 camperjust visiting this planet
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2015-Nov-11 2:43 pm
Is it possible to use coffee machines and stay safe from hackers?» securityaffairs.co/wordp ··· ing.html
...When a connected coffee machine is turned on it opens a non-encrypted hotspot and listens to UPNP traffic. On the client side, the smartphone running the mobile app provided by the vendor of the coffee machines connects to the hotspot and sends a broadcast UDP request searching for UPNP devices. The Coffee machine establish the communication with the app exchanging several data including the SSID and the password to the home wireless network, unfortunately they are in clear text....
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 DonoftheDeadOld diver
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If you're smart enough to secure it, you're probably smart enough not to buy it in the first place. Just my opinion, but security is worth more than convenience.  edit: left out "than" |
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Ahhh the joys of I(di)oT devices never ceases to enrage me... particularly if I don't have my coffee. |
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Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? |
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said by DarkSithPro:Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? Well, the coffee machine is all the way over there, and I don't wanna get up.... |
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said by DarkSithPro:Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? Budweiser sells a refrigerator that monitors how much beer it has and tells your smartphone app when you need to order more beer, which can be done directly from the app of course. The refrigerator also monitors the schedule of your favorite team, notifies you of upcoming games, and tells you if you have enough beer fore the game. Really. |
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said by Boooooost :said by DarkSithPro:Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? Budweiser sells a refrigerator ... Beer vs Privacy. Privacy is going to lose that battle in my household.  |
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said by DarkSithPro:Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? If you are out of town and your well stocked freezer (for whatever reason) drops below a certain critical temperature you get an immediate sms message early enough to take effective action and save the contents. |
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 BlackbirdBuilt for Speed
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said by seaman:said by DarkSithPro:Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? If you are out of town and your well stocked freezer (for whatever reason) drops below a certain critical temperature you get an immediate sms message early enough to take effective action and save the contents. Uhmm... if it drops 'below' a certain temperature, it wouldn't create much problem - cold things would just get colder. On the other hand, if it rose 'above' a certain temperature, that would be troublesome. Regardless, if you're way out of town, there wouldn't be much 'effective action' you could do about it anyhow, unless you've given a house-key to some friendly repairman. The problem is that most of the scenarios supporting the IOT appliances are either abstract or artificial... like a technology solution in search of a problem. Perhaps society will eventually figure out a genuine need, but that day is not this day. |
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camperjust visiting this planet
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said by Blackbird:The problem is that most of the scenarios supporting the IOT appliances are either abstract or artificial... like a technology solution in search of a problem. Throw in the occasion scare tactics (e.g., losing the food in your freezer), and your comment is Worth Repeating. |
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said by Blackbird:Uhmm... if it drops 'below' a certain temperature, it wouldn't create much problem - cold things would just get colder. On the other hand, if it rose 'above' a certain temperature, that would be troublesome. Thank you for correcting my statement. Some people have people watching their house when their gone. I just thought it was a real world example. It's true, like the early days of smart phones, tablets, and touch screens, etc. we dont fully envision all the practical and useful applications of this technology yet. However, I see the self-monitoring and reporting function of appliances from refrigerators to furnaces, etc. to be quite useful. I would like to get a recall notice on the exact model I am using via email the moment it is issued. I would like to know an appliance motor is degrading before it actually dies. That allows me to plan for it. |
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I thought RFC 2324 was an April Fool's Joke?said by DarkSithPro:Can someone explain to me why you would want common household appliances such as refrigerators and coffee machines connected to the internet? Well, someone decided it was a good idea to put a DHCP server on a "smart fridge" once... What's the next household appliance that needs to go I(di)oT / Smart (FAIL) next? Regards |
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2015-Nov-12 10:58 pm
said by HELLFIRE:What's the next household appliance that needs to go I(di)oT / Smart (FAIL) next How about the toilet (is that an appliance ?) It could inform me when I need to pee (or crap) and remind me if I forget to flush. |
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@Tekie There is supposedly one in the works. It also analyzes the leavings for health purposes » istep.ifmefector.com/201 ··· -health/ |
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Personal Antivirus and Firewall for every tea bag! Security matters. |
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said by Velnias:Personal Antivirus and Firewall for every tea bag! Security matters. » news.hitb.org/content/wi ··· securitymake one |
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BlackbirdBuilt for Speed
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Then install it beneath a small drone, and just imagine the chaos that you could create, moving it from place to place. |
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or in other words like the lazy ass man in the world...... a guy that shits in bed and kicks it out with his feet ) |
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said by Rogue Wolf:Well, the coffee machine is all the way over there, and I don't wanna get up.... Touche! You've just defined the attitude of many folks and particularly a number of Americans. |
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Really? Just Americans? Seems to me that cell phones and all the appliances that are connected to everything these days is just not by Americans. However, I think what was described are the millenials or whatever they're called today, all over the globe. |
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said by jaykaykay:Really? Just Americans? Seems to me that cell phones and all the appliances that are connected to everything these days is just not by Americans. However, I think what was described are the millenials or whatever they're called today, all over the globe. Agreed. I purposely wrote the comment to be read as inclusive of everyone world-wide but pointing out Americans as being one of the prime offenders. As far as the current crop of worldwide Gen Z(ero) and including Gen X as well, too: your observation is unfortunately painfully and quite pathetically right on the mark. |
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said by scelli:... As far as the current crop of worldwide Gen Z(ero) and including Gen X as well, too: your observation is unfortunately painfully and quite pathetically right on the mark. As much as I respect both you & jaykaykay & usually find myself in agreement with your viewpoints I balk at this one. It's normal for older generations to pass a harsh judgement on successive generations - our predecessors were equally confused/worried about our generations. Having said that - the days of having a high school education, a good head on your shoulders with a moderate amount of ambition was a solid foundation for life are gone. Today, I doubt if Millenniums have it that easy. Just saying. |
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said by Snowy:Having said that - the days of having a high school education, a good head on your shoulders with a moderate amount of ambition was a solid foundation for life are gone.
Today, I doubt if Millenniums have it that easy.
Just saying. Although my comments may seem to be a blanket condemnation, as always there are exceptions to every rule and that is certainly true to a certain degree in this case as well. However, you're absolutely correct in the observation regarding education, etc. and I'm in full agreement. Regarding them not having it easy, such an opinion could also very well be correct but I freely admit there is most likely a difference in how I view that compared to the way others do. To put it bluntly: I won't shed any tears when they are hoisted by their own petards due to such lifestyles and behavior. Have fun with your toys now, people: there is coming a time in the not-so-distant future when such excesses will all come crashing down upon clueless noggins. When that happens, all the king's horses and all the king's men won't be able to put the bunch of them back together again. So be it. |
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said by Snowy:Today, I doubt if Millenniums have it that easy You are correct, they actually have it easier... coddled beyond belief. However this is a discussion for a different thread so I will stand down on the matter. |
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said by Chubbzie:You are correct, they actually have it easier... coddled beyond belief. However this is a discussion for a different thread so I will stand down on the matter. Same here. |
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I don't see anything of real use in IoT coffeepots or fridges. I need menial labor, and if it's a machine, it should not be self-aware.
I can program these things myself. Now I can use a robot to do the menial chores that the IoT can't or won't touch. Empty cat pan (the cats don't like the auto one), do laundry (right down to folding it and putting it away) the same with a dishwasher, cleaning floors and rugs. The Roomba doesn't wash the floor.
Now how would you know if one got hit by or prevent such a robot from getting hacked? Do they need to be online or can you program by IR like a TV remote? |
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Almost as bad as an internet connected toilet... |
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 Bill_MIBill In Michigan
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Same old same old. Your security devices won't be compromised, no need. They'll get in through your *&^%$# connected light bulbs and toasters programmed by the security-clueless. |
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said by seaman:said by Blackbird:Uhmm... if it drops 'below' a certain temperature, it wouldn't create much problem - cold things would just get colder. On the other hand, if it rose 'above' a certain temperature, that would be troublesome. Thank you for correcting my statement. Some people have people watching their house when their gone. I just thought it was a real world example. It's true, like the early days of smart phones, tablets, and touch screens, etc. we dont fully envision all the practical and useful applications of this technology yet. However, I see the self-monitoring and reporting function of appliances from refrigerators to furnaces, etc. to be quite useful. I would like to get a recall notice on the exact model I am using via email the moment it is issued. I would like to know an appliance motor is degrading before it actually dies. That allows me to plan for it. This is one of the reasons why people I know are always broke all the time,in debt,and have no wealth accumulation. Better to plan to have an emergency fund than to fund a beta test for appliances with bells and whistles. I already know my appliances are depreciating and motors are degrading anyway after purchase and in use but none has failed. My fridge has been cold for years and I've been away from home weeks and months at a time from my condo here and in Florida with no problems. My household emergency fund has grown since I purchase my fridge and can pretty much buy six new fridges with the amount and no debt. |
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I have a couple of cloud-connected thermometers so I can know, when away from the house for extended periods in winter, that the heating system is functioning (most likely cause of non-functioning: out of oil). I have a couple of basement-floor water sensors for similar reasons (there have been February-thaw floods). I appreciate you might not have those concerns in Florida, but it's a big country. Here, no heating = the house will surely die.
Total outlay, maybe $300. Ongoing expenditure, nil.
As far as the bragging goes, I'm not really sure how many fridges I could buy. Dozens? |
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