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cpufrost
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Re: Verizon 1 Gig service

It's easy to see 1Gbps both ways on an endpoint. Does the average joe need it? Of course not. Just like your car analogy it works when it comes to what one needs and wants.

1000Mbps is very nice when you have lots of clients using cloud storage and large file transfers in real time. Nothing hurts more than when a user saturates the upstream and everyone else experiences dial up experience. I know it can be managed but again the bigger the pipe the less time it takes for big tasks to finish, etc. Of course I'm talking about business use for the most part.

It's nice to have a big pipe at home when you need to grab a multi gigabyte file and it comes through the VPN nearly as fast as if you were copying from the local server!
UofMiamiGrad
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Thanks to a partnership with Verizon, Ralph Walker Tribeca will be the city's first residential building to provide residents 1-gigabyte speeds for lightning-fast service across multiple devices.

»nypost.com/2016/02/25/th ··· ts-home/

Does this mean NG-PON2 is finally being rolled out?
cpufrost
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I was told by two techs and tier 2 engineer that we're getting 1Gbps soon. Can't wait!
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said by UofMiamiGrad:

Thanks to a partnership with Verizon, Ralph Walker Tribeca will be the city's first residential building to provide residents 1-gigabyte speeds for lightning-fast service across multiple devices.

»nypost.com/2016/02/25/th ··· ts-home/

Does this mean NG-PON2 is finally being rolled out?

I guess it must. Since it says 1 Giga Byte, that's 8 GigaBits. I guess they're going to use enterprise grade routers to deliver the service.

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said by sd70mac:

said by UofMiamiGrad:

Thanks to a partnership with Verizon, Ralph Walker Tribeca will be the city's first residential building to provide residents 1-gigabyte speeds for lightning-fast service across multiple devices.

»nypost.com/2016/02/25/th ··· ts-home/

Does this mean NG-PON2 is finally being rolled out?

I guess it must. Since it says 1 Giga Byte, that's 8 GigaBits. I guess they're going to use enterprise grade routers to deliver the service.

That's probably a typo from a non-techie writer.

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Partnership is code word for paying big bucks for non-ordinary services. If the building owner partners with VZ for enterprise service included with tenants, you can bet it's not the start of a roll out for residential

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Yes, I've heard gigabit is coming-- but not until Q1 2017 (could change)
serge87
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said by cpufrost:

I was told by two techs and tier 2 engineer that we're getting 1Gbps soon. Can't wait!

What can't 500Mbps do that 1Gbps can?...
webcobbler
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serge87,

Why stream more 4k and 8k content at the same time, of course.

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4K60fps already takes about 130MBps already, if I remember correctly.
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said by C0deZer0:

4K60fps already takes about 130MBps already, if I remember correctly.

That can't be correct. 130MBps is just about 1gbps.

Also, they would NEVER stream that in MPEG-4. It will be done in HEVC. Ruffly instead of 80mbps for a MPEG-4 stream at 3840x2160p/60fps , HEVC would be 40 mbps.

I also know that NHK has cut down on 8k bandwidth from about 350mbps (in HEVC) to around 85mbps, in HEVC.
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said by Branch:

Yes, I've heard gigabit is coming-- but not until Q1 2017 (could change)

With a promotional price of 1069$/a month on a 5 year contract
serge87
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serge87,

Why stream more 4k and 8k content at the same time, of course.

For the low, low price of $349.00/month!

edit:pattk beat me to it
said by C0deZer0:

4K60fps already takes about 130MBps already, if I remember correctly.

Can you show me a few streaming providers that offer 4k60fps?

C0deZer0
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said by serge87:

said by C0deZer0:

4K60fps already takes about 130MBps already, if I remember correctly.

Can you show me a few streaming providers that offer 4k60fps?

I cannot, because at present I don't know of any.

However, going based off here, Shadowplay can do 4K60 recording at 130Mbps. That would pretty much saturate all but the fastest spinning hard drives.

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Yes Gigabit is coming! You should expect rollouts to start before/around the first D3.1 rollouts by the MSOs.
said by UofMiamiGrad:

Thanks to a partnership with Verizon, Ralph Walker Tribeca will be the city's first residential building to provide residents 1-gigabyte speeds for lightning-fast service across multiple devices.

»nypost.com/2016/02/25/th ··· ts-home/

Does this mean NG-PON2 is finally being rolled out?

It's possible the building management is providing its own non Fios service... getting VZ Business Ethernet and feeding the apartments thru Cat5. I've heard of this type of arrangement in a few newer buildings in NY with a Metro Ethernet fiber line and they will run Cat5 to the apartments and include service in the rent. I haven't heard of any kind of Fios 1gbps rollout in service just yet.
cpufrost
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Multiple users and transfers at full speed to Amazon S3 buckets finish in half the time. If you are asking this question clearly you don't need a faster connection.

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said by C0deZer0:

said by serge87:

said by C0deZer0:

4K60fps already takes about 130MBps already, if I remember correctly.

Can you show me a few streaming providers that offer 4k60fps?

I cannot, because at present I don't know of any.

However, going based off here, Shadowplay can do 4K60 recording at 130Mbps. That would pretty much saturate all but the fastest spinning hard drives.

Hardly. Even my hard drives from 2001 had no problem with 500Mbps speeds. Heck the 2.5", 5400rpm 4TB drives I put in my TiVo Bolts do 1000Mbps read/write speeds. Even my 150/150 internet service is faster than 130Mbps.

Thinkdiff
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Think C0deZer0 is confusing Mbps with MBps (more commonly MB/s). 130MBps, which he originally quoted, would saturate many spinning hard drives. 130Mbps (16MB/sec) would not even saturate a 15 year old hard drive.

I don't know where the 130MB/sec quote came from as uncompressed 4K is higher bandwidth than that and compressed 4K is significantly lower.
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said by cpufrost:

Multiple users and transfers at full speed to Amazon S3 buckets finish in half the time. If you are asking this question clearly you don't need a faster connection.

I understand quite well(I had the 500mbps plan for a year, regularly pulled 10-100TB/month). The time saved downloading at 500mbps vs 1Gbps is marginal and not worth an extra $200 per month. Also, unless you're providing a guest wifi AP for your neighborhood, I highly doubt your household is saturating 500Mbps on a consistent basis to justify 1Gbps. Prove me wrong.
cpufrost
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Hopefully 500mbps users will get upgraded to 1gbps, same price. The 300mbps service will be the new 500, etc. No way would it be worth it to pay $200 more! Depends on what Comcast and others charge for their offerings. Most households only care about downstream anyhow. I could only imaging the reaction to them telling me it's another $200/mo. Probably along the lines of this!

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· JUQxE9tY
ScrawnyB
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Verizon will want to step up their game for these high-end customers, especially in areas like mine where the Comcast Multi-Gig/Gigabit Pro (2Gbit) service is roughly the same price ($269.95/month best price for FiOS versus $299.95/month for Comcast) as FiOS 500Mbps. The only real differentiator there is likely the install cost plus the required contract for Comcast. Although I still largely agree that this is a PR thing. I think Comcast would crush Verizon in some of these areas if they offered a 500Mbps package similarly for like $150/month. It will be interesting seeing going forward how much cable companies like Comcast invest in other fiber solutions (including this Metro-Ethernet) versus using DOCSIS 3.1 via the HFC plants.
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said by cpufrost:

Hopefully 500mbps users will get upgraded to 1gbps, same price. The 300mbps service will be the new 500, etc. No way would it be worth it to pay $200 more! Depends on what Comcast and others charge for their offerings. Most households only care about downstream anyhow. I could only imaging the reaction to them telling me it's another $200/mo. Probably along the lines of this!

You're correct in that *most* customers only care about downstream, but *most* customers are not paying $250/mo for internet. Those folks *do* care about the upstream.
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said by ScrawnyB:

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It's not worth their while to install MetroE equipment for $150/mo. If they had used SDV, they could have pushed out 300mbps via DOCSIS 3 like TWC has.