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Mark Zuckerberg tapes up his webcam

»www.theverge.com/2016/6/ ··· pe-photo

"Today, as Instagram celebrated reaching 500 million monthly users, Mark Zuckerberg posted a photo of himself enjoying the moment. But after he did, some sharp observers noticed another detail: the laptop on his desk, which seems to have a webcam wrapped up with tape.

Zuckerberg is apparently paranoid enough about hackers that he took the extra security step, in a move to shut down any prying eyes savvy enough to gain control of the camera. There also appears to be some sort of obstruction on his mic jack, although it's unclear what — tape, or some kind of dummy plug?"

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So this shows he can't even keep his own stuff secure yet, he wants all of our personal info stored with him?

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said by Cthen:

So this shows he can't even keep his own stuff secure yet, he wants all of our personal info stored with him?

I thought it was a paranoid joke in here when posters where taking about taping up their Webcams. But now this guy is doing it.

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Kashmir Hill of @Fusion.net has a bit of laugh with this one.
»fusion.net/story/317320/ ··· am-tape/

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He also covered the audio jack too?

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He also covered the audio jack too?

»i.kinja-img.com/gawker-m ··· md8r.png

With tape? Does that really work well?
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i'm guessing that his prominence and fame has something to do with that.
with a market based solely in scandal, fear, and tantrums -- if someone takes something he says/does out of context -- it could serve to affect him personally, as well as his financial well-being.

if i was worth the gdp of a small nation -- i would do the same.

as it stands -- i dont care if someone hears my politically incorrect rants or my porn viewing habits.

i know that many here will be aghast at that -- but i dont consider myself a target for anything more than some script kiddie. and to prevent that -- a little safe hex goes a long way.

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said by tubbynet:

i'm guessing that his prominence and fame has something to do with that.
with a market based solely in scandal, fear, and tantrums -- if someone takes something he says/does out of context -- it could serve to affect him personally, as well as his financial well-being.

He seems immune to that.

Item 1. Some of his messaging, early on. WARNING: NSFW DIALOGUE »www.newyorker.com/magazi ··· facebook If someone tells you they trust Zuckerberg, point them to that article as an idea of what Zuckerberg thinks about them.

Item 2. Zuckerberg basically stole the Facebook idea from the Winklevoss twins. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConnectU They won $65 million in a lawsuit, but it was too little, too late. This is not about outcompeting someone with a similar company. The Winklevoss twins had hired Zuckerberg to code their website. He stalled and delayed, whilst building his website. In the New Yorker article, the ConnectU website was what being referred to in the exchange...

FRIEND: so have you decided what you are going to do about the websites?
ZUCK: yea i’m going to #### them
ZUCK: probably in the year
ZUCK: *ear

People still trust him, sigh.
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said by DarkSithPro:

»www.theverge.com/2016/6/ ··· pe-photo

"Today, as Instagram celebrated reaching 500 million monthly users, Mark Zuckerberg posted a photo of himself enjoying the moment. But after he did, some sharp observers noticed another detail: the laptop on his desk, which seems to have a webcam wrapped up with tape.

Zuckerberg is apparently paranoid enough about hackers that he took the extra security step, in a move to shut down any prying eyes savvy enough to gain control of the camera. There also appears to be some sort of obstruction on his mic jack, although it's unclear what — tape, or some kind of dummy plug?"

Proving this guy is an idiot. For one the tape is over the headphone JACK not the microphone. For another, Thunderbird? Thunderbird hasn't been aggressively developed for years, just security patches. Is this guy for real?

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I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he's not suffering from the same paranoia that regular folks feel but rather a concern over real corporate espionage. We're talking about the primary social platform of the entire planet with around $45 billion in total equity.

... but at the same time, yea, he's probably being silly. If I were in the same position as him I'd just get a laptop that doesn't have a webcam. Or unplug it. Or disable it in the BIOS. Etc. Etc.

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said by urbanriot:

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he's not suffering from the same paranoia that regular folks feel but rather a concern over real corporate espionage. We're talking about the primary social platform of the entire planet with around $45 billion in total equity.

It's not paranoia. Paranoia is when you fear some unknown or imaginary thing. He actually knows what happens with the data and doesn't want HIS data to end up in the same pile.

It is the best argument to the day for avoiding Facebook like plague.
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said by urbanriot:

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and suggest that he's not suffering from the same paranoia that regular folks feel but rather a concern over real corporate espionage. We're talking about the primary social platform of the entire planet with around $45 billion in total equity.

... but at the same time, yea, he's probably being silly. If I were in the same position as him I'd just get a laptop that doesn't have a webcam. Or unplug it. Or disable it in the BIOS. Etc. Etc.

If he was that concerned he wouldn't be using a MAC Book Pro. He'd be using either a properly locked down Windows Notebook (some even come with camera block sliders), that means disabled device manager for mic/cameras, flattened to remove bloatware/riskware from the manufacturers and proper security programs and/or whitelisting executable block products, etc. Or he'd be running Maegia or Secure Linux at the least since he seems to like Firefox and Thunderbird which run natively much better on Linux anyway.

To me, it shows he really doesn't know much. But given his other social media accounts were compromised by using the same password on all of them I really don't give him the benefit of the doubt. Also the irony is he is running one of the greatest public domain intelligence gathering tools in the world and he's worried about his stuff?

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It is paranoid and a waste of time if your behind even the cheapest router with out ports forwarded. Who here remembers the elcheapo router challenge from years back and how hard it was to break past even a cheap one? If your that worried about your web cam being used here's a crazy thought uninstall the drivers. I honestly d not know how many if any exploits are used in the wild to turn on your webcam with out you knowing it. What i do know is at least on my chrome book and a hp laptop i just replaced a screen on the web cam light is hooked up via a relay switch. That relay switch turns on the light when ever the web cam is powered on. So if the web cam is active the light will turn on. There is no way possible to bypass this function in software.

Now obviously it wold be very easy to turn the cam on if you have a vnc connection to the machine in question or a true trojan is installed on the system or other bit of spyware that has that ability. But on like i said the hp and my chrome book if the cam is on so is the light and it is a electro mechanical set up and not controlled by software for the light. I can only assume that this is the case on other laptops with web cam indicator lights. Now it is possible to toggle on the light but have the cam show nothing. Basically you would turn the cameras power on but tell the drives to stream nothing. My old hp had this built in When ever a web cam capturing ap was running the cam light would light up even though the cam would not stream. The camera is powered and turns on the light but the ccd is not powered or being told to stream video. This is also how android phones flashlight apps work. They trick the drivers in to turning on the video camera circuit but not the ccd.
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you can use like clear tape loosely placed over a mic to badly distort the sound to the point of it being impossible to tell what is being said. If you place it on tight like a drum you'll end up amplifying the sound lol

I had a crappy mic way back when and used a plastic cone and scotch tape to make basically a electronic stethoscope made the dang thing pretty directional as well
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said by Itguy2016:

(some even come with camera block sliders), that means disabled device manager for mic/cameras,

Um if by that you mean sliding the slider disables in the device manager your way off base. There is no connection between the plastic slider that has no connection to the hardware and device manager. Disabling in device manager is not enough. If the drivers are there that can be toggled back on via cli. If you do not use the camera just do not install the drivers or un install them. But simple fact of the matter is if some one can access your cam they already own your comp any ways. To access it requires some exploit to be used or access via a rat or program like vnc team viewer etc

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said by tubbynet:

if i was worth the gdp of a small nation -- i would do the same.

If I was worth the GDP of any nation I'd have a laptop built without a camera in the first place, just put a little USB plug there and have a camera in a velvet baggie so when I need it I'd just open the travel case and pick out the right baggie and attach the camera.

You know at that value you'd have to get Trump to make some "luxuriousness" adjustments because it'd need to be the "most luxurious laptop ever"
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said by Nanaki:

you can use like clear tape loosely placed over a mic to badly distort the sound to the point of it being impossible to tell what is being said. If you place it on tight like a drum you'll end up amplifying the sound lol

I had a crappy mic way back when and used a plastic cone and scotch tape to make basically a electronic stethoscope made the dang thing pretty directional as well

If you're in his shows what you should do is get some music player and have some crazy audio playing into the mic port 24/7.

Then in the OS mute the mic so you don't have to hear it all the time.

That way if anyone hacks in, instead of getting audio that's in the room they get something else, maybe Beethoven or Mozart or even Bach cranked to the max.
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And what's wrong with Thunderbird? What's a good alternative to Thunderbird? And don't tell me Outlook.

If I could get rid of Outlook I'd have no use for Microsoft Office and could finally get rid of that piece of crap software.
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Zuck likely has bigger daily issues than his webcam..LOL...

Me, I just have an old Logitech QuickCam® Communicate MP that has a sliding lens shutter. Good luck seeing through that.



It's ancient, but has an excellent mic for Hangouts calls. If I were to do video, the cell phone has two better cameras.
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Most of the webcam paranoia came from the media blitz on ip web cams with default usernames and pass words that are accessable from the web which is sort of the point of having a ip web cam. Changing the pass etc should be done in most cases but lots of mom and pop shops should probably leave them wide open. Why not have few 1000 eyes watching your store? The one shop here has their cams all open to the net (ill try to dig it up) and one points at their sign out side with address and phone number. Funny thing is they had some one try to break in one night and got caught because some one was watching the cam lol.

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said by Nanaki:

Most of the webcam paranoia came from the media blitz on ip web cams with default usernames and pass words that are accessable from the web which is sort of the point of having a ip web cam. Changing the pass etc should be done in most cases but lots of mom and pop shops should probably leave them wide open. Why not have few 1000 eyes watching your store? The one shop here has their cams all open to the net (ill try to dig it up) and one points at their sign out side with address and phone number. Funny thing is they had some one try to break in one night and got caught because some one was watching the cam lol.

There's that but also some viruses that showed they could turn on a webcam without turning on the light so a hacker could spy on you without you knowing.

Also a school district that was loading bloatware on school owned laptops that were issued to students to take home, it was found that there was software that would do a 24/7 stream from all the laptops to the school without turning on the light. The school was caught when they tried to expel some girl for something she did in her bed room. (um ya that school actually had a team monitoring the videos 24/7 and that meant they had school paid people watching kitty porn because the school said to.)
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Cameras on my mobile devices are almost always either covered up or not facing anything interesting just by virtue of how I use them. Laptop and tablets covered up and asleep/hibernated when not in use. Cell phone laying flat, one camera pointed at the ceiling the other at the table. Wanna see my ceiling fan so bad?

I should probably do something about the microphones but I'm not too worried about this kind of hack happening to me. After all I don't own a multi-billion dollar company and am otherwise generally boring!

Still, I'll add one more to the chorus of WTF's about the tape over the mic jack. Unless the built-in microphone is also in that area? Instead of near the camera like on most laptops that have them...
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Ill have to pay more attention from now on to the circuits on other laptop screens and cams but my own that i took apart just to see and the hp i fixed both have simple relays for the light. Meaning it is impossible to not turn on the light when the web cam is on. Soon as there is power to the cam the light toggles on. Like i said you can turn the light on with out recording/streaming video data from the ccd but not the other way around. Now i would not be shocked at all if lenovos apples and a few other laptps do have software controlled lights. Before all this fud i never paid much attention to that circuit.
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Keeping dust out maybe. Laptops don't typically have seperate jacks for speakers and mics it is a shared port. So he likely just put it over for dust only.
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said by DarkLogix:

Also a school district that was loading bloatware on school owned laptops that were issued to students to take home, it was found that there was software that would do a 24/7 stream from all the laptops to the school without turning on the light. The school was caught when they tried to expel some girl for something she did in her bed room. (um ya that school actually had a team monitoring the videos 24/7 and that meant they had school paid people watching kitty porn because the school said to.)

It wasn't quite that bad. See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro ··· District

Executive summary...
* student eats some pill-shaped "Mike and Ike" candy
»upload.wikimedia.org/wik ··· dies.jpg
* that is caught by the webcam and the vice-principal later accused the student of taking illegal pills

On February 20, 2010, Haltzman, Robbins' counsel, told MSNBC Live that Robbins had been sitting in his home eating "Mike and Ike" candy in front of his school-issued laptop. The attorney said that the vice-principal had accused Robbins of taking illegal pills after seeing him eating the candy in a webcam image. Michael Smerconish, a Philadelphia Inquirer columnist who reviewed the photo, said that it did in fact appear to be the same size and shape as Mike and Ike candy. Haltzman said that his client's laptop had not been reported stolen or lost. The lawyer also raised questions as to who in the school system decided when to activate each student's webcam, and for what reasons.


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said by Nanaki:

Ill have to pay more attention from now on to the circuits on other laptop screens and cams but my own that i took apart just to see and the hp i fixed both have simple relays for the light. Meaning it is impossible to not turn on the light when the web cam is on. Soon as there is power to the cam the light toggles on.

Thing is if it's plugged in it has power, and most the light is an in-use light.
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said by Walter Dnes:

It wasn't quite that bad. See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro ··· District

Executive summary...
* student eats some pill-shaped "Mike and Ike" candy
»upload.wikimedia.org/wik ··· dies.jpg
* that is caught by the webcam and the vice-principal later accused the student of taking illegal pills

That was the case that revealed it, it was later found that the night watchers were watching kids undress and get in bed and even sleep.

They just kinda swept the rest under the rug and paid some settlements.
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Actually this is what people think is true. But it is not the case again least on my chrome book and the hp. If the cam is recording streaming the light will be lit. Haven't checked the circuit for power though. Maybe ill check that here later today on my chromebook. I suppose it is possible for there to be soem power going through but not enough to trip the relay. The question then would be is that enough to power the cam to a state where it would be able to stream/record?

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said by Nanaki:

Actually this is what people think is true. But it is not the case again least on my chrome book and the hp. If the cam is recording streaming the light will be lit. Haven't checked the circuit for power though. Maybe ill check that here later today on my chromebook. I suppose it is possible for there to be soem power going through but not enough to trip the relay. The question then would be is that enough to power the cam to a state where it would be able to stream/record?

It was tested and proven a few years ago shortly after that school issue and a proof of concept app was made.

I tried the proof of concept app, it was able to selectively turn the light and camera on (IE you could turn on the camera light with the camera off and turn the camera on without the light.

there were numerous tech diagrams detailing the issue and demonstrating that on most all USB and built in cameras the light was software controlled.

BTW one issue with Wikipedia is it reflects public opinion and alot of time leaves out details that greatly change the story.
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It's been proven that the light on Apple laptops is software controlled and can be bypassed, but unknown on Lenovo Thinkpads (those are the ones that matter). I am tempted to open one up myself and have a look.