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Re: Costsaid by HeadSpinning:said by FiberToTheX:However 50,000 is almost nothing considering that alot of this new deployment aside from aerial builds will be utilizing dark fiber already laid about 15+ years ago by companies such as Telus. Do you have ANYTHING to back up the claim that Bell will be using fibre laid by Telus? Do you have anything to back up where Bell will not be using existing dark fiber that was laid there already ?Bell will not be overlaying new fiber for underground Brownfield areas over existing dark fiber and it wouldn't make any sense anyway logically especially since FiberStream was mentioned for wholesale. I mentioned Telus because that was an example of one of the companies that laid dark fiber throughout Toronto prior/during the dotcom bubble but if you want to skew and distort my post then don't expect anything from that. |
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Re: Costsaid by FiberToTheX:said by HeadSpinning:said by FiberToTheX:However 50,000 is almost nothing considering that alot of this new deployment aside from aerial builds will be utilizing dark fiber already laid about 15+ years ago by companies such as Telus. Do you have ANYTHING to back up the claim that Bell will be using fibre laid by Telus? Do you have anything to back up where Bell will not be using existing dark fiber that was laid there already ?Bell will not be overlaying new fiber for underground Brownfield areas over existing dark fiber and it wouldn't make any sense anyway logically especially since FiberStream was mentioned for wholesale. I mentioned Telus because that was an example of one of the companies that laid dark fiber throughout Toronto prior/during the dotcom bubble but if you want to skew and distort my post then don't expect anything from that. I post for reference a link to the article posted on the main page: » www.newswire.ca/en/story ··· ect-jobsCan you please show me anywhere in their announcement that says they won't be using only their own fibre? Bell in fact DOES lay new underground fibre in brownfield areas. |
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idiotboy
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2015-Jun-29 8:56 am
Can you guys post where you see the deployments. In Willowdale, they went in last summer with hydro in a subdivsion around Bathurst/Finch, streets are Torresdale,Robert Hicks, Ivan Nelson. |
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said by idiotboy :Can you guys post where you see the deployments. In Willowdale, they went in last summer with hydro in a subdivsion around Bathurst/Finch, streets are Torresdale,Robert Hicks, Ivan Nelson. In my part (SE of Finch station) of Willowdale the utilities are above ground. Here are my old pics taken in the neighborhood from my post 2 years ago: » Re: [Internet] Fiber Optic upgrade in North York (SE if Yonge/FiAnd the inside of my electrical room after installation late August: » Fiber Optic upgrade in North York - final |
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2015-Jun-29 9:40 am
said by hlo207:And the inside of my electrical room after installation late August: The box on the right side of the picture looks like a modem/router. What's the box on the left (with a Bell logo on it) and why is it so large? said by hlo207:And the inside of my electrical room after installation late August: If I read the caption (doh!) I'd have realized it is a UPS. Is this a mandatory part of a Bell fibre installation? The footprint looks quite large. |
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said by Gone:(I like these last two because the fibre was laid underground even though the copper was aerial) Bringing the poles up to current code (which they're required to do if they want to attach new network) likely would have cost them more than burying it. |
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said by ings:The box on the right side of the picture looks like a modem/router.
Is this a mandatory part of a Bell fibre installation? The footprint looks quite large. That box is the ONT (Outdoor Network Terminal) where the optical signal is converted back to phone and LAN. The router is not in the room. From the ONT came the outdoor rated Cat5e (from Bell) that went outside and up to my 2nd floor computer room where the HH1000 sits. You have to take the Bell UPS as far as I know. For me anyway the phone is still Bell and it needs to work if the power goes out. The Bell UPS kept the phone operational for 16 hrs during the Xmas 2013 ice storm. Internet usually gets cut off within 1 min in a blackout. The only way (I heard) you can get around that is to have another UPS to plug the Bell UPS into. The Bell UPS won't know in that case the power is out. Not sure the power consumption but I suspect a lower end UPS should be able to keep the ONT in full functional order for a while. (I know those lower end UPS kept my HH1000 (alone) up for over 30 mins if you don't mind the beeping). However IMO you need to get your head checked if you think your internet is more important than your phone line (and whatever else around the dwelling) during a prolonged (1+ hr) blackout. If you must run your server farm at home for $$ making purposes, then you should invest in heavy duty UPS, gas or gasoline powered generators, automatic switchover gears, etc. |
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said by HeadSpinning:Bringing the poles up to current code (which they're required to do if they want to attach new network) likely would have cost them more than burying it. Maybe, but there are other areas in town where they replaced nearly every single pole prior to running the fibre. |
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said by hlo207:said by ings:The box on the right side of the picture looks like a modem/router.
Is this a mandatory part of a Bell fibre installation? The footprint looks quite large. That box is the ONT (Outdoor Network Terminal) where the optical signal is converted back to phone and LAN. The router is not in the room. From the ONT came the outdoor rated Cat5e (from Bell) that went outside and up to my 2nd floor computer room where the HH1000 sits. An ONT is an Optical Network Terminal. |
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said by Gone:Maybe, but there are other areas in town where they replaced nearly every single pole prior to running the fibre. All depends on who's dime it's on. If the pole is already at a point where it fails no matter what, the electric utility has to replace it. If it has to be replaced solely to accommodate the new attachment, then it's on the telecom company's dime. |
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2015-Jun-29 7:41 pm
CNP maintains all poles here, regardless of whether they're used for hydro or exclusively for telco. |
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said by Gone:CNP maintains all poles here, regardless of whether they're used for hydro or exclusively for telco. Doesn't matter who maintains them - it only matters what was wrong with it in the first place. If Bell goes out, surveys a line of poles, and tells the pole owner that they're unsafe even before they touch them, the pole owner is obligated to replace them at their own cost. If Bell goes out and and surveys the poles, and finds that they're fine as they sit, but if they want to attach to them and put additional load on them they have to be replaced (or other changes need to be made such as insulator replacement, etc.), then Bell pays the costs |
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But how bad does a pole have to be before it's replaced? I'm just watching the pole on north west corner of Yonge and 16 lean more and more since the winter. I'd estimate it's on a 20-25 degree lean now. No idea when PowerStream plans to replace it. |
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2015-Jun-30 11:12 am
Interesting question. I noticed along Eglinton in Toronto near Brentcliff, there were a whole bunch of poles that were replaced. There was no lean and the poles themselves seemed in OK shape, but I don't know how to assess the poles obviously.
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said by eelw:But how bad does a pole have to be before it's replaced? I'm just watching the pole on north west corner of Yonge and 16 lean more and more since the winter. I'd estimate it's on a 20-25 degree lean now. No idea when PowerStream plans to replace it. Get up close and personal to the pole. They ususally have something on them, like an aluminum tag indicating whom the owner is. For instance: BTC for bell telephone company. If theres hydro on it too, 99.9% chance it's hydro. 20-25% lean isn't a problem as long as it's stable. You can jab a screwdriver into it at the base and see how far it goes in. Something like this: » www.google.ca/search?q=p ··· A0LJM%3Awould be addressed quickly. |
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said by eelw:But how bad does a pole have to be before it's replaced? I'm just watching the pole on north west corner of Yonge and 16 lean more and more since the winter. I'd estimate it's on a 20-25 degree lean now. No idea when PowerStream plans to replace it. If you see one of these... stay back... » cep.rave7.net/cep/images ··· lert.pdf |
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LOLWHAT?!?!? Okay don't feel so bad for the neglected pole I mentioned in comparison to THAT!!!!!! But down Yonge street from Major Mac to Steeles, several poles with more lean than 30 degrees. |
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said by eelw:LOLWHAT?!?!? Okay don't feel so bad for the neglected pole I mentioned in comparison to THAT!!!!!! But down Yonge street from Major Mac to Steeles, several poles with more lean than 30 degrees. Not just there but also North of Major Mac as well and you will see many overloaded or leaning poles. |
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