KearnstdSpace Elf
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Kearnstd
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2015-Apr-15 6:55 pm
kill the new DRMWhy is it every new method of video needs a new DRM? We know DRM does not work and we know DRM only exists to cause problems and treat paying customers like criminals.. Scrap the new DRM and just let people use existing equipment with their 4k display. |
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 aaronwt
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aaronwt
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2015-Apr-15 7:23 pm
said by Kearnstd:Why is it every new method of video needs a new DRM? We know DRM does not work and we know DRM only exists to cause problems and treat paying customers like criminals.. Scrap the new DRM and just let people use existing equipment with their 4k display. That is never going to happen. |
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to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd: We know DRM does not work.... Then why worry about this version? |
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KearnstdSpace Elf
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Kearnstd
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2015-Apr-15 7:43 pm
Because its flaws tend to harm those who acquire their stuff legally while not even slowing the pirates. So why bother with it? HDMI gains nothing of value from HDCP. |
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HereToHelp2
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2015-Apr-15 8:24 pm
said by Kearnstd:Because its flaws tend to harm those who acquire their stuff legally while not even slowing the pirates. So why bother with it? HDMI gains nothing of value from HDCP. Do you lock your car door or your house when you leave? why? If someone really wants to break in a piddly lock isn't going to stop them. |
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said by Kearnstd:Why is it every new method of video needs a new DRM? We know DRM does not work and we know DRM only exists to cause problems and treat paying customers like criminals.. Scrap the new DRM and just let people use existing equipment with their 4k display. Don't buy media with DRM and DRM goes away. Simple as that. Hell, I stopped buying media and switched to streaming. After buying the same media over and over and over again through the years (different editions, higher resolution, etc) I chose to get off the mouse wheel. |
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KearnstdSpace Elf
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Last I checked the lock on my car has never impeded me from using it. |
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ctggzg
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ctggzg
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2015-Apr-15 10:07 pm
The 2 seconds it takes to unlock the car is more inconvenient and intrusive than any DRM. |
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said by smk11:said by Kearnstd:Why is it every new method of video needs a new DRM? We know DRM does not work and we know DRM only exists to cause problems and treat paying customers like criminals.. Scrap the new DRM and just let people use existing equipment with their 4k display. Don't buy media with DRM and DRM goes away. Simple as that. Hell, I stopped buying media and switched to streaming. This... is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. "Don't like the heat? Then move somewhere where it's cooler. Hell, I stopped living in Texas and moved to Arizona." Streaming media services are the ultimate form of DRM. The media companies are frothing at the mouth for the day everything goes digital only. Physical DRM is broken quickly and stays broken. Netflix's DRM is still unbroken. When's the last time you ripped a 1:1 copy of a Netflix stream? When's the last time you ripped a 1:1 copy of a Blu-ray? I'll tell you when I did. Yesterday. |
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HereToHelp3 to Kearnstd
Anon
2015-Apr-15 11:38 pm
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said by Kearnstd:Last I checked the lock on my car has never impeded me from using it. How are you impeded? DVDs have DRM. Just push play it works. |
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Last I checked, HDCP has never impeded me from recording an HDMI signal nor has AACS ever impeded me from ripping a Blu-ray.
HDCP strippers and AnyDVD are A Thing, you know.
If a DRM can be easily removed then it might as well not even be there, you know? As far as I'm concerned, HDMI 1.4 and Blu-ray have no DRM. They are DRM-free formats. |
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said by ctggzg:The 2 seconds it takes to unlock the car is more inconvenient and intrusive than any DRM. bullpucky. any time i try to play a bluray on my samsung bd player, 10 - 15 minutes in the screen goes black. why? the DRM handshake goes to crap. i have to power cycle the bd player, the receiver and the tv. i have to do this 4 - 6 times before the crap finally works right and can enjoy the movie. not to mention the ubiquitous "hey you, dont copy this bluray you legally purchased or will fine you a boat load, oh and by the way even though you purchased this legally where not going to let you skip this freaking warning.." if they want to make an improvement, how about descriptive audio for surround sound? every freakin bluray i own that has it only has 2 channel, wth? blind folks arent deserving of surround sound? |
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Anon
2015-Apr-16 8:00 am
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said by 46436203:Last I checked, HDCP has never impeded me from recording an HDMI signal nor has AACS ever impeded me from ripping a Blu-ray.
HDCP strippers and AnyDVD are A Thing, you know.
If a DRM can be easily removed then it might as well not even be there, you know? As far as I'm concerned, HDMI 1.4 and Blu-ray have no DRM. They are DRM-free formats. And if I can easily open a lock on your house or car you might as well not lock it. |
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said by 46436203
This... is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
"Don't like the heat? Then move somewhere where it's cooler. Hell, I stopped living in Texas and moved to Arizona."
Streaming media services are the ultimate form of DRM. The media companies are frothing at the mouth for the day everything goes digital only. Physical DRM is broken quickly and stays broken. Netflix's DRM is still unbroken.
When's the last time you ripped a 1:1 copy of a Netflix stream?
When's the last time you ripped a 1:1 copy of a Blu-ray? I'll tell you when I did. Yesterday.
[/bquote :Streaming does have DRM, but it's easier, cheaper, no real walled garden, resolution/format always the latest, etc.
There's more things to life than the incessant need to own everything. So you do 1:1 rips because you love the content or because you can i.e. a digital hoarder? DVD, SE DVD, Bluray, SE bluray, 4K master bluray, actual 4K bluray, etc. I'm willing to bet you don't watch most of the things you rip. They sit unused like a wall of DVD's before it; sitting just in case you might want to watch it. This is coming from someone who would find still sealed DVD's in my collection. They remained sealed until I got off the hamster wheel and sold them. Streaming is better despite the DRM. |
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46436203 (banned)
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2015-Apr-16 12:38 pm
This is irrelevant to the original conversation.
You promoted streaming as an alternative to people who didn't want a media format with DRM.
That was an incredibly stupid thing to say and judging by your attempt to steer the argument in a completely different direction you seem to be in agreement. |
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tshirt
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said by 46436203:When's the last time you ripped a 1:1 copy of a Netflix stream? If you want 1:1 ,true blue ray resolution, and DRM free, you aren't going to be watching Netflix or any other legal stream. Buying content without getting a physical copy, gives the provider TOTAL control and your online library is only yours while they exist and remain happy. |
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