Canadian Broadband → Re: Connecting to a CLEC lastmile

Your clearly don't even have an understanding how or why I want to do this.

I do not service urban areas, only rural ones. And my dslam of choice supports vectoring.

I dont need physical to bells access to a JWI I just need 48 pairs brought into their box and cross connected to mine where I can pay bell (hopefully around $100) to roll out a technician to connect it.

Its a rural JWI after a load coil for where I have in mind for this it wouldn't even need a separate set of filters at the rural phone switch 10km away as the load coil should attenuate all my VDSL2s signals to nothing before it hits the DMS phone switch.

Edit: Bell doesn't care about the rural areas, if they didn't bother bringing VDSL to garden hill (about 600+ homes) after they brought an optical circuit in to the central office they sure aren't about to go after the 30 homes down this street that cant even be properly service with fixed wireless. (Too many tall trees and hills).

Edit: The type of attitude I am getting from you guys in this thread is exactly the type of attitude that is keeping everyone in the region from having access to first world internet.

Edit: sorry to burst people's bubble here but urban areas like Toronto are not the center of the universe.

Bell would specifically NOT do this just to avoid setting a precedent.

 
And I hate to burst YOURS, but Bell could care less about your good intentions, nor that you seem to have done your homework about the technological considerations, and it does not matter that they themselves have not expressed intent to service that area.

They still do not want to help anyone else to service it.

If you think that WE are a tough audience, just wait until you talk to Bell !

Case in Point :

I lived in a smaller community, where Bell at one time openly stated that we would NEVER get DSL because we were not a large enough one, but after the largest well established dialup Indie ISP in the next city spent a lot of money and effort to research and find that they could (at the time - mid 1990s) be allowed to install their own DSLAM into any Bell's COs in the area which Bell had said that they themselves would not be servicing (and rent ports back to Bell and to other IISPs), suddenly one day (1998 or 99, IIRC) Bell reversed their position, and in a matter of months brought DSL, even launching a door-to-door signup foot campaign to mislead subscribers of the same local IISP into believing that only Bell could offer the new DSL, and that the IISP could not.

Of course, the IISP notified all existing dialup customers by email on the same day of the DSL launch, that they could offer DSL too, but it just shows you how two-faced that Bell can be, when it SUITS them.

There were several other similar communities, all within the local calling area of that IISP, which each got DSL around that time, subject to the same politics.

If there is ANY chance of getting Bell to do as you wish, you and/or your lawyer will have to sift thru the CRTC tariffs to see whether and how to go about approaching Bell.

And even if there IS a way, don't count on Bell making it easy, nor eventually deciding to service that area themselves after you have bought all of your hardware and are about to install it.

20+ years with Nortel, Bell, TELUS, Sprint, and several CLEC's - I know more about this then you ever will... sorry to burst your bubble.

I get why and what you want to do. I'm just trying to help you understand why it's not going to happen. It's been thought of before, hell, it's been attempted before; which is why I can say definitively, Bell won't play ball.

Overbuild the region with your own fibre, overbuild with copper; if you want - but Bell (and no other ILEC in Canada) will ever allow sub-loop access; and in about 18 months, they can stop offering loop access at all - and likely will.

And I started with Bell in Peterborough, worked all across Northern Ontario - I've spent most of my career avoiding urban areas - ILEC's want out of the copper business; and have zero interest in providing what you're looking for, urban, suburban, or rural.

This right here pretty much sums it up in my humble opinion.

I'd bet that if they allow unbundling in the rural areas, the argument then potentially allows for it to happen in urban/high density areas.