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Re: Broadband 2 light blinking redYou need a Tech out there -- line one will stay up and running for a little bit, but it's going to go down sooner rather than later, it's not designed to function on one pair with a bonded pair profile. You're close enough to the VRAD where you can still get temporary service like that but it's going to go down. I won't hazard a guess on where on the line the issue is, but your line two is definitely down and your line one is freaking out because of it. |
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THX
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2016-Apr-2 8:59 pm
said by hexster:...but your line two is definitely down and your line one is freaking out because of it. Which line info indicates that it is freaking out? What are the #'s that are bad? And how bad is bad? |
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said by hexster:...but it's going to go down sooner rather than later, it's not designed to function on one pair with a bonded pair profile. How long do I have if you were to venture a guess? said by hexster:...You're close enough to the VRAD where you can still get temporary service like that but it's going to go down. How can you tell that I'm close to the VRAD? |
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How long do you have?
I can't say -- it's really on when the first pair decides to go down.
How can I tell that you're close to the VRAD?
Not that you're close, just that you're close enough. There are instances where you can be close enough to the VRAD for the service to operate on one pair, albeit not very well, but enough for it to operate. If you were too far out as soon as line 2 dropped you would have been completely out of service.
Judging by the numbers you're on 45 Mbps service with a 55 Meg profile on a F card, so my guess would be you are no further than 3,000 ft from the VRAD. |
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Saint Louis, MO
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2016-Apr-2 9:07 pm
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said by THX:How can you tell that I'm close to the VRAD? By reviewing max sync rates and noise margins - those vary based on Loop Length and Pair Conditions If your VRAD has K or N cards, they could really simply swap your port to the newer card and provision you over 17 MHz Single Pair 55 Mbps profile, but you are presently on an F card, with Pair Bonded 8 MHz service |
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said by hexster:...so my guess would be you are no further than 3,000 ft from the VRAD. Excellent guess! I'm about 1,500 ft from the VRAD. |
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said by ILpt4U:said by THX:How can you tell that I'm close to the VRAD? By reviewing max sync rates and noise margins - those vary based on Loop Length and Pair Conditions If your VRAD has K or N cards, they could really simply swap your port to the newer card and provision you over 17 MHz Single Pair 55 Mbps profile, but you are presently on an F card, with Pair Bonded 8 MHz service I may see if I can ask him to put me on the newer K card. I'd like to get pre-qual'd for 75 Mbps anyway and I believe that can't happen until I'm on that K card, which I believe does exist in my VRAD. |
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2016-Apr-2 9:12 pm
If you can get swapped over to a K or N card by the tech, he/she should be able to get you upgraded to 75 Mbps relatively easily while onsite (depending on what the trouble is with the 2nd pair, of course) |
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Anon
2016-Apr-2 9:36 pm
My money is likely on a pulled jumper at the crossbox....
Had a repair for red flashing broadband 1 on a 589.
The customers promotion had expired and customer downgraded internet from Power 45 to Max Plus 18 ($20 price difference). Either the system or an individual removed the bonded pair status of account (did not need 55M when a 32M profile would work), turned off port, causing RED light. After all that's a free port that could be used to add either another single pair subscriber or upgrade someone to bonded. The moral.... If not paying for it, do not expect to keep it. |
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Just a FYI 75mb pair bonded on 17mhz has a max loop of 1250ft. Not saying that you couldn't get it, just that you might be outside the recommended limits. If your interested in upgrading I would do it while the tech is there. He can ensure your lines can handle it, gets referral points for doing it, and has a better shot at getting it approved with tier 2 whereas the normal customer channels may give you a hard time over the phone with it. |
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"my thoughts" gets the points!
It was a bad jumper, but not pulled. |
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said by KungFuPanda:Just a FYI 75mb pair bonded on 17mhz has a max loop of 1250ft. Not saying that you couldn't get it, just that you might be outside the recommended limits. If your interested in upgrading I would do it while the tech is there. He can ensure your lines can handle it, gets referral points for doing it, and has a better shot at getting it approved with tier 2 whereas the normal customer channels may give you a hard time over the phone with it. KungFuPanda: You are correct. I am right at 1,450 ft from the VRAD. Because I'm 200 feet over the threshold of 1,250 ft they wouldn't upgrade me to 75 Mbps. OH SO CLOSE! |
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2016-Apr-3 4:40 pm
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I've had customers jump down my throat after explaining pulled crossjumpers. Since then I've been telling customers bad crossjumpers instead to avoid an unnecessary lecture session I really don't need. Still an outside chance it was pulled and the tech just didnt want another upset customer to deal with. |
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I usually just say there was a small disruption at the community box that feeds the neighborhood. Most of the time the customer is on an F card so while I'm out there at the SAI I'll go ahead and move them over to a K or an N card so I'll tie that in with "there was a small disruption at the community box, so I went ahead and took care of that and upgraded the service coming to your home so you have a more reliable signal." |
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Anon
2016-Apr-4 7:57 am
Yes, speak in "generalize" so the customer does not call and want a credit for an employee taking them out of service.
Blame it on high winds, squirrels, mice in pedistals, wasps in aerial boxes, etc....
From my perspective if customer states flashes green/red go to the NID run a loop length, if expected length is 2000 and loop llength shows 308, put in a ticket and move on. We are told not to spend time on pair changes for repairs as only given about 50-55 minutes for entire job.
If OTOH customer states all RED flashing head to crossbox first, check sync (sometimes customers are "upgraded" at end of promotion, told will take effect in a few hours and they are assigned a different port and generally need the 3800/3801 RG upgraded to something that supports 17a.... Doing an install on repair ticket (just gotta love it). Or jumper either pulled or port issue. Can also run loop length from f3 side of crossbox to check for line issue. |
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said by KungFuPanda:Just a FYI 75mb pair bonded on 17mhz has a max loop of 1250ft. Not saying that you couldn't get it, just that you might be outside the recommended limits. If your interested in upgrading I would do it while the tech is there. He can ensure your lines can handle it, gets referral points for doing it, and has a better shot at getting it approved with tier 2 whereas the normal customer channels may give you a hard time over the phone with it. I'm at about 2,500ft running 75Meg just fine. Combined 1&2 120Mbit/s and up about 35Mbit/s on 17a with a clean pair. They really need to think about configuring their database to be intelligent based on the customers line quality after service is stable. |
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Anon
2016-Apr-4 7:24 pm
Yes, but THX is on a "F" card with 8d protocol.....
First a K or N card with two free ports would need to be available, 17a needs to be enabled, then a double port swap.... And a chat session to tier 2.
Something that is not normally going to happen on a 55 minute repair ticket for one line OOS, when replacing or restoring the jumper resolves the trouble ticket.
I am not disagreeing with you about policy, only that such a change should be handled by SALES when an install ticket with longer time frame is best for tech efficiency. CYA mixed with customer satisfaction under company matrixes. |
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Eh.... you're mileage may vary depending on where you're at. I can't speak for everyone but on our side of the country efficiency is looked at closely, but it's more on a quality side of the house. I say that because I ended up doing something similar yesterday on a repair, only it was single pair bump up to HSIA 45. Did it take longer than the allotted time for the repair? Absolutely (about 30 minutes longer), but done correctly your numbers should even out in the end. |
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said by Pseudo Fiber:They really need to think about configuring their database to be intelligent based on the customers line quality after service is stable. This is the kind of crap that really pisses me off. |
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said by my thoughts :Yes, but THX is on a "F" card with 8d protocol.....
First a K or N card with two free ports would need to be available, 17a needs to be enabled, then a double port swap.... And a chat session to tier 2. The tech was actually actively working all of these angles. It was the Tier 2 chat guy, who specifically shot him down based off of a 200 ft discrepancy. |
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Anon
2016-Apr-4 8:05 pm
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Yes, quality is number 1 (no repeats within 30 days on install or repairs) but as a late tech plus Sundays 75%-80% of my jobs are repairs.
The first of the year they reduced repair times by 15 minutes per job. If complete 45 repairs in a month that is 675 minutes or 11.25 hours less time per month I have to be at the same efficiency level as in 2015. And yes when your numbers drop, and your manager bonus is determined by crew numbers, I hear about it.
Again do the best you can within the allotted time. Repeats are going to happen (DVR, RG, high winds, wrong inputs, etc) does not matter how long you take. To have it average out, you need good numbers by not taking too long on "simple" things such as jumper.
Remember after the crossbox is resolved, need to return to customer, inspect/correct NID (mod kit), cat5 home run, install and/or test branded jack, verify all services including DVR functions on all TVs, phones working, internet OK. Cover the myatt app, run final tests, close the job and dispatch again within 60 minutes of initial arrival. On Sundays the expectation (load build) is 5 repair jobs per tech in 8 hours and that includes travel. |
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Anon
2016-Apr-4 10:23 pm
A current example of my earlier reply about no sync from Uverse forum....
upgraded service now nothing working
grated from 300 to 450 this afternoon and bumped up the Internet service and now nothing in my house is working. Anyone have any tips to try aside from unplugging and hitting the reset button. desperate. tip off in 20 minutes and have no tv or internet. furious with AT&T |
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said by THX:said by Pseudo Fiber:They really need to think about configuring their database to be intelligent based on the customers line quality after service is stable. This is the kind of crap that really pisses me off. What pisses you off? |
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Mr FelINTJ - The Architect
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Mr Fel
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2016-Apr-4 11:37 pm
Not speaking for THX but I've had my own personal difficulties with address database while I was moving (address was completely gone). But even when it does function the guidelines are a bit too narrow off of length alone, line quality is just as big a factor if not more so. |
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