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BiggA
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Re: Verizon 1 Gig service

said by RolteC:

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That is complete and total BS. Verizon could offer gigabit today on their existing GPON infrastructure, and light up 32 gigabit houses per GPON port if it were bundled with a normal package at a reasonable price, and still have a significantly better oversubscription rate than Comcast has on their HFC systems, which perform over their advertised speed nearly 100% of the time.

There is absolutely NO technical reason that they couldn't offer it under the same installation limitations that they currently offer the 150/150 and higher tiers, i.e. Ethernet from the ONT to the router.

They should phase in with only offering it to existing 150/150 and above customers at first, due to the limitations of rolling trucks for people who can't figure out how to string CAT-6 from their ONT to their router.

In reality though, they will probably just offer it to existing 500/500 subscribers, and if it costs more than $100/mo, the people using it will be extreme users, and they won't be able to put 32 of them on a GPON port.

rollinraver
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said by BiggA:

said by RolteC:

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That is complete and total BS. Verizon could offer gigabit today on their existing GPON infrastructure, and light up 32 gigabit houses per GPON port if it were bundled with a normal package at a reasonable price, and still have a significantly better oversubscription rate than Comcast has on their HFC systems, which perform over their advertised speed nearly 100% of the time.

There is absolutely NO technical reason that they couldn't offer it under the same installation limitations that they currently offer the 150/150 and higher tiers, i.e. Ethernet from the ONT to the router.

They should phase in with only offering it to existing 150/150 and above customers at first, due to the limitations of rolling trucks for people who can't figure out how to string CAT-6 from their ONT to their router.

In reality though, they will probably just offer it to existing 500/500 subscribers, and if it costs more than $100/mo, the people using it will be extreme users, and they won't be able to put 32 of them on a GPON port.

Hold on, I'm a bit confused... the current GPON is 2.4Gbps down and 1.2Gbps on the up... how is it that you believe the existing GPON would support 32 customers at 1Gig speeds?

Thinkdiff
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Thinkdiff

MVM,

It is common practice to oversubscribe residential connections as it's rare for every user to be using even a large portion of their allotted bandwidth simultaneously. For example, it would not be surprising if 8 DOCSIS channels (~300Mbps of bandwidth) were shared by 100-200 households, with some portion of them being Internet subscribers.

I don't know if it's common practice to oversubscribe on FiOS, but they definitely could. Even with the 500Mbps package, it'd be surprising if they only allowed 1-2 subscribers at that level per splitter to keep everything under subscribed. That's not an efficient way to utilize a network.

I doubt Verizon could get away with subscribing all 32 users per splitter to 1Gbps without people complaining though. But offering it as a power tier? Should be possible now.
BiggA
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said by rollinraver:

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It's called oversubscription. How do you think cable internet works in most of the country? Comcast has a couple hundred subscribers at an average speed of around 100mbps sharing 304mbps of bandwidth, and it works fine. Verizon's oversubscription ratio would be SIGNIFICANTLY lower, AND the more bandwidth you have, the better off you are, because those Comcast subscribers at 150mbps are going to be using close to the same amount of bandwidth that the Verizon subscribers at a gigabit would use.
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said by Thinkdiff:

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It depends on the pricing and how many people have it. If you put 32 uber-geeks from dslreports.com on one GPON port, it would be a train wreck. But if they put 15-20 normalish users with cheap bundled gigabit plans on a port, and some slower plans as well, no problem.

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said by BiggA:

said by Thinkdiff:

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It depends on the pricing and how many people have it. If you put 32 uber-geeks from dslreports.com on one GPON port, it would be a train wreck. But if they put 15-20 normalish users with cheap bundled gigabit plans on a port, and some slower plans as well, no problem.

Yes. Very few users (not saying all) do enough to justify having gigabit. Google Fiber has done an amazing job at convincing the general public they do.
BiggA
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said by Branch:

Yes. Very few users (not saying all) do enough to justify having gigabit. Google Fiber has done an amazing job at convincing the general public they do.

But at the same time, why not? They have the technical capability of doing it.

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Thats correct.Google fiber is on gpon anyway.but using some advanced fiber wavelength gymnastics
BiggA
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said by Nyamu1 :

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They are using WDM-PON. 1.25gbps direct to each user, at least on the last mile.

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said by BiggA:

said by Nyamu1 :

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They are using WDM-PON. 1.25gbps direct to each user, at least on the last mile.

Correct. You are on a "logical" dedicated circuit all the way to the edge router of the backbone.

My upload is capped by my computer. When I test on my work machine I get 930 up and down.