by ashrc4:

What happened to windows 9...

»www.theinquirer.net/inqu ··· s-coding

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:50:13 EDT

Chubbzie posted : Debugging is the key term for Win 10's collection of data. I've been unable to verify yet but was told that MS's Server 10 TP does NOT collect data, just wanted to throw that out there.

If you're incredibly paranoid about the data collection try blocking these hosts:

134.170.30.202
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
66.39.117.230
statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com
vortex.data.microsoft.com
65.55.108.23
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
23.218.212.69

Or fire up your favorite sniffer/packet analyzer & watch for yourself.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:35:51 EDT

norwegian posted :

said by Link Logger:

said by Hypeup :

People are tired of being a beta tester.

Apparently not as lots of folks installed the beta, including some here.

Blake

I think is is more relative to say, we are happy to beta test, but unhappy when no one listens to the work involved.(Would Win8 be relative)

/rant on
"Have a free license" after no one listening is frustrating.
Some just don't care if it is free or not.....that is a real truth.
Once called "fanboy" that cost me more than it ever cost my testing time and the hours involved in comparison to such companies involved.
/rant off

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Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 09:44:05 EDT

siljaline posted : MS decided it reminded to much of the failed Win9x... Product Families and jumped to Win 10.

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:39:35 EDT

ashrc4 posted : What happened to windows 9....did the Germans say no. :)

Re: Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:27:08 EDT

Mele20 posted : Hmpf. Microsoft's own Hyper-V does not support audio and a lot of us have it installed on Hyper-V since we can't use Virtualbox which does have audio support for it but won't install Guest Additions which is essential. So, Microsoft won't be getting any voice data from me! I am really surprised that after all these years of offering virtual machine software Microsoft still is not supporting audio.

I'm not tired of being a beta tester at all! I love doing betas...I was getting so bored and avoiding my computer...now I am glued to it because I have something interesting to do.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson