Topic 'Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code...' in forum 'VOIP Tech Chat' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954277 en Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:11:39 EDT Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:11:39 EDT Re: N9X http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29958622 said by N9MD:

Although NANPA could certainly put these A/Cs to use over the next few years, the rate of consumption of new DIDs in the world region covered by the "1" country code will ultimately demand adding an extra digit somewhere.

Off course, we do not know how the political decisions will look like and based on that, how fast the US/Can population will grow, but based on current situation i do not see the need for that for very many years to come. Here in SE FL, the predictions of necessity to ad more area codes did not come through in spite of very steep population growth. Just about everyone around here has a cell phone, the growth of mobile subscribers comes here largely from tablet etc users and unlike us VOiP freaks, most people do not need a dozen DIDs. Hopefully also businesses will start to understand that fax is a 20th century technology and start dropping it, freeing additional numbers.
Also, one day area codes may become obsolete, freeing a large number of additional number combinations. So my belief is that we will be fine with 10 digits for years to come. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29958622 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 22:24:16 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29958250 said by NefCanuck:

Why does the US/Canada share the area code system anyways?

If each country had their own full set of area codes wouldn't we be nowhere near capacity at this point? Make the US country code 1 and Canada can be 2 and things are good to go right?

Hmm, Canada has currently only 38 area codes. I don't see how not having those it would make a big difference for USA.
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»www.voipfan.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29958250 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 18:38:58 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29958248 said by NefCanuck:

Make the US country code 1 and Canada can be 2 and things are good to go right?

That would shed maybe 10% of the numbers in use (based on Canada having a population of around 10% of the US), which would make no difference to the bigger picture.

Plus country code "2" is already used (as the first digit of several other country codes), however I'm sure the Canadians would be happy with one of the available free codes like +978.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29958248 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 18:37:48 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29958104 said by NefCanuck:

Why does the US/Canada share the area code system anyways?

If each country had their own full set of area codes wouldn't we be nowhere near capacity at this point? Make the US country code 1 and Canada can be 2 and things are good to go right?

But we love you guys.

Seriously, if there are countries that should be separated from the "1" North American Dial Plan it should be:

Bermuda, Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, the Bahamas, Barbados, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Grenada, Jamaica, Montserrat, Sint Maarten, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, and Turks & Caicos.

See also:
»www.lincmad.com/caribbean.html

By the way, country codes starting with "2" generally go with the continent of Africa, for example Egypt 20, South Africa 27, Nigeria 234, although there are exceptions such as Aruba (297).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29958104 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 17:02:02 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29957998
Why does the US/Canada share the area code system anyways?

If each country had their own full set of area codes wouldn't we be nowhere near capacity at this point? Make the US country code 1 and Canada can be 2 and things are good to go right?

NefCanuck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29957998 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 15:55:49 EDT Re: N9X http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29957860
All because, unlike cell phones, you don't press a "send" button when you dial a number - numbers are transmitted to the switching equipment (on an analog line) one digit at a time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29957860 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:23:58 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29957375 said by mdseuss:

I'm glad that someone had the good sense to assign exchange 978-666 to Salem MA....

Area code 321 originally was going to be assigned to Chicago, but Robert Osband in Florida led a successful campaign to get it assigned to Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center area (as in 3-2-1-Liftoff).

But Chicago later got 872 which spells USA, so that's good too.

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In a similar light, the fact of Interstate "76" starting at Philadelphia was quite deliberate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29957375 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 10:15:37 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29957207 I'm glad that someone had the good sense to assign exchange 978-666 to Salem MA ... while they were available on Google Voice, I grabbed one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29957207 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 07:57:28 EDT Re: N9X http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29956094 said by N9MD:

My point is that the idea of reserving N9X for future expansion was somewhat short-sighted and is now outdated as a means of keeping up with DID assignments ... since these additional 3-digit A/Cs would be consumed quickly over the next 10 years or so.

Unless they use it as a transitionary mechanism, rather than just a new area code.

ie, Area code 456 becomes area code 4956. Both run in parallel for a time (which can happen as there's guaranteed to be no conflicts), then 456 is deprecated. Eventually other 4 digits area codes (without the second digit being 9) can be allocated. That said, appending 0 or 1 to the end of the existing 3 digit codes could probably achieve much the same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29956094 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:58:03 EDT Re: N9X http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29956087
I think this style of number expansion has been used in other countries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-N9X-29956087 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:54:40 EDT N9X http://www.dslreports.com/forum/N9X-29956031
                                  N      9      X
... allowed numbers     2-9    9     0-9   in the respective positions
... yielding multipier      8  x  1  x  10  =  80
                                                           - 1   for disallowed A/C999
                                                           79    available 3-digit area codes

My point is that the idea of reserving N9X for future expansion was somewhat short-sighted and is now outdated as a means of keeping up with DID assignments ... since these additional 3-digit A/Cs would be consumed quickly over the next 10 years or so.

Although NANPA could certainly put these A/Cs to use over the next few years, the rate of consumption of new DIDs in the world region covered by the "1" country code will ultimately demand adding an extra digit somewhere. And as you stated ... but not necessarily for your self-serving rationale ;) ... the more sensible approach appears to be that of adding a final "0" to existing numbers ... and to begin issuing new 12-digit DIDs (including the leading "1").

Incidentally, as soon as 12-digit numbering/dialing is announced, I'll be buying loads of NYSE/ASE/NASDAQ/OTC stocks in the paper production and commercial printing industries ... given the new stationery and envelopes and business cards and print advertising that will be needed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/N9X-29956031 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:22:36 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29955640 said by N9MD:

adding an 11th digit (NPA-NXX-XXXXX) to the end of a DID would not depend on the N9X.

Personally I would prefer a zero being added to the end of my DID, giving me a phone number ending with five zeros. :D Changing my area code from 781 to 7981 would OTOH make my nice phone number less attractive. :(

However, changing 800 possible 3-digit area codes must be so much easier compared to changing thousands of numbers on exchanges. My bet is on 4-digit area codes.
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My guess is that the current three-digit area codes at some point may be changed to four-digit area codes.

... which would negate the need for N9X 'expansion' since X9N is still only 3 digits, and would allow only a relatively small number of new area codes while maintaining the current 11-digit format. This would limit the number of new DIDs that could be added to the system.

A 4-digit area code --- or --- adding an 11th digit (NPA-NXX-XXXXX) to the end of a DID would not depend on the N9X. The latter would add close to 9 billion new DIDs (if my math is correct). It's too early in the morning here to calculate how many new DIDs would result from the former (4-digit AC). ;)

By the way, Arne, it just dawned on me (as dawn is approaching in Boca Raton ) why my 6am post got such a quick response from you ... it's your 'old world' location. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29955436 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 06:33:55 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29955422 said by N9MD:

I thought that 'expansion' implies NANPA eventually going to 12-digit DIDs ... simply adding a '0' to the end of every existing NANPA DID ... 1-201-555-1212 becomes 1-201-555-12120 ... with new 12-digit DIDs ending in '1', '2', etc. ... e.g., 1-201-555-12121.

My guess is that the current three-digit area codes at some point may be changed to four-digit area codes.
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said by N9MD:

I find a total absence of any Code showing a middle digit '9' (X9X); e.g., 297, 591, 994, etc.

said by »www.nanpa.com/area_codes ··· dex.html :

N9X
The 80 codes in this format, called expansion codes, have been reserved for use during the period when the current 10-digit NANP number format undergoes expansion.

That'll teach me to set my screen view 'zoom' to 150% so I can read the 'small print in TOSes. :)

I didn't see the bottom of the page you referenced ... even though my three referenced pages were accessed through your referenced page.

Meanwhile, how does this N9X 'expansion' info impact 'expansion'?

I thought that 'expansion' implies NANPA eventually going to 12-digit DIDs ... simply adding a '0' to the end of every existing NANPA DID ... 1-201-555-1212 becomes 1-201-555-12120 ... with new 12-digit DIDs ending in '1', '2', etc. ... e.g., 1-201-555-12121.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29955413 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:31:57 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29955229 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29955229 Sat, 28 Mar 2015 00:01:06 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954514 said by arpawocky:

According to NANPA, 666 is not assigned but is assignable, as an ERC (Easily Recognizable Code). However, given the negative stigma associated with 666, I doubt it will ever be assigned, no matter how crowded the area-code space becomes.

It's only a matter of time. NWO and all that 'stuff. Add another layer to the tinfoil :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954514 Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:50:18 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954454 said by N9MD:

I find a total absence of any Code showing a middle digit '9' (X9X); e.g., 297, 591, 994, etc.

said by »www.nanpa.com/area_codes ··· dex.html :

N9X
The 80 codes in this format, called expansion codes, have been reserved for use during the period when the current 10-digit NANP number format undergoes expansion.


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In looking down the currently active AC list ...
»www.nanpa.com/enas/geoAr ··· eport.do

and those planned but not yet in service ...
»www.nanpa.com/enas/plann ··· eport.do

and non-geographic codes currently in service ...
»www.nanpa.com/enas/nonGe ··· eport.do

I find a total absence of any Code showing a middle digit '9' (X9X); e.g., 297, 591, 994, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954425 Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:55 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954333 www.nanpa.com/faq/sitefaq.html item 55]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954333 Fri, 27 Mar 2015 16:31:55 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954326
777 could at some point be allocated as an ERC too, which would collide with CallCentric's use of 1-777. I'm considering a similar use case for 1-666 and am curious if ppl think the negative connotation of 666 will keep NANPA from ever allocating it period (as an area code, an ERC, or anything else they might think of later)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954326 Fri, 27 Mar 2015 16:27:27 EDT Re: Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954315
cf:
»www.nanpa.com/area_codes/

Easily Recognizable Codes: When the second and third digits of an area code are the same, that code is called an easily recognizable code (ERC). ERCs designate special services; e.g., 888 for toll-free service.

N11: These (particular) 8 ERCs, called service codes, are not used as area codes.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954315 Fri, 27 Mar 2015 16:23:13 EDT Likelihood of (666) ever becoming a valid NANPA area code... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954277
I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.

I'm asking with a very practical reason in mind.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Likelihood-of-666-ever-becoming-a-valid-NANPA-area-code-29954277 Fri, 27 Mar 2015 16:10:16 EDT