psyc0ld
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psyc0ld
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2016-Jan-3 9:37 pm
Anveo + voip.ms viable duo?Hi,
I'm currently with Voip.ms and very satisfied with the service. Lately, I was reading around about other voip cies and I opened accounts to see the look and feel of these cies just for fun. I've read some topics here and around about which cie is better and why. So I've came up to see some advantages and disadvantages about voip.ms, anveo, callcentric and circlenet.
I'm not a big user. Maybe 100-150 min per month mostly calls in Canada. So, with all the reading I've made, I ask myself if I can not use the best part of each provider.
I came up with the idea to port my number to anveo and have the personal unlimited for 2$ + the 911 fee 0,80$ for all my incoming calls. It gave me the advantage over voip.ms the redundancy if one pop fails.
From there, I'd like to forward my call by sip uri using my voip.ms inum or at least a virtual number at 0,25$ a month if it's not working with my inum number.
Since voip.ms give me more flexibility about my setting ie. more sub-account for free is my main concern in this case. And I'd like to make all my outgoing calls with voip.ms. (I may use circlenet in some case too).
With this set up, if I pay the 911 fee with anveo, I imagine I'll need to make any 911 calls with anveo or it's possible to forward my 911 calls to anveo from voip.ms in my dialplan? I'll receive my obi202 this week so I know I can set both but, I may use this set up for a colleague with probably a regular ata.
Also, let's say voip.ms pop fails and my forwarding too, does anveo have failover features to forward to my cell phone or to my obi directly like I'm using just anveo?
thanks for your help and thought about this set up. If you have better idea please post. |
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MangoUse DMZ and you get a kick in the dick.
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Mango
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2016-Jan-3 9:56 pm
Some thoughts based on your post:
1) VoIP.ms's 911 is slightly more reliable. Anveo sends your address information to the 911 call centre when you place a 911 call. VoIP.ms sends your address information when you register for 911. VoIP.ms's technique has fewer points of failure, although it is more expensive.
2) VoIP.ms and Anveo use the same carrier, ISP Telecom, for much of their Canadian termination (outgoing calls).
3) I suggest you do not forward calls from one service provider to the other, as this will make troubleshooting difficult, and each company will immediately blame the other if you ever request support. This will also increase latency and add potential points of failure. If you want to try it, that's fine, but perhaps you should make sure your setup is solid first without extra forwarding.
Good luck with your project,
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I think it's ok to use a couple of providers, in fact I just mentioned that in another thread. But that's mainly to have outbound backup, you don't necessarily want to start doing a lot of inbound forwarding. I agree with Mango on that. You don't want to make it TOO complicated (think of Wile E. Coyote of the Road Runner cartoons). For example you mention iNum. iNum is often down, has no customer support, and an uncertain future. If you really, really need to forward, pure SIP URI is better. I'm not a big user. Maybe 100-150 min per month mostly calls in Canada. CallCentric's new "North America Basic" outbound plan will give you 120 outbound minutes (Canada/US) per month for 1.95 and that includes the 911 service. » www.callcentric.com/products/Might be one thing to consider. |
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taoman
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If cost is an issue, given your usage pattern it would be cheaper for you to port to CircleNet. CircleNet is also on this list: » ITSP's with geographic redundancy. DID monthly cost is $1.50 (but includes E911) with a rate of .002/minute. You'd have to be using more than 600 incoming minutes per month to make Anveo cheaper. And since you will be forwarding via SIP URI anyway, I wouldn't think that CircleNet's simplistic web portal should be an issue. You'd be using VoIP.ms for call flow/treatments. If reliability is your motive I wouldn't be depending on iNum. Yes, forwarding via SIP URI to a VoIP.ms iNum number works fine. I do exactly that but only as a backup route. I'm fairly certain that iNum has had more and longer outages than any VoIP.ms POP that I'm aware of. If you're looking for reliability use a Virtual number or regular DID to forward to. |
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I use both Anveo and Voip.ms. I have my numbers on Anveo and I highly recommend Anveo for a DID provider. I have forwarded calls via sip uri to Voip.ms and it works great, you don't need inum or virtual number, read the bottom of Voip.ms's subaccount page. With an Obi202 though I would set it up so your incoming calls and 911 go through your Anveo account - less chance of trouble and is easy to set up. You may also want to consider Callcentric's basic plan for outgoing and 911 and use Anveo for incoming only. I don't think you can or should run 911 through Voip.ms to Anveo. Yes you can send calls to your cell with Anveo. Their call flow feature is very powerful. You can have it ring the house phone and the cell and two other destinations at once or just ring the cell if your house phone goes down. It all depends how you set up your call flow. There is a lot of other fancy features that come with Anveo's call flow. Edit: For sip uri dialing a Voip.ms subaccount you will find the needed info on the bottom of the create sub account page. Second edit: Stupid smartphones.  |
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said by lmartin12:I have forwarded calls via sip uri to Voip.ms and it works great, you don't need inum or virtual number, OP may already know this, but to get PBX-type features (voicemail, ring groups, CNAM, etc.), the minimum requirement is iNum. But do yourself a favor and don't use iNum (for reasons already stated) -- use a virtual number instead. |
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taoman
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said by lmartin12:Edit: For sip uri dialing a Voip.ms subaccount you will find the needed info on the bottom of the create sub account page. Except he would lose all call flow/filtering, etc, by forwarding to a sub-account. In which case, what's the point? The OP said he wanted to "use the best part of each provider." He certainly wouldn't be using the best part of VoIP.ms if he forwarded to a sub-account. said by VoIP.ms wiki :Important: no call flow or filtering can be applied to calls make to the external SIP URI. Calls will immediately ring the device registered to this sub-account. Edit: I see carlm already pointed this out.  |
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 kevinds
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You may also consider running a small Asterisk (or varients), to do all this yourself, rather than going back and forth between providers. Would give you nearly unlimited flexibility.
Embedded device to start, virtual machine on one of your always on computers, maybe a VPS somewhere.
CircleNet was also talking about a semi-managed PBX setup |
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said by carlm:OP may already know this, but to get PBX-type features (voicemail, ring groups, CNAM, etc.), the minimum requirement is iNum. True. However all that can be done on Anveo before forwarding the call. Except voicemail notification and retrieval won't work. I have my own PBX now but the reason I did it in the past was because I was to cheap to buy additional subaccounts on Anveo. My main extension was an Anveo account so VM wasn't a problem. |
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said by kevinds:You may also consider running a small Asterisk (or varients), to do all this yourself, rather than going back and forth between providers. Would give you nearly unlimited flexibility. Great idea. He could then use Anveo Direct for outgoing calls. However for the small usage he has It probably isn't worth it. An Obi202 should do everything he needs and once setup it is so automatic that the user of the phone won't even be able to tell that incoming and outgoing calls use a different provider. |
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psyc0ld
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psyc0ld
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2016-Jan-4 10:22 am
Thanks everyone for your replies! First of all, this set up will work well with a obi device, but not necessarily with an ordinary ata. This will skip all the forwarding and not use iNum which seem unreliable. For the 911 thing, I may be better to take the service with voip.ms even if I register anveo and voip.ms on my obi. I'll probably using sip1 for voip.ms for my outgoing calls and sip2 with anveo for incoming calls. But if I register 911 with anveo I'll have to **2 before 911. It's may not be a good solution in a crisis moment. Or, can I set up the obi if the 911 is dialled to simply use anveo and not voip.ms even if this is my default account? If I still forward my call from anveo to voip.ms I won't use the sub account thing because I have multiple sub accounts at the same time and I want to have a ring group (ata, cell phone with softphone, etc). For Circlenet, I haven't find a way to use sip uri with my account #. It's may be possible with a did, but I don't have one right now so.. And, I don't know if it's reliable but sipbroker.com said circlenet is blocking or 5 or more attempts fail. I'll probably set up circlenet as my third provider for outgoing calls only with my obi. I don't really know how to set up things within their portal. I think it's best if you have a PBX/Asterisk box/server/idontknowwhatelse. I may one day learn Asterisk/PBX but I'm new to voip under the hood. I'm beginning to understand all the features at voip.ms and have a nice set up corresponding with my needs. I think I can install Asterisk on my nas, so when I'll have more time I may start learning this. Or buy a Pi (love these things!) for a more secure way to learn and not screw up my NAS |
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carlm
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said by kevinds:You may also consider running a small Asterisk (or varients), to do all this yourself, rather than going back and forth between providers. Would give you nearly unlimited flexibility. said by lmartin12:Great idea. He could then use Anveo Direct for outgoing calls. However for the small usage he has It probably isn't worth it. An Obi202 should do everything he needs and once setup it is so automatic that the user of the phone won't even be able to tell that incoming and outgoing calls use a different provider. I agree with lmartin12. There's no question a PBX provides the most flexibility but it also requires the largest investment of time. If that would be a pleasant pastime for you then go for it. If that would be a chore for you then avoid it. I'm an experienced programmer. I like programming. I don't much like working on Asterisk's extensions.conf, but I do like the results. |
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kevinds
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In the Obi setup, you can set which SIP account you want the emergency calls to go out. Someone dials 911, you can set it so it always goes out Account3, very easily.. Checkbox in the account setup |
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psyc0ld
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psyc0ld
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2016-Jan-4 2:27 pm
said by kevinds:In the Obi setup, you can set which SIP account you want the emergency calls to go out.
Someone dials 911, you can set it so it always goes out Account3, very easily.. Checkbox in the account setup Nice! Really happy to had one on newegg for 60$. I currently have a spa112. Haven't had any problem so far with registration or audio. But I like the possible customization of the obi. Hope I'll get it tomorrow! |
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said by psyc0ld:But if I register 911 with anveo I'll have to **2 before 911. It's may not be a good solution in a crisis moment. Or, can I set up the obi if the 911 is dialled to simply use anveo and not voip.ms even if this is my default account? You would not need to use **2 for 911. With an Obi202 you could for example without dialing any special codes have incoming calls come in on one provider, have regular calls go out on another, have 911 go out a third provider, and have international calls go out the fourth one. said by psyc0ld:I want to have a ring group (ata, cell phone with softphone, etc). That can be done with Anveo's "transfer" call flow control. You could for example have it setup so the call would ring straight to your Obi202 with your Anveo account, ring your soft phone via sip uri through Voip.ms sub account, and ring your cell straight from Anveo. I think you'll have less trouble like that than if you run everything through Voip.ms. |
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psyc0ld
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psyc0ld
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2016-Jan-4 10:18 pm
said by lmartin12:That can be done with Anveo's "transfer" call flow control. You could for example have it setup so the call would ring straight to your Obi202 with your Anveo account, ring your soft phone via sip uri through Voip.ms sub account, and ring your cell straight from Anveo. I think you'll have less trouble like that than if you run everything through Voip.ms. Thanks for the hint. I'd just put 10$ in and I'll probably take a number to test all this. |
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said by psyc0ld:I may one day learn Asterisk/PBX but I'm new to voip under the hood If you do decide to tinker with your own PBX, PBX in a Flash is a good place to start. The new incredible PIAF 13 is amazing. I am running two servers. One here on an old laptop and one on Cloud at Cost for backup. I am sharing my servers with my family so I have 7 households and three small businesses on my servers. Check out Anveo Direct for outgoing calls to if you get your own PBX. |
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said by psyc0ld:I'd just put 10$ in and I'll probably take a number to test all this. It is always good to test before porting. Do keep in mind though if you get a number on Anveo they have a three month minimum. But if you get their per minute number it doesn't add up to much. |
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kevinds
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This is part of the Service Provider Setup areas OBi202 |
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psyc0ld
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psyc0ld
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2016-Jan-9 11:31 am
Hi,
I've received my obi thursday and I have some trouble configuring it. I'm not using obitalk portail.
My current set up is:
sp1 = voip.ms
sp2 = anveo
All by themselves, there working great. But I have some trouble with testing echo test with anveo. If I dial **2*91 it's like the call go through sp1 if I look at calls history. And it's sound busy.
Since I configure my obi through the web browser and not obitalk, I don't have the check mark for 911 to specify which spx I want the call goes to.
EDIT: Nevermind. I found everything that I was looking. Pretty happy.
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