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Re: Yawn

Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:53:41 EDT

David posted : yep... they can even throttle you as well...shame you as much as they want with little or no cost wise to them. You will call your ISP and complain anyway. Sounds like a Win-Win for netflix. that's why I don't take these reports seriously anymore. Who's to say they are not throttling to change the results?

»www.cnet.com/news/netfli ··· verizon/
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Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:44:55 EDT

Napsterbater posted : You mean if your crappy routing to/from them causes slowdowns they should not say anything? They only "shame" you by telling their customer (and potential customer) that your network may not provide a good connection to Netflix, Google does the same thing. »www.google.com/get/video ··· yreport/

If you dont want to do anything "special" for Netflix don't. You just won't do good on the rankings. If a customer cares and shops around using the the rankings looking for an ISP where netflix does better you only have yourself to blame.

Its just like gamers shopping around for ISPs with good interconnections and low latency, If you dont have a good network connection to what they want they leave.

Only difference is Netflix is one huge entity and can and will even give you equipment to help or work with you to setup peering, which benefits both parties. And again if you dont want to deal with it let it ride on normal transit, your choice.
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Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:27:20 EDT

battleop posted : Netflix wants us to prioritize traffic to them instead of letting it ride with the general population. They want preferred routing via direct links and on net servers. If they don't get their way they try to shame you into doing what they want.
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Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:16:57 EDT

Napsterbater posted : Well what the Anon was initially referring and me responding to but yes.

Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:10:09 EDT

Derch posted :

said by Napsterbater:

As for hosting equipment, its not a requirement, they can simply have capasity at an exchange for direct peering or has sufficient transit capasity. either way the ISP is paying something for any traffic not just netflix, and it may even be cheaper to host it then get more peering or transit capasity, so they could be saving money hosting it.

Were you referring to this, Naps?

»gizmodo.com/this-box-can ··· 92590450

I used to work within a NOC for an ISP and witnessed Engineers unbox and rack one of these bad boys. Still pretty floored that the server is given to the ISP and not required to be returned after replacement.

Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:02:52 EDT

InterTubes posted : I don't understand why people argue about preferential treatment/co-locating equipment and such. Do people see that this is 3 Mbps/sec Average? My isp has no problem streaming 2 4k Netflix streams that are 26-50Mb/s in total. Go to Fast.com and do a speed test (Hosted by Netflix) to see that these isp ranks only show that on average more users of Verizon Fios are watching 4k streams (18-25Mb/s), more HD streams (5-6Mb/s) or Less standard def streams (3Mb/s or lower). Nothing else.

Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:30:40 EDT

Napsterbater posted :

said by Anon19b96 :

The network operator still pays. Who's powering the equipment? Who's providing the space? Who still is paying for the link? Surely not Netflix

They pay for any link.. no matter where you going on the internet so that is moot point, esp since if they are already at an exchange they are not paying anything extra..

As for hosting equipment, its not a requirement, they can simply have capasity at an exchange for direct peering or has sufficient transit capasity. either way the ISP is paying something for any traffic not just netflix, and it may even be cheaper to host it then get more peering or transit capasity, so they could be saving money hosting it.
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Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:14:57 EDT

anon posted : The network operator still pays. Who's powering the equipment? Who's providing the space? Who still is paying for the link? Surely not Netflix

Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:00:11 EDT

anon posted : They're shaming ISP's with misinformation for the masses. I can stream 2 4k netflix movies at once. Netflix.com says that's roughly 50Mbp/s. Yet my ISP's has 3!!!!Mbp/s on average. My ISP doesn't offer a speed lower than 10Mbps, but by all means netflix, throw out some garbage about how users on my isp average 3Mbps/sec. All this data shows is less subscribers on Verizon Fios watch standard def netflix or more users on FIOS have 4k tvs. Why do we keep track of this misguided information to draw false conclusions?

Re: Yawn

Sat, 16 Jul 2016 01:10:54 EDT

Napsterbater posted :

said by Anon19b96 :

Everyone knows if you want to go to the top all you need to do is kiss ass to NF and pay to colocate their junk in your DC

To get to the top you need to provide your customers with a good fast link to Netflix streaming servers, pretty straight forward.

Pay? They give you the equipment.. or link to them in an exchange.

And its not like they have any hidden motive with thwae, it's pretty clear, shame ISPs with bad links to Netflix..
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Re: Yawn

Fri, 15 Jul 2016 23:41:24 EDT

anon posted : paid "story". Everyone knows if you want to go to the top all you need to do is kiss ass to NF and pay to colocate their junk in your DC

Yawn

Fri, 15 Jul 2016 19:49:49 EDT

TIGERON posted : what else is new.