Topic 'Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858212 en Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:53:00 EDT Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:53:00 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30861329 said by battleop:

You have a video from a different angle? Remember that felon with a gun thing I keep pointing out? Also remember fighting with the police can lead to this stuff.

One of the videos clearly shows the cop reaching into his pocket and pulling out the gun AFTER he'd been shot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30861329 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:09:24 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860365
(edit) Thinkdiff down-voted this post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860365 Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:15:33 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860337 said by Harddrive:

Knowing specifically that you're the individual that down-voted his post.

LOL. You people are hilarious, getting all pissed off because someone down-voted a post. FWIW, the only reason I down-voted it was because of the unnecessary "protesters who were protesting police doing their jobs." dig. But, hey, get all fired up if it makes you feel better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860337 Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:57:10 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860178
Well if he wasn't breaking the law to begin with (let me remind you yet again felon + gun = unlawful) they would not have been there.

"Do I need to point out the many, many cases where the cops have shot unarmed people?"

Stop trying to change the discussion to fit your needs. This guy was a felon in possession of a firearm.

"And for the third time I feel the need to point out that the cops were in no immediate danger from said gun."

You were there on the scene?

"They had him pinned to the ground and the gun was still in his pocket."

You have a video from a different angle? Remember that felon with a gun thing I keep pointing out? Also remember fighting with the police can lead to this stuff.
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You have any examples of this? I find most people are so entrenched in their views it can be really hard to open their eyes to reality.
Normally a few domestic calls solves the problem tout de suite ... with crazed people throwing things at each other, hitting each other, and then a few will pull out a knife and start waving it around....

A coupe of good traffic stops where you stop for over the limit, or something simple expired plates, it always leads to bigger... a gun(s), money, and dope! Their eyes are peeled open when thy realize that the car they probably passed 100x on the road is full of this stuff.

The die hard bleeding heart liberals will never change... they are the ones we come collect with a shop vac and coroner.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860171 Sun, 10 Jul 2016 09:22:29 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860143 said by TuxRaiderPen2:

I'll give you a clue most nearly all but the bleeding heart liberals change their view after a couple ride a longs if not the first...

You have any examples of this? I find most people are so entrenched in their views it can be really hard to open their eyes to reality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860143 Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:29:33 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860078 said by battleop:

So the homeless guy just happened to make a lucky guess the guy was carrying a gun?

It's possible that the homeless guy knew had a gun, even if he never pointed it at him. Maybe they had words and the homeless guy thought it would be a good way to get even with him.

People do lie about things. Have you seen the video where they synced the 911 call with the security camera footage of John Crawford carrying a BB gun in Walmart (which I might point out was in a state with open carry laws)? "He just pointed the gun at someone!" Nope, just holding it. "It looks like he's trying to load it!" Nope, still just holding it.

said by battleop:

Do I need to point out yet again he was a convicted felon and it's against the law for a convicted felon to possess a gun? If he wasn't in possession of the gun to begin with this would have not played out this way.

Do I need to point out the many, many cases where the cops have shot unarmed people? Or the many cases where the cops have resorted to physical violence on an otherwise peaceful suspect just because they felt they weren't getting the respect that they deserved?

And for the third time I feel the need to point out that the cops were in no immediate danger from said gun. They had him pinned to the ground and the gun was still in his pocket. At the point that they shot him, they didn't even know for sure that he had a gun. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30860078 Sun, 10 Jul 2016 04:55:34 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859989 www.amazon.com/dp/B01I7N87NI]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859989 Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:12:11 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859739
That on it's own absolutely not. However if he had followed Tip #1 the police would not have been called to his location. If the cops were not there to begin with he would still be alive.

"He never brandished it at the cops and there is only the word of a homeless man that he brandished it at him. The store owner said he was unaware of any incident involving the homeless man and he was apparently pretty good friends with Sterling. Of course the security camera footage would probably reveal if he had pointed his gun at the guy, but we may never know because the cops confiscated that footage without a warrant and without the owner's permission."

So the homeless guy just happened to make a lucky guess the guy was carrying a gun? Again let's remember here that the guy was a convicted felon so if the guy brandished it or not he was still breaking the law.

"Again, there's no video of the entire incident because they took the security camera footage, but the one video that does show the start of the fight appears to show the cops tackling him out of the blue."

But there is a video that clearly shows him struggling with the police. That falls under don't fight them.

"Also, again, he was on the ground, the gun was in his pocket,"

Do I need to point out yet again he was a convicted felon and it's against the law for a convicted felon to possess a gun? If he wasn't in possession of the gun to begin with this would have not played out this way.

This guy made the decision to arm him self knowing good and well it was against the law to have a gun. It's on him just as much as it is the cops. These cops didn't wake up that morning and decide they were going to go black guy hunting.

It's time that people take responsibilities for their own actions. If you want to reduce the chances of getting shot by the police then STOP BREAKING THE LAW! Cops have plenty of other people to attend to so if you don't give them a reason to be were you are your chances of being shot by one are reduced to zero.
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IluvMoney, could you please let us all know who the member is that gave a down-vote?
Thank you.

... and that would gain you what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859693 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 20:15:05 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859685 said by battleop:

So here are a few tips to on how this guy could have been prevented from being shot.

Tip 1: If you are convicted felon who is not allowed to posses a gun, don't posses one.

Yes, that was wrong, but should it carry a death sentence?

said by battleop:

Tip 2: If you don't follow Tip 1 don't brandish it as a form of intimidation. Only brandish it when it's a last resort to defend your self.

He never brandished it at the cops and there is only the word of a homeless man that he brandished it at him. The store owner said he was unaware of any incident involving the homeless man and he was apparently pretty good friends with Sterling. Of course the security camera footage would probably reveal if he had pointed his gun at the guy, but we may never know because the cops confiscated that footage without a warrant and without the owner's permission.

said by battleop:

Tip 3: When approached by the police don't fight with them. Especially when you are not following Tips 1&2.

Again, there's no video of the entire incident because they took the security camera footage, but the one video that does show the start of the fight appears to show the cops tackling him out of the blue.

Also, again, he was on the ground, the gun was in his pocket, not in his hand and his hands weren't in his pockets. In other words, while he may have been a convicted felon illegally in possession of a gun, he did not pose an immediate threat to the cops' lives when they chose to shoot him. They didn't even know for sure that he had a gun, they only had the word of the homeless man.

If you shoot someone who is trying to shoot you, you are legally justified because you are defending yourself from imminent danger. If you shoot someone you've been told has a gun on them because you're afraid that they might use it to try and shoot you, you're guilty of murder, or at the very least manslaughter. Yet cops get a free pass for doing exactly that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859685 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 20:11:39 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859475
SMH]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859475 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:31:30 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859339 said by Anonddd43 :

Did you post something similar for the victims of State-Sponsored Genocide?

What does one thing have to do with the other?

Pointing at other bad behavior in response to bad behavior is not a legitimate argument.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859339 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:18:37 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859121 said by Jim Kirk:
Interesting job where you get to kill someone just for reaching for their wallet.
I suggest you sign up for a ride a long... most agencies support this, and encourage it.

We do it more for potential recruits ... but its good for Jane Public too...

Until YOU are on the spot to make these kind of split nano second decisions, on what they may or may not be reaching for and YOUR LIFE and.or others LIFE depend on that decision.. JUST ZIP IT SKIPPY!

I'll give you a clue most nearly all but the bleeding heart liberals change their view after a couple ride a longs if not the first...

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30859121 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:59:48 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858654 said by Rekrul:

They were protesting the fact that cops routinely kill people when they don't have to.

I'm not passing guilt or innocence on this past week's two police shootings. Admittedly, they don't look good on the surface, but you've got to hear all sides of the story before you can form an educated opinion. Hence the reason for investigations.

However trying to say it is *fact the police routinely kill people when they don't have to* is a bit of a stretch. Yes, it happens. No it's not acceptable when it does happen. But if you look at the number of cases and confrontations that police handle nationwide everyday or every month, the words fact and routinely become highly suspect. Any just like any profession, you will always have a small percentage of people who are bad at their jobs, or flat out rogue. Yes, those people need to have ramifications for their actions, but that doesn't make all police bad. Just like not all protesters are bad, but there are a few that get out of hand and should be punished for it.

The way to resolve this isn't by creating more animosity between police and public, rather bringing the two together. It starts with baby steps by us little people saying hello to police, or waving hello when they pass by. And yes, they need to do the same. I've bought officers lunch before when standing in line at a sub shop. I know they'll never remember me, but small tokens of appreciation in both directions have a big impact. Protesting and telling police that they suck is only going to make things worse.

And back to the original post: pray for all those who are innocent and have lost their lives, regardless of how or why it happened, or who they are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858654 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:28:33 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858224 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858224 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:28:05 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858854 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858854 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:42:11 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858850 --
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858685 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 02:30:53 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858682 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858682 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 02:29:23 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858596 Thank you.
(edit) Tiger51 and Jim Kirk down-voted this post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858596 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 00:50:08 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858441 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858441 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:05:33 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858440
Tip 1: If you are convicted felon who is not allowed to posses a gun, don't posses one.

Tip 2: If you don't follow Tip 1 don't brandish it as a form of intimidation. Only brandish it when it's a last resort to defend your self.

Tip 3: When approached by the police don't fight with them. Especially when you are not following Tips 1&2.
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Pray for the five Dallas officers, and especially their families, who died defending protesters who were protesting police doing their jobs.

Interesting job where you get to kill someone just for reaching for their wallet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858387 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 21:18:09 EDT Re: Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858375 said by IluvMoney:

Pray for the five Dallas officers, and especially their families, who died defending protesters who were protesting police doing their jobs.

Correction: They were protesting the fact that cops routinely kill people when they don't have to. While the guy outside the convenience store did have a gun in his pocket, it was not in his hand, nor was the guy's hand in his pocket when the cops shot him to death. In the case of the guy killed in his car in front of his fiance and her 4-year old daughter, he informed the cop that he had a legally carried gun and was in the process of reaching for his wallet in order to comply with the cop's demand when he was shot to death for no valid reason.

You might say "But the cop had no way of knowing if he was reaching for the gun." To which I would reply "So the cops shot them as a precaution?" If I see a cop walking toward me with their hand on their gun, am I justified in killing them as a precaution because they might be a bad cop who intends to shoot me?

Taking someone's life should be the absolute last resort when you have no other choice to protect your life or the life of someone else and you're clearly in danger. It shouldn't be something you do because you think that you may be in danger at some point in the near future. You can't take back killing someone, so you better be 100% damn sure that it is absolutely required before you pull that trigger. Sadly, too many cops today seem to think that being nervous is all the justification they need to kill someone.

And even then, these incidents wouldn't generate the amount of resentment that they do if any of the cops actually faced real consequences for their actions, but they don't. All they have to do is say the five magic words "I feared for my safety" and they get off with just a slap on the wrist.

Can you imagine if you shot and killed your neighbor for holding a garden hose nozzle and then tried to use the defense that you thought it was a gun and that he was going to shoot you? The jury would take about 30 seconds to find you guilty of murder, but if a cop did the same thing, they wouldn't face a single consequence. How do I know this? Because it actually happened!

I don't condone killing cops (or anyone) for no reason, but so many cops have been caught on camera beating people who were restrained or not resisting, shooting people who are unarmed, or who weren't a threat, planting evidence and guns on people and just generally acting like everyone who doesn't get down and lick their boots is the enemy that public sentiment is starting to turn against them. They're no longer seen as trusted protectors, now they're the people who may beat you senseless if you don't show them the proper respect and who may kill you if you do anything to make them nervous. And even if it's caught on video, and even if the cop is clearly in the wrong, nothing will happen to him.

"But not all cops are bad!" you say. To which I reply "Then why don't the 'good' cops turn in the bad cops for all the crap that they do instead of covering for them?" Officer Bob is a good cop! He didn't take part in the beating that his partner gave to a handcuffed suspect! He just stood by and watched it happen, while also trying to block the view of the people who were trying to film the incident. And then he backed up his partner's report that the suspect somehow managed to punch him in the face while his hands were cuffed behind his back and he was lying on the ground. Yup, Officer Bob is one of the good ones!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858375 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 21:14:55 EDT Pray for the five Dallas officers who died defending protesters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Pray-for-the-five-Dallas-officers-who-died-defending-protesters-30858212
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