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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:45:46 EDT

anon posted : Directv is having to also deliver 3,000 plus local channels in HD.... unlike cable all local channels are delivered via satellite.
directv will launch another satellite this May.

Directv will then have bandwidth as follows(including both 500 Mhz L and R polarities)
Current 101 KU band satellite 1000 Mhz (sd only right now)
Current 99 Ka lo band 1000 Mhz
Current 103 Ka lo band 1000 Mhz
Current 103 ka high band 1000 Mhz

New 99 ka high band 1000 Mhz (Satellite D14, just became operational)
New 99 RDBS band 1000 Mhz

After May D15 launch
103 RDBS band 1000 Mhz

They also have KU bandwidth at 95, 110 and 119 Sats but its all used for Sd locals, spanish and international channels

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:06:48 EDT

dcowboy posted :

said by dianac:

But DirecTV , by Q3/15, will have about 10x the bandwidth (in MHz) than a cable plant does. 10 years ago no one thought satellite could do HD as well as cable could.
Yet they currently deliver more HD than any cable system.

Not according to the avs forum HD chart:
charter = 253
at&t = 246
directv = 212

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 21:00:46 EDT

Wag posted : Netflix is going to support the HDR format with 4k streaming later this year. I honestly think HDR (expanded color palette) is more exciting than standard 4k.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:25:59 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by Thinkdiff:

I think that's why many manufacturers are trying to push the "Ultra HD" name now. 4K Cinema is truly 4K (4096 x 2160).

2160p just sounds weird, too ;)

The official name is Ultra High Definition or UHD. That is the reason they are pushing the name. It is the official name. So they should not be calling it 4K or anything else.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:21:56 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by bob1954:

I purchased a 55" Samsung 3D 4K for a extremely great price of 1200.00 from PC Richards. There is some 4K content available from Netflix, but as time goes on I hope more comes available...

Amazon also has some UHD/4K content

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:57:25 EDT

dianac posted : But DirecTV (not so much Dish), by Q3/15, will have about 10x the bandwidth (in MHz) than a cable plant does...and no analog channels. They have also started the process to phase out digital SD (they are no longer sending out SD equipment). 10 years ago no one thought satellite could do HD as well as cable could. Yet they currently deliver more HD than any cable system, and they even surpass FiOS, depending on how you count RSNs and local channels. Their new satellite increases their Ka band HD capacity by 33% over what they are currently broadcasting. RDBS gives them half again as much, and is slated to be dedicated to UHD. If you check into it you will find that DirecTV has truly massive amounts of bandwidth to play with.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:55:48 EDT

PJL posted : Well said...

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:55:32 EDT

PJL posted :

said by MagScribe:

OK -- what cable system/sat. provider is delivering channels (not pay per per view) in 1080p?

Since "broadcast" and "national cable channels" only provide their content in up to 1080i, the your question has to relevance.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:25:44 EDT

alchav posted :

said by MagScribe:

OK -- what cable system/sat. provider is delivering channels (not pay per per view) in 1080p?

We lost the OP many Post ago, on the first page, and the question was will Verizon have 4K content within a couple of years. It seems the consensus is NO, since no TV Provider even has 1080P. I think the OP already had in mind to buy a 4K UHDTV, I just hope he buys one at least 55". There is 4K content out there, but I feel Streaming is going to take over as the preferred way to watch TV, and regular TV Providers will have to change. This means Streaming Providers have 4K content, and the need for UHDTV will take over The Market.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:33:08 EDT

MagScribe posted : OK -- what cable system/sat. provider is delivering channels (not pay per per view) in 1080p?
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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:21:19 EDT

PJL posted :

said by MagScribe:

As someone else pointed out in this thread: talk to me when there is decent and widespread 1080p out there.

I'm talking to you now. There is decent and widespread 1080p streaming out there. Netflix, Vudu, M-Go, Amazon Instant Video, and many others currently stream in 1080p.

said by MagScribe:

I do expect someone to find a 4K delivery method through one of the add-on, net-based boxes (AppleTV, Rokio, etc.). And that's where we'll see some demand for content.

This already exists for 4K Smart TVs.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:21:42 EDT

Nezmo posted : Misplaced optimism.

How long has Verizon had issues with the VMS which are still not resolved and you think 4K is in the near future over VZ? How long did it take Verizon to release the VMS (and it was still not ready when they did). And that's just this round of fun.

Here's a suggestion. Wait for VZ to hint that 4K is coming, take any time frame they may mention then triple it. Then don't get it when it happens, wait another year.
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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:08:18 EDT

dcowboy posted : Theres now a samsung 40inch 4K for $799.95.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:03:54 EDT

matcarl posted :

said by MagScribe:

VZ isn't going to deploy a new generation of boxes just for a small number of potential viewers. It doesn't make business sense.

Correct, they don't even want to get rid of the 6xxx boxes for MPEG-4, yet alone anything on the horizon.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Sat, 21 Feb 2015 08:23:34 EDT

MagScribe posted : As someone else pointed out in this thread: talk to me when there is decent and widespread 1080p out there.

In the near term, regardless of the availability of the source material, there isn't enough bandwidth for any serious 4K rollout. VZ isn't going to deploy a new generation of boxes just for a small number of potential viewers. It doesn't make business sense.

I do expect someone to find a 4K delivery method through one of the add-on, net-based boxes (AppleTV, Rokio, etc.). And that's where we'll see some demand for content.

But again....unless you have a really big screen, most folks will not be able to tell the difference. Consider what we're seeing now in movie theaters —

Well done 1080p on a display capable of decent black levels and contrast (I'm very excited for OLED -- and have been since first writing about it in the late 1990s) will offer an exceptional viewing experience for most folks on screens of 70 inches or smaller.

While some people will want more and bigger — which has always been the case — it will be a small minority.
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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:24:58 EDT

bull3964 posted :

said by webcobbler:

Yes it does sound adversarial. But as I said, everyone has their own opinions.

Yes, I was a bit vague. And I said I could get in to more detail. But I didn't, in that post.

The older films will look very nice, IMO. From the first list.

Did you even read those articles?

And that is all I have to say on this subject.

I am being optimistic. And I look forward on getting a UHDTV, and enjoying future UHD BluRay titles, with HDR, 10bit, and the experience in general.

Yes, I have read those articles and this isn't the first time either. A lot of older films can absolutely benefit, I am not in disagreement there. There's also a large amount of recent material that will not benefit as easily or at all. That's not a matter of optimism, it's a matter of technical details around their creation as well as the market forces around catalog video sales. There's no denying Godzilla at 8k just like there's no denying that it's not technically possible to have a true 4k release of Birdman.

I will get a UHDTV when the whole TV (not just the resolution) is a significant jump over what I have today as the resolution is one of the least interesting things about UHD. HDR, 10 and 12 bit color is something to look forward to, but none of the TVs on the market now are even fully REC 2020 compliant. Hopefully by the time displays DO catch up to the standards, any content that's capable of being 4k will be readily available. But for now, I will wait things out and let the format mature. It still has a long way to go in that respect.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:32:14 EDT

webcobbler posted : Yes it does sound adversarial. But as I said, everyone has their own opinions.

Yes, I was a bit vague. And I said I could get in to more detail. But I didn't, in that post.

The older films will look very nice, IMO. From the first list.

Did you even read those articles?

And that is all I have to say on this subject.

I am being optimistic. And I look forward on getting a UHDTV, and enjoying future UHD BluRay titles, with HDR, 10bit, and the experience in general.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:23:08 EDT

dfwguy posted :

said by dianac:

DirecTV had been using an entire transponder to send 4k content to Genie DVR where it is stored and then streamed via RVU to Samsung UHD Smart TVs. However, the satellite that they were using had a massive failure yesterday. Fortunately, they have just put a new satellite in service that supports a new frequency band that has never been used before. It will support about 600MHz of bandwidth (or about 2/3 of an entire cable plant). The same satellite is adding an additional 500MHz of Ka service. Between that, DVBS-2X (which supports channel bonding) and HEVC, will give DirecTV plenty of bandwidth to deliver any HD channel they want as well dozens of UHD channels, should any ever develop.

Please don't imply that satellite spectrum can be compared to cable. Cable delivers nearly 6.5Mb/s per MHz, while satellite is a bit under 2 using current technologies. S2X will increase that eventually, but as with any new standard, it will require complete hardware replacement to support so it won't be seeing widespread use for a while.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:55:04 EDT

bull3964 posted :

said by webcobbler:

My opinion in a brief generalization are that ; Movies shot on film, can be easily rescanned at 4k to even 8k resolutions. Depending on 35mm, 65, and 75mm film. They can even add HDR and 10bit to them (to future proof them with the new UHD BluRay spec.)

That is an oversimplification though.

Movies shot and EDITED on film can easily be rescanned at 4k and 8k with no further work.

Movies shot on film and edited digitally must be rescanned and re-edited.

Movies shot on film, edited digitally, and have digital effects work must be rescanned, re-edited, and have the effects work redone from scratch to be true 4k.

Movies prior to 2000 fall predominantly into the first bucket. There exists a final, edited, 35 (or higher) mm print that can be rescanned at higher resolution. It is possible that some pieces of this print are not very high resolution (such as early CGI work), but it will at least fully capture what it looked like projected.

Most movies shot on film post 2000 fall into the 2nd and 3rd bucket. More likely than not, the only edited master that exists for them is a 2k digital master. To go higher resolution, they will have to at the very least go back to the film to rescan and re-edit. Then, they will have to make a choice about digital effects shots. They can choose to upscale the existing ones and splice it into the remaining 4k footage, or they can choose to completely redo the effects that never existed in camera (like Star Trek: TNG).

The level of visual effects will determine how effective or how expensive each approach will be. Many of the "mastered in 4k" movies out there with digital effects work are 4k or 8k scans mastered at 4k with upscaled 2k effects work. It's a hybrid release and the amount of true 4k material you see depends a lot on how many effects shots are in the movie.

In other cases, it can be hybrid from the get go even if it was initially a 4k master. For example, Argo. A lot of the film was shot in 35mm, but other portions were shot in 16mm and 8mm both having diminishing to no returns at 4k. Still more footage was shot digitally with ARRIRAW 2.8k negative format, so that footage is upscaled.

Spiderman 2002 is on that list. All effects in that movie were rendered at 2k. So, any live action will be 4k since it could be scanned from the 35mm negative, but any of the effects will simply be upscales and that is a very effects heavy movie so much of the runtime will not be true 4k.

It may sound like I'm being adversarial about this, but that's not my intent. There are certain things I would love to see in 4k (2001, Blade Runner, Intersteller) but I accept that the vast majority of things made in the past 14 years is going to be a hybrid of 4k and 2k material and a LOT of the more recent stuff can never be 4k because it is usually shot digitally at less than 4k. ARRIRAW 2.8k is very very very common right now (see most of the movies currently in the theaters as well as recent movies like HG:Mockingjay) It will look better than 1080p if mastered in 4k, but it is not true 4k material.

As it relates to this thread, Verizon doesn't have h265 capable equipment so the point is largely moot. It's also very unlikely to affect Verizon's bottom line so I don't see them moving quickly on it.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:41:27 EDT

webcobbler posted : Thank You, PJL

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:35:09 EDT

PJL posted : I appreciate your optimism and share it.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:14:01 EDT

webcobbler posted : This does not go out to anyone specifically:

Whether or not one thinks that there is a dearth of UHD content, or a lot, or what have you. Or whether Movies shot Digitally, or shot on film have a better success at 4k or 8k transfers, that is your opinion.

My opinion in a brief generalization are that ; Movies shot on film, can be easily rescanned at 4k to even 8k resolutions. Depending on 35mm, 65, and 75mm film. They can even add HDR and 10bit to them (to future proof them with the new UHD BluRay spec.) Movies shot Digitally, they can not do this. Or at the very least, as easily.

Recent TV shows are filmed in at least 4k. So when broadcasters or streaming services really start to have a channel, or content, they have the shows at their native resolution.

You can look up those Movies and shows, if you wish.

I have read a bunch on this subject , and I have 3 articles that might interest some.

The first one is a list of Movies shot with Film , that are 4k transfers

»forum.blu-ray.com/showth ··· t=218262

The second is a article from months ago, that basically says that things were shot in UHD, but no one bothered to save them.

»4k.com/news/20-years-mov ··· ed-save/

And the third one is about the original Godzilla trilogy. Remastered in 8k glory.

»4k.com/news/original-god ··· k-glory/

Now, I can really go in to detail about a lot of things, but that is not my point.

Basically, there are a bunch of UHD material out there, but we don't know about it, and that once UHD BluRay's come out by the end of the year, we will have content. Hell, we even have content now with DVD and 4k Digital bundled together, for the same price as a regular DVD/BluRay combo.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:57:59 EDT

bull3964 posted :

said by dianac:

Except that any movie shot in digital in the last few years (think the LOTR trilogy) was shot in either 4K or 8K.

LOTR was shot in 35mm and was mastered with a 2k DI and all the effects were rendered in 2k (or less). Any 4k version of the LOTR trilogy will require redoing ALL digital effects and remastering the whole movie. Even for a high grossing movie like that, it is cost and time prohibitive. It will likely NEVER be true 4k.

The Hobbit Trilogy was shot digitally with Red EPIC cameras at 5k. But again, all of the digital effects work (which is pretty much everything but the actors) and the DI was done at 2k. So, they would have to redo pretty much all post work on the movie from scratch in order to release in native 4k.

That's the problem. Even if live action was captured at a resolution that makes it capable of 4k, often times all of the visual post work was done at 2k (and effects are frequently rendered even below 2k to save time and money.) Doing any of these movies in 4k would require re-editing the movie and redoing all digital visual effects work.

Native 4k movies are few and far between. You are going to see stuff remastered in 4k that wasn't effects heavy or stuff that was edited on film. In both those cases, it's easy to go back to the source and get a higher resolution (if it was shot on film or digitally higher than 2k). Other stuff, especially stuff where the actors are in front of a green screen 90% of the time, is going to be too costly to go back and redo.

Virtually no one is filming at 8k, certainly nothing mainstream. Time is money in the movie industry and working with files that big just doesn't make sense. Most aren't even shooting in 4k right now. A very popular digital negative format right now is ARRIRAW 2.8k. Nearly everything in the theater right at this moment was captured in that format meaning those movies can never be made truly 4k.

We are getting to the point right now where gadget makers and enthusiasts are asking for things that even the content producers think is overkill.

There are things to get excited about in the new UHD standards such high dynamic range and higher chroma depth. But those things, unfortunately, require better display hardware than we are getting right now.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:47:53 EDT

MeatChicken posted : As others have mentioned, Netflix, DirectTV & Amazon Prime all have some 4K viewing available right now ..
My guess is within the next 24-36 months there will be a lot more 4K viewing options available, including most TV providers having at least some OnDemand / PPV 4K , if not some actual channel(s)too ..

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:39:23 EDT

dianac posted : Except that any movie shot in digital in the last few years (think the LOTR trilogy) was shot in either 4K or 8K.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:26:05 EDT

bull3964 posted :

said by maartena:

Actually, I have seen Netflix in 4k at a friends house, and it looks pretty awesome. They have added a lot of content in 4k over the last year or so.

The problem is, it's going to plateau at some point. There's 14 years of content (and counting) that's either incredibly cost prohibitive or flat out impossible to have anything other than an upscale.

The cream of the crop is being put out there right now, but there's not much depth to the catalog beyond that and won't be for a very very long time. Your weekly box office draws are still being filmed at 2.8k and mastered in 2k, it's going to take 2-3 years for the production pipeline to catch up to the point where new 4k content is being created consistently.

Movies pre 2000 (especially 70mm which will look stunning) will be candidates for 4k. Post 2000, it becomes increasingly impossible to make a native 4k release out of something due to the switch to digital intermediates. A few will be cherry picked to be remastered, but even then any digital effects will likely be upscaled rather than redone.

Then, as you get later, you cross over into the era where stuff is being digitally filmed and if the cameras being used weren't 4k, you're done. It's never going to get any better.

Couple that with display hardware that hasn't quite caught up with the standards and things get even less compelling.

I would much rather have h265 1080p on my cable service than 4k at this point. The former will be more likely to deliver consistent quality.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:20:40 EDT

dianac posted : DirecTV had been using an entire transponder to send 4k content to Genie DVR where it is stored and then streamed via RVU to Samsung UHD Smart TVs. However, the satellite that they were using had a massive failure yesterday. Fortunately, they have just put a new satellite in service that supports a new frequency band that has never been used before. It will support about 600MHz of bandwidth (or about 2/3 of an entire cable plant). The same satellite is adding an additional 500MHz of Ka service. Between that, DVBS-2X (which supports channel bonding) and HEVC, will give DirecTV plenty of bandwidth to deliver any HD channel they want as well dozens of UHD channels, should any ever develop.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:01:56 EDT

maartena posted :

said by thetick:

A better question is WHAT can one actually watch in 4K? If consumers would actually research this question the consumer could save lots of money and disappointment.

The answer is almost NOTHING. The TV manufacturers need a new buzz word to sell expensive overpriced high end TVs to naive want-a-be techies. 3D TV was disaster I don't see 4K being anymore then the next buzz word to sell TVs.

It all about money and marketing right now.

Actually, I have seen Netflix in 4k at a friends house, and it looks pretty awesome. They have added a lot of content in 4k over the last year or so.
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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:59:50 EDT

maartena posted :

said by osai789:

I have the FiOS Ultimate package with 50/50 internet and I plan to get a 4k tv next month. I realize that cable cannot handle 4K, but FiOS could with the HD already being uncompressed. Are 4k channels possible over the next 2-3 years?

4k is possible NOW, as far as the technology goes, but no one is broadcasting in it at this moment.

DirecTV has some PPV channels on their new satellite that is 4k, and apparently it looks awesome. I think the first TEST of 4k broadcasting will be around the 2016 Olympics.

As far as bandwidth goes, FIOS should theoretically have enough (a single fiber strand can hold 10 times what they are pushing through it now), but I don't know the FIOS setup and which limiting factors (such as hardware) lie in between.

Also: NO channels broadcast in 1080p either, just 1080i. Again, DirecTV has 1080p PPV channels and 4k PPV channels, but no broadcasting is done in 4k. If it happens, broadcasters will probably skip 1080p and go straight to 4k, but I don't expect anyone to seriously switch till at least 2016.
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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:37:57 EDT

PJL posted :

said by blue_trooper:

said by PJL:

said by blue_trooper:

How does DirecTtv possibly stream 4K content? Or do you have to download it to a Genie by requesting it hours before you want to watch?

Streaming 4K content is no different than any other content. You can search the web for the details of how DirecTV does it.

I'm just doubting they have the bandwidth for 4K streaming without compressing the shit out of it. 4K video needs at least 20Mbps.

Netflix use are 15Mbps with HEVC. That's jump change for DirecTV -- it's like 4 MPEG4 channels.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:33:39 EDT

blue_trooper posted :

said by PJL:

said by blue_trooper:

How does DirecTtv possibly stream 4K content? Or do you have to download it to a Genie by requesting it hours before you want to watch?

Streaming 4K content is no different than any other content. You can search the web for the details of how DirecTV does it.

I'm just doubting they have the bandwidth for 4K streaming without compressing the shit out of it. 4K video needs at least 20Mbps.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:03:37 EDT

matcarl posted : Verizon internet has gone symmetrical, offering download and upload speeds the same, if that's what you mean.
Verizon has no plans on expanding to more areas, and they are in the process of selling off a few states. I hope the rest remain.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:58:20 EDT

alchav posted :

said by PJL:

said by gene1138:

Real question is if FIOS is gonna be around in 3 years.

Yes. For people in Indiana, Oregon, Washington, Florida, Texas and California it will be -- in the form of Frontier FiOS. They still brand the old Verizon FiOS that way. And for whoever buys the rest of the Verizon FiOS footprint if Verizon sells if off to finance wireless.

Sorry, I don't see Verizon FiOS going anywhere. I know all you guys think Wireless is going to take over, but I feel Internet Providers will have to go with FTTH to survive. FiOS is there, Verizon just has to go Symmetrical. IPTV and Streaming are the Future, and only Big Pipes will Win!

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:42:02 EDT

matcarl posted : They may brand it that way, but they make their own TV renewal deals with the channels, and they could drop ones we have and add ones that Verizon doesn't carry.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:34:51 EDT

PJL posted :

said by gene1138:

Real question is if FIOS is gonna be around in 3 years.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:31:42 EDT

gene1138 posted : Real question is if FIOS is gonna be around in 3 years.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:53:26 EDT

buckingham posted : I will hazard that 4K will not be something meaningful for "broadcast" TV (including "cable") for a very long time. The action for 4K will likely be mostly with streaming sources, such as Netflix, but even there, content will be limited. But if a 4K TV is "done right" relative to how they handle pixel interpolation when upscaling, there could be some noticeable visual improvement on HD material...for larger screens.

I personally wouldn't make the investment "now", myself...but that's me.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:30:12 EDT

lee7n posted : Gonna be a while, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:53:39 EDT

Jehu posted :

said by alchav:

I think Providers will show what's in demand

Hey I am psyched for the advent of higher quality content. I just hope that quality will include less compression not just higher pixel count.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:11:22 EDT

PJL posted :

said by blue_trooper:

How does DirecTtv possibly stream 4K content? Or do you have to download it to a Genie by requesting it hours before you want to watch?

Streaming 4K content is no different than any other content. You can search the web for the details of how DirecTV does it.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:11:14 EDT

blue_trooper posted : How does DirecTtv possibly stream 4K content? Or do you have to download it to a Genie by requesting it hours before you want to watch?

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:50:50 EDT

PJL posted :

said by alchav:

I think Providers will show what's in demand and to keep up with competition.

Well except Verizon (keeping up with the competition). xfinityh and DirecTV are already providing 4K content. And we know how long it took FiOS to catch up with them on simple HD content.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:48:01 EDT

alchav posted :

said by Jehu:

said by alchav:

Amazon has 4K content and I'm sure VUDU will follow.

Here's my problem...While I do not own a 4K tv, I question the quality of streaming, upconverted 4K content (netflix, amazon, etc). Streaming services have enough trouble with 1080p content a la compression coupled with ISP choke. I have to believe that streaming 4K content must be uber-compressed to keep customers from yelling about buffering. Television... we're still stuck @ 1080i at best.

That said, I'm a big fan of remastering, so whenever 4k-8k remastered movies come along, I'll be paying attention.

Even though we got a little off the subject, I think Providers will show what's in demand and to keep up with competition. Most people are split on 4K content, but the way Technology moves if you are not one step ahead you are left way behind. So if 4K is in the near future, I say be ready with a nice 55"+ UHDTV!

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:09:41 EDT

bull3964 posted :

said by RScottyL:

But based on the conversations I had with movie studio executives during a Digital Entertainment Group event the other night, Hollywood seems to be on board with the new format, and content should be available since many studios are already mastering their releases in 4K.

This really isn't true, at least not for films that are at the end of their pipeline right now. Most of the films released even today are mastered in only 2k. It's really easy to look it up on IMDB under technical specs.

Just take a look at the current box office. Jupiter Ascending, Seventh Son, Kingsman, 50 Shades of Grey, American Sniper, Spongebob. They are all done with a 2k DI. In fact, most of them were shot digitally using a 2.8k sensor so they could never be fully 4k even if they were remastered from scratch.

Today, unless the movie was released by Sony, it more than likely has a 2k DI. It is more common than it was a year ago, but it's still far from widespread. There's also over a decade's worth of content that will never be anything other than an upscale.

Maybe they mean films being worked on right now which will be in theaters in a year or two, but right now released stuff is still mostly 2k.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:08:09 EDT

PJL posted : The article's two-year old predictions (and some assumptions) were mostly over taken by real accomplishments last year. For example, 4:4:4 support is already in current UHD models, as is full HEVC and UHD streaming that use rates higher than the author suggests. And my personal experience is that they produce superb quality that is noticeably better than 1080p.

Again, to the topic of this thread, FiOS could stream UHD at extremely high rates via IP if Verizon wanted to and they use a platform that supports HEVC (either and STB or an app on a 4K Smart TV).

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:50:01 EDT

Jehu posted : Thanks for the info PJL . Perceived streaming quality is obviously subjective (IMO it's okay). I found this article to be an interesting read on the challenges of quality HD/UHD content.
»www.andrew-robinson-onli ··· ression/

mo pixels mo problems

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:02:12 EDT

matcarl posted :

said by webcobbler:

OwlSaver,

If that is the case, than I will take better quality over more channels any day.

Even H2? LOL

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:07:59 EDT

Thinkdiff posted : I think that's why many manufacturers are trying to push the "Ultra HD" name now. 4K Cinema is truly 4K (4096 x 2160).

2160p just sounds weird, too ;)
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Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:05:24 EDT

dcowboy posted : Should really be 3.84k - guess doesnt have the same ring to it though.

Re: 4k channels over FiOS in 2-3 years

Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:04:08 EDT

webcobbler posted : Thanks for the post, RScottyL

But that article is over a month old. New articles have more detail about the format now.

For example :

»www.cnet.com/news/ultra- ··· we-know/

or

»www.techradar.com/us/new ··· -1284983

Also Duel 66GB disks will be encoded at 108mbps. And Triple Layer 100GB disks at 128mbps