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Has Microsoft started to break Win 7 to increase Win 10 adoptions ? Updategate: Microsoft suggests updating to Windows 10 to patch Windows 7 » www.theinquirer.net/inqu ··· indows-7
...Microsoft has, by offering a workaround, suggested heavily that it won't be fixing the problem, though we have asked the question, so expect a response in about a fortnight. But the real kicker is this piece of advice: "Note The Secure Boot feature is supported in Windows 10. To learn more about the security advantages of this feature and about the upgrade path from Windows 7 to Windows 10, go to the following Windows website"...
Is this a new tactic in Microsoft's quest to move everyone to Windows 10? Has Microsoft decided to start the intentional breaking of Windows 7 systems in order to make those affected people move to Windows 10? |
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Having had an increasing number of small but annoying issues with Win7 in the last three months, I've been wondering the same thing. |
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Initially I thought it was going to be a smooth ride to 2020 and my end of using Windows, but Microsoft keeps dumping a tanker of shit in the road and the quick way around it is the Windows 10 update-gate. Luckily, Linux shows a better path around the shit storm. Windows7 and buggyness for me: Windows 7 update taking 15 to 30 minutes to find updates. Used to be within 10 seconds to 1 minute, before Win10 got RTM. . Had a really weird thing (not a virus) a few months ago on both Win7 machines (December 2015), where looking in MSconfig, Windows shut down a few things in services, with the dozen near the bottom. Didn't show that in regular services page from control-panel/admin-tools. . I'm on a temp wireless ISP right now (with some slight routing quirks/delays) and needs about 3 clicks to launch Windows update as it says can't something. . And of course, I have a list of Windows updates to not install and I am ignoring any optional updates too. --
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said by humanfilth:Initially I thought it was going to be a smooth ride to 2020
As did I, but Microsoft is slowly convincing me that I need to move off Windows sooner than later. And, as if to wave a red flag in front of Microsoft, I recently upgraded my hardware to a new CPU/motherboard using a Skylake CPU. |
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Something very major has happened to Microsoft, starting at their highest levels. Their support promises to past customers now mean nothing. Their updating commitments to past customers now mean nothing. Their concern for update clarity and full-disclosure now means nothing. Their update 'quality reputation' now means nothing. Their concern for the perceptions of past customers in general has now evaporated. Microsoft is now a company arrogantly pursuing whatever corporate strategy games its leaders wish with no concern whatever for the company's long-term reputation with customers. Whatever Microsoft's past faults, what we're seeing now is without precedent in the company's history. From my perspective, whatever it's intended goal, Microsoft's strategy has achieved full-blown status as a 'going-out-of-business' plan, if only because that is exactly what is achieved when one sets out to alienate their customer base. Windows 7 will be my last Microsoft product of any kind, period. After 35 years, Microsoft has single-handedly done what none of its competitors were ever able to do: get me to abandon Microsoft.  --
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Also reported on Forbes: » www.forbes.com/sites/gor ··· -problem or Yahoo-partner link to to get around the adblock wall: » www.forbes.com/sites/gor ··· 48a0395eI was a victim of this problem (fortunately I quickly found out that it was a Win 7 update problem when Secure Boot was enabled, and so disabled that). The kicker was that Microsoft knew ahead of time that this would happen, yet threw the switch without any sort of warning. How many people thought their machine was broken and spent money bringing it to a shop? How many people thought their machine had been compromised and lost data with an emergency reformat? Microsoft is pulling out all the stops in attempting to get every last Windows user onto Win10, by hook or by crook. Why? Is having their user base all on a singular platform alone worth the absolute PR drubbing they're getting for these stunts? Or is there another goal in mind? --
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said by Blackbird:After 35 years, Microsoft has single-handedly done what none of its competitors were ever able to do: get me to abandon Microsoft.
I was in attendance (with others from the company I worked for) at the 1983 press conference at The Plaza in NYC when Windows was first announced. Windows and I go way back... But I have to agree with you. Microsoft's current business practices (or, more accurately, malpractices) have made me start moving away from Windows. One notebook is already using Linux (Debian, btw) as a test bed. Once I decide that has gone well, another notebook will be right behind it. My main desktop will take a little longer due to a couple of Windows-only apps that I'm having difficulty replacing in the Linux world, but I'll get there.  Microsoft has given me a mission with a purpose - get off Windows. |
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I don't have your seniority, but I have used Windows NT since a couple of months before it was released (beta, running on AXP, if that part of my brain is free from uncorrectable memory errors).
Windows used to be my default choice at home, on the grounds that a consistent household infrastructure was easier to deal with, and Windows got there first. This despite having been a Linux programmer for the past decade or so. Them days is done with. |
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said by dave: if that part of my brain is free from uncorrectable memory errors
You may want to look into the ECC brain upgrade....  |
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said by Blackbird:Something very major has happened to Microsoft, starting at their highest levels.
Their support promises to past customers now mean nothing.
Their updating commitments to past customers now mean nothing.
Their concern for update clarity and full-disclosure now means nothing.
Their update 'quality reputation' now means nothing.
Their concern for the perceptions of past customers in general has now evaporated.
IOW, to today's Microsoft, it all now means nothing.
Microsoft is now a company arrogantly pursuing whatever corporate strategy games its leaders wish, with no concern whatever for the company's long-term reputation with customers.
Whatever Microsoft's past faults, what we're seeing now is without precedent in the company's history.
From my perspective, whatever it's intended goal, Microsoft's strategy has achieved full-blown status as a 'going-out-of-business' plan, if only because that is exactly what is achieved when one sets out to alienate their customer base.
Windows 7 will be my last Microsoft product [or SERVICE] of any kind, period....
That deserved repeating. And you are FAR from alone in such analysis and feeling. I have added a belated 2016 New Year's resolution, to in earnest test and get at least one of my computers running Linux as its primary/only OS by year's end. I'm talking booting from the internal hard drive - No more 'Live Flash Sticks' ! Microsoft has BLOWN it, BIG TIME ! What I said in another thread about them having a corporate 'deathwish' is one possible 'explanation' for their last couple of years of escalating bullshit. Another might be sheer arrogance in not facing the possibility/likelihood that all of that BS actually COULD bring the company down. And yet another could be that a competitor has infiltrated MS, (consider Google, Apple, Samsung as candidates), is steering MS off the cliff, and has not told anyone. Sound far-fetched ? Not really, if money is a motive. |
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Their mobile strategy has completely failed. Since cloud based computing is becoming more popular every day and most people are now primarily using post-pc devices with Linux and iOS on ARM, maybe they will go the way of the dodo. |
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The most recent Microsoft quarterly report that I saw indicated that Microsoft's consumer Windows revenue was around 10% of Microsoft's total revenue, with Microsoft's cloud services making up a substantial portion of the overall revenue.
In other words, for the future, Microsoft will be focusing on Azure and [continue on] screwing its non-enterprise Windows consumers. |
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All 3 PCs here at the house are home-built using GigaByte MBs. From reading the Forbes article, it seems that this update only causes this problem on ASUS MBs. I had no problems with the April updates. The update history on both WIN7 PCs does not show the KB3133977 update. Should I decline this update if offered next week?
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Decline it, and EVERY OTHER UPDATE from Microsoft going forward.
MS has lost our trust, and the possible negative consequences of TAKING any particular update have become MORE worrisome and likely than NOT taking it.
Let the experts report back on each update, and take any update maybe 3 weeks late if at all, and if no reports of problems surface by then for each patch.
And UNTICK the box in WU SETTINGS which says to offer/group 'RECOMMENDED' updates as/with 'IMPORTANT', as well as making a general WU selection of anything OTHER than AUTOMATIC. |
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This Register article on trust addresses the same underlying topic that we're talking about here - you have to trust your vendor not to screw you over in the future. |
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Thanks, that was my intention. I do not do automatic updates, except for Chrome. I always wait until Susan Bradley publishes her "Patch Watch" column on the Windows Secrets newsletter after update Tuesday before manually updating Windows.
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I read something about this affecting certain Asus motherboards, where KB3133977 was the cause of the UEFI Secure Boot issues: » www.theregister.co.uk/20 ··· ndows_7/I have an Asus MB in my recently built system, but haven't had that issue as I have never installed that patch, and do not intend to do so. --
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Win7 updates are breaking win7. To the point that only reinstall can untangle the mess, if the user was not checked that the updates they installed actually did install. However, if you have an older HP machine, you can't restore unless you have an HP disk and the same size. If you have upgraded to a smaller SSD, you are toast.
But, yeah. You can upgrade to win10 and all the old "bad" win7 stuff is gone. Unless you have a system that win10 crashes on about every 5 minutes. And what happens if you ever need to restore win10? sigh.
This all is not worth the time to do. So, 2 new Linux Mint users and MS drove them to it.
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Windows7 and buggyness for me: Windows 7 update taking 15 to 30 minutes to find updates I had to disable the Windows Update service on Win7 on one of our machines. It was taking up 50% CPU of our older Core 2 Duo 3.0ghz machine for long periods of time while checking. I'll still update from time to time manually, but will be relying more on my AV program to keep us secure. Not ideal, but Windows Update has become a shitshow. |
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Whenever a friend asks me to fix their Win7 system, First I run malware bytes in safe mode to get rid of most the viri, worms, Trojans, etc, and I shut off all Win7 updates. (At this point M$ is worse than the malware creators.)
Then I proceed to un-install as much application crap as possible..
Finally, I instruct them not to use any M$ internet facing applications (M$ office, IE, outlook). Instead I point them to 3rd party alternates like Firefox, Chrome, Apache office(open office), etc. |
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said by Blackbird:Something very major has happened to Microsoft, starting at their highest levels. Their support promises to past customers now mean nothing. Their updating commitments to past customers now mean nothing. Their concern for update clarity and full-disclosure now means nothing. Their update 'quality reputation' now means nothing. Their concern for the perceptions of past customers in general has now evaporated. Microsoft is now a company arrogantly pursuing whatever corporate strategy games its leaders wish with no concern whatever for the company's long-term reputation with customers.
Well said ! My main Win7 machine is still running well because I turned off Win Update last November. I have a copy of Mint 17.3 waiting to be loaded on a spare drive. MS has lost me also. |
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Checking for updates - Win 7 - going slow, a svchost.exe has one CPU maxed out. In other words, same ole, same ole. |
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said by Frodo:Checking for updates - Win 7 - going slow
The shame of Windows Update » www.computerworld.com/ar ··· ate.html
Windows Update has been around a long time. Its mission on Windows 7 hasn't changed much from Vista and XP. Yet, despite this, it has a lot of problems, as we shall see. ...
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said by Blackbird:Something very major has happened to Microsoft, starting at their highest levels This I agree with. I was a die-hard Microsoft supporter between 1994 - 2003, their products were awesome. Windows NT 4 Server would run for ages and ages before it had to be rebooted and patches seemed to be heavily validated. A server I setup back in the day ran for 1919 days before it had to be powered off due to an extended power outage. These days? Microsoft is regularly releasing Windows patches that break business critical apps like Microsoft Office / Outlook. Microsoft is regularly releasing Microsoft Office patches that break business critical apps like Microsoft Office / Outlook, claiming that few people are affected by ClickToRun issues when that's not the truth. I've had to uninstall and reinstall Microsoft Office more times than I'd like for plenty of people who've suffered from this. Lots of posts on Microsoft forums. Microsoft is now an Indian company. Numbers that used to lead to Toronto (closest metropolitan near me) now lead to India. Calling the US numbers also leads to India. Indian Microsoft licensing and paid support reps can be rude and hang up on you if they're not in the mood. Plenty of times there's no professionalism and you can't understand them. Microsoft is forcing Windows 10 on people that don't want it. Gone are the days when people waited in line at stores for a new Microsoft Windows, now people are angry that they were forced to use what they hate. Microsoft regularly breaks group policies, I lost count of how many times firing up GPMC produced error messages out of the box or how many PCs on a network suffer from anomalous problems because Microsoft changed group policy settings without maintaining the legacy options (which would have been easy to do). Microsoft's glory days are over and they're arrogantly blaming this on everything else. What's most obvious - Microsoft's no longer connected to their users, their partners, or their quality assurance team. |
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said by urbanriot:A server I setup back in the day ran for 1919 days before it had to be powered off due to an extended power outage. `uptime`
14:02:19 up 2164 days, 11:11, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.01 No major kernel issues, and individual services are updated without rebooting Yay Linux! |
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said by camper:The shame of Windows Update
»www.computerworld.com/ar ··· ate.html
Windows Update has been around a long time. Its mission on Windows 7 hasn't changed much from Vista and XP. Yet, despite this, it has a lot of [other] problems, as we shall see....
Good article ! So WU is now a sham, a shambles, AND a shame. |
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