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jaykaykay 4 Ever Young MVM join:2000-04-13 USA kudos:24 ·Cox HSI	jaykaykay MVM 2016-Mar-16 9:42 pm It took only 3 seconds! »www.newser.com/story/222 ··· nds.html Be careful, very careful, when you use these things. Might not even be a bad idea to shake them or move it around a bit before using it.
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Snowy Premium Member join:2003-04-05 Kailua, HI kudos:6	Snowy Premium Member 2016-Mar-16 9:52 pm It installed so quickly I had to view the video twice to see the skimmer get attached. Completely missed it first time around.
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jaykaykay 4 Ever Young MVM join:2000-04-13 USA kudos:24	jaykaykay MVM 2016-Mar-16 10:04 pm Truly remarkable. I had to do the same thing. If it can be installed like that, we're all in for trouble.
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Black Box join:2002-12-21	Black Box to jaykaykay Member 2016-Mar-16 11:44 pm to jaykaykay said by jaykaykay: http :// mangled address /watch-thieves-install-fake-card-scanner-in-seconds.html Be careful, very careful, when you use these things. Might not even be a bad idea to shake them or move it around a bit before using it. Be careful, very careful visiting that website! I have no less than 20 untrusted domains blocked in NoScript on that page! You should find a better source for you postings. Not cool, bro! -- Keep It Safe, Stupid! Yes, I CanChat. Can You?
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Oregonian Premium Member join:2000-12-21 West Linn, OR ·Xfinity	Oregonian Premium Member 2016-Mar-17 12:10 am »youtu.be/y83ZgzuFBSE
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:8	Mele20 Premium Member 2016-Mar-17 1:50 am That's interesting that no one noticed even when the second guy reached out and adjusted it as it was loose. The article is poor as it tells readers to use the ATM in a bank. What does that non-sequitur have to do with that terminal that was for PAYING for items bought in the store? The article should have told readers to NOT use POS terminals in stores that cannot take chip cards. Protest to the clerk, walk out and take your business to a store that has modern terminals. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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nwrickert Mod join:2004-09-04 Geneva, IL kudos:7 ·AT&T U-Verse	nwrickert Mod 2016-Mar-17 9:22 am said by Mele20: The article is poor as it tells readers to use the ATM in a bank. What does that non-sequitur have to do with that terminal that was for PAYING for items bought in the store? The article should have told readers to NOT use POS terminals in stores that cannot take chip cards. The problem that I am seeing, is that many stores have POS terminals that can take chip cards, but have not updated their software so as to use that chip card capability. -- AT&T Uverse; 2Wire 3800-HGV router; openSuSE 42.1; Plasma 5; firefox 44.0.2
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:8	Mele20 Premium Member 2016-Mar-17 9:32 am Yes, I see that here in Hawaii also. I don't understand it. Even with Target, it was almost a YEAR after our store got new terminals that could take chip cards before the software was operable. Tractor Supply is another company that got the new terminals months ago but no software yet. Ross is another one that has had the terminals for about six months but no software. Why? Most of the terminals are Verifone so are they the culprit? -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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timcuth Braves Fan Premium Member join:2000-09-18 Pelham, AL ·Charter Cisco DPC3008 Apple AirPort Extreme (2013) Netgear R6300 v2 1 edit	timcuth to jaykaykay Premium Member 2016-Mar-17 10:03 am to jaykaykay I would think stores would want to go to the chip card acceptance. My understanding is that if they don't, they are liable for any fraudulent cards they accept (i.e., they would not receive payment for whatever they sold). But if they use a chip reader, the card issuer accepts some or all of the responsibility. Tim -- "Life is like this long line, except at the end there ain't no merry-go-round." - Arthur on The King of Queens ~ Project Hope ~
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beck MVM join:2002-01-29 On The Road kudos:1	beck to jaykaykay MVM 2016-Mar-17 10:12 am to jaykaykay So, how hard is that thing to take off? Can you combat this by trying to rip the pos apart? -- Are YOU just a turkey voting for xmas?
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MPScan Premium Member join:2001-08-24 Boston, MA kudos:1	MPScan to jaykaykay Premium Member 2016-Mar-17 10:12 am to jaykaykay Sadly, the current implementation of chip cards only get us part of the way there. Chip cards should be two-factor like they are overseas. Our implementation requires the card and a signature. That's no more secure than in decades past. Once we all finally get to chip and PIN, now we're talking. .. but I believe there is something crazy like a ten year buffer period to transition.
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scross join:2002-09-13 USA	scross to jaykaykay Member 2016-Mar-23 5:20 am to jaykaykay I can think of a few simple potential defenses against what's shown in the video. I'm not sure why the industry isn't being more proactive on this stuff. As for delays in implementing chip-enabled terminals, there are several links in the following thread which cover this in some detail. I don't really buy all of the excuses being given, though; some of them just sound like stalling tactics to me. »Chip Card and Readers at Rite Aids
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voxframe join:2010-08-02	voxframe Member 2016-Mar-23 7:50 am said by scross: I don't really buy all of the excuses being given, though; some of them just sound like stalling tactics to me. Bigtime! We converted to chip and pin in Canada and it was quick, easy, flawless, and works 10 times better. Been that way for over 5 years now I think. As an added laugh, I took a trip to the US last week... ALL of my cards were demagnetized (Probably for months and I didn't know it because chips worked perfectly). So that was interesting. But it's like the stone-ages going down there, so much possibility of skimming that it's scary. Anyone complaining that it's a bad move, or so complicated that it will melt the system, is nothing more than one of those people barking Y2K. Chip came in, and poof, nothing crazy happened. They just worked.
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MacGyver join:2001-10-14 Russell, ON kudos:2 ·Start.ca ·TekSavvy DSL ·voip.ms Technicolor DCM476 Linksys E4200 Sipura SPA-2102	MacGyver to Mele20 2016-Mar-23 8:36 am to Mele20 said by Mele20: Why? Most of the terminals are Verifone so are they the culprit? The answer is complicated. »consumerist.com/2016/03/ ··· r-fraud/ »www.nytimes.com/2016/03/ ··· rss&_r=0
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:8	Mele20 to voxframe Premium Member 2016-Mar-23 8:48 am to voxframe said by voxframe: We converted to chip and pin in Canada and it was quick, easy, flawless, and works 10 times better But of course and the facts you state have zero to do with perceived Canadian superiority over hapless Americans. The reason most of the world (Canada included) had little problem in the beginning or later with the switch over has been stated many times here. Are you just pretending to not understand? Seems that way. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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Mele20	Mele20 to MacGyver Premium Member 2016-Mar-23 8:49 am to MacGyver Yeah, there was a link to the Consumerist article in another thread here. It was quite interesting.
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garys_2k Premium Member join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI ·Callcentric	garys_2k to MPScan Premium Member 2016-Mar-23 10:01 am to MPScan said by MPScan: Sadly, the current implementation of chip cards only get us part of the way there. Chip cards should be two-factor like they are overseas. Our implementation requires the card and a signature. That's no more secure than in decades past. I wouldn't go that far. Chip and signature is better because there's no way for a fake card to properly respond to the encrypted query required for the transaction to go through. Even if your card's chip transaction is skimmed, like that Mexican scanner in that other thread does, that data is useless for other transactions requiring the chip.
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planet join:2001-11-05 Oz kudos:1	planet Member 2016-Mar-29 12:52 pm Just got a new card from Target and they are using chip & pin. Wonder why others haven't gone there too.
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AsherN Premium Member join:2010-08-23 Thornhill, ON	AsherN to Mele20 Premium Member 2016-Mar-29 2:40 pm to Mele20 said by Mele20: said by voxframe: We converted to chip and pin in Canada and it was quick, easy, flawless, and works 10 times better But of course and the facts you state have zero to do with perceived Canadian superiority over hapless Americans. The reason most of the world (Canada included) had little problem in the beginning or later with the switch over has been stated many times here. Are you just pretending to not understand? Seems that way. We're not pretending to not understand. We truly don't understand why it seems that the move to chip-and-pin in the US appears to be so complicated and a virtually impossible task when it has been accomplished in the rest of the world so easily.
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DrStrange Technically feasible Premium Member join:2001-07-23 West Hartford, CT kudos:1	DrStrange Premium Member 2016-Mar-31 7:25 am Some of us understand only too well, having been around long enough to remember the aborted switch to the metric system in the 1970s. The rest of the world had no trouble with that, either.
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:8	Mele20 Premium Member 2016-Mar-31 9:40 am Most of the rest of the world has always used the metric system so how could they have had or not had trouble switching since they didn't switch? This nation is now a bunch of sissies that won't stand up for themselves. I grew up when we were the greatest nation on the face of this earth and we were proud to NOT adopt the metric system. Now we are afraid of our shadows and lost our will to be the world's dominant power so we have to adopt the stupid metric system. Damn shame. At least it was killed in the 70's because we still believed in ourselves and were powerful enough to forge OUR OWN path but now we are a pitiful shell of what we were until 9/11. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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AsherN Premium Member join:2010-08-23 Thornhill, ON	AsherN Premium Member 2016-Mar-31 11:18 am Just, wow. Canada switched to metric. The system makes a lot more sense, leads to a lot fewer mistakes. Recipe calls for 8 oz of flour. By weight or by volume? 1 quart of milk. US or Imperial? Not switching also means a lot of industries need to keep 2 sets of tools. There does reach a point where being pig headed just for it's own sake makes no sense.
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Snowy Premium Member join:2003-04-05 Kailua, HI kudos:6 ·Hawaiian Telcom ·Clearwire Wireless ·Time Warner Cable 1 edit	Snowy to Mele20 Premium Member 2016-Mar-31 5:10 pm to Mele20 said by Mele20: This nation is now a bunch of sissies that won't stand up for themselves. Yeah, hiding behind the safety of anonymous posting via pseudo name on public forum is how the few remaining real patriots stand up for themselves. /sarcasm
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Phoenix22 Death From Above Premium Member join:2001-12-11 SOG C&C Nrth	Phoenix22 to jaykaykay Premium Member 2016-Apr-1 1:59 pm to jaykaykay ya, not cool, bro...........lol
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kevinds Premium Member join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:5	kevinds to AsherN Premium Member 2016-Apr-6 1:20 am to AsherN My dad still gets funny looks in the US when he has to punch in his PIN after inserting his chip card... Yes, I also don't understand what the issue is... Was done in the past 5 years for credit cards.. Debit cards always had a PIN, credit cards, just a got told, you will need a PIN to do most transactions from now on.. Choose your PIN when activating your card or your PIN will come in the mail in a couple days (depends on the issuer) Bit of confusion for a couple months by some customers (but staggered for when they got the new cards, not everybody at once), and the switch was done. I don't understand what the issue is.. Seems like many are just making excuses, it isn't that hard to accomplish.
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CylonRed MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County ·Time Warner Cable	CylonRed MVM 2016-Apr-6 10:03 am said by kevinds: I don't understand what the issue is.. Seems like many are just making excuses, it isn't that hard to accomplish. It is very simple - business does not want to pay for the new terminals. This is one of the problems with the 'open' market. More important to make money and to hell with consumers. The longer they can put it off the more potential profits for the shareholders. This is the same basic reason why a lot of regulations exist - most should no be needed but they are so cost adverse that they have to be forced to do the right thing many times -- Brian "It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain
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kevinds Premium Member join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:5	kevinds Premium Member 2016-Apr-6 12:20 pm And when they have the terminals and still don't use them? Why to the terminals with a chip reader need a software update? More likely just a configuration change, somebody turned it off...
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jap Premium Member join:2003-08-10 038xx	jap to kevinds Premium Member 2016-Apr-6 7:00 pm to kevinds said by kevinds: Yes, I also don't understand what the issue is... Cultural exceptionalism in action: we have nothing to learn from your experiences. We'll do it our way. Seriously. That's all it is: an unfortunate form of collective stupid.
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OZO Premium Member join:2003-01-17 kudos:2	OZO Premium Member 2016-Apr-6 10:00 pm Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others -- Bismarck, Otto von -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...
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scross join:2002-09-13 USA	scross Member 2016-Apr-7 8:21 am The truly wise man profits from the mistakes of others. And a "sharp" one will find ways to help nudge those mistakes into fruition.
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