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Re: Is Wikileaks interfering with our election or giving us information?Speaking from the fringes, ISTR a lot of talk among Republicans about keeping Trump from getting the nomination at the convention, even if he had enough delegates to win it, which he did. Time and again, I've seen talk of hundreds of thousands of stolen documents being evidence of one thing but I don't straight away believe the one thing, unless I can see the evidence. Pro tip: I'm not going to read through hundreds of thousands of documents, so I am reserving judgment. My question, are there not parallels between DNC maneuvering to favor Clinton's nomination and Republicans, possibly including RNC, idk, maneuvering to see the popular winner, Trump, does not get nominated? |
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said by rolfp:Speaking from the fringes, ISTR a lot of talk among Republicans about keeping Trump from getting the nomination at the convention, even if he had enough delegates to win it, which he did. Time and again, I've seen talk of hundreds of thousands of stolen documents being evidence of one thing but I don't straight away believe the one thing, unless I can see the evidence. Pro tip: I'm not going to read through hundreds of thousands of documents, so I am reserving judgment. My question, are there not parallels between DNC maneuvering to favor Clinton's nomination and Republicans, possibly including RNC, idk, maneuvering to see the popular winner, Trump, does not get nominated? reddit.com/r/the_donald is assembling power point graphics and spreadsheets showing who is connected to whom. However, direct collusion with the DNC by Cruz is easy see - » wikileaks.org/dnc-emails ··· lid/5760jroe01@tedcruz.org was the link between Cruz and the DNC, Cruz wrote to Eric Bennett's ericbennett12@gmail.com email account. Bennett is a communications director and coordinator for the DNC IIRC. Bennett would forward the emails using BennettE@dnc.org to Comm_D@dnc.org this looks like a shared email account for communication about specific targets / goals. Did the RNC collude with Mr. Cruz? We do not know at this time. |
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said by pandora:said by rolfp:Speaking from the fringes, ISTR a lot of talk among Republicans about keeping Trump from getting the nomination at the convention, even if he had enough delegates to win it, which he did. Time and again, I've seen talk of hundreds of thousands of stolen documents being evidence of one thing but I don't straight away believe the one thing, unless I can see the evidence. Pro tip: I'm not going to read through hundreds of thousands of documents, so I am reserving judgment. My question, are there not parallels between DNC maneuvering to favor Clinton's nomination and Republicans, possibly including RNC, idk, maneuvering to see the popular winner, Trump, does not get nominated? reddit.com/r/the_donald is assembling power point graphics and spreadsheets showing who is connected to whom. However, direct collusion with the DNC by Cruz is easy see - » wikileaks.org/dnc-emails ··· lid/5760jroe01@tedcruz.org was the link between Cruz and the DNC, Cruz wrote to Eric Bennett's ericbennett12@gmail.com email account. Bennett is a communications director and coordinator for the DNC IIRC. Bennett would forward the emails using BennettE@dnc.org to Comm_D@dnc.org this looks like a shared email account for communication about specific targets / goals. Did the RNC collude with Mr. Cruz? We do not know at this time. wouldn't surprise me in the least, in fact, I'd presume the RNC did once the other people they colluded with (Jeb and co) were out one day people might realize this problem transcends parties.. and that it's also the voters fault they let these people mindfuck them into the "must vote for one or the other"/"not _____ therefore the other".. when the voter takes responsibility and puts the solution in their own hands rather than expecting these corrupt assholes to just regulate/moderate themselves, we might see something change.. until then, it's more of this kind of system |
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I wasn't talking about secret collusion. What I was hearing on TV news was talk that the Republicans were spit-balling a way to replace Trump at the convention in case he would be the winner by tweaking the rules, taking a vote. It was all in the open, not a matter of a wikileak. My point is that what has been claimed the DNC did is not materially or morally different from what the Republicans were considering, albeit more openly. I did my own Google on this and here's one rendition I hope helps me make the point/ask the question: said by National Review :Twenty-eight. Thats how many or more accurately, how few delegates it would take to throw the Republican National Convention into at least temporary chaos next month. Murmurs of an organic, delegate-led move to snatch the nomination from Donald Trump are growing. And though the odds of success remain slim, the chance that the 2,400-plus delegates assembled at the convention in Cleveland will vote on a rule that frees them from their obligation to vote for a particular candidate on the first ballot thereby allowing them to nominate an alternative to Trump is not. That said, a lack of organization and the absence of an alternative to Trump are likely to stymie the effort. Four weeks ago it was strictly Timothy Leary land: no basis in reality, says one RNC delegate, referring to the psychologist and advocate of psychedelic-drug use. Two weeks ago, some folks started thinking about it late at night, and today, I think more folks are entertaining the possibility. If its a hundred-yard dash, its moved from a few inches to maybe a few yards. Any effort to wrest the nomination from Trump at the last minute would have to start with the RNCs 112-member Rules Committee, which will convene in Cleveland just days before the convention kicks off on July 18. What has been mostly overlooked is that RNC rules require the support of just a quarter of Rules Committee members 28 of them to issue whats known as a minority report, which would throw the matter of unbinding delegates to the convention floor for an up-or-down vote. That in and of itself would cause a stir on the first day of the convention. Read more at: » www.nationalreview.com/a ··· -endgame |
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said by rolfp:I wasn't talking about secret collusion. What I was hearing on TV news was talk that the Republicans were spit-balling a way to replace Trump at the convention in case he would be the winner by tweaking the rules, taking a vote. It was all in the open, not a matter of a wikileak. My point is that what has been claimed the DNC did is not materially or morally different from what the Republicans were considering, albeit more openly. I did my own Google on this and here's one rendition I hope helps me make the point/ask the question: said by National Review :Twenty-eight. Thats how many or more accurately, how few delegates it would take to throw the Republican National Convention into at least temporary chaos next month. Murmurs of an organic, delegate-led move to snatch the nomination from Donald Trump are growing. And though the odds of success remain slim, the chance that the 2,400-plus delegates assembled at the convention in Cleveland will vote on a rule that frees them from their obligation to vote for a particular candidate on the first ballot thereby allowing them to nominate an alternative to Trump is not. That said, a lack of organization and the absence of an alternative to Trump are likely to stymie the effort. Four weeks ago it was strictly Timothy Leary land: no basis in reality, says one RNC delegate, referring to the psychologist and advocate of psychedelic-drug use. Two weeks ago, some folks started thinking about it late at night, and today, I think more folks are entertaining the possibility. If its a hundred-yard dash, its moved from a few inches to maybe a few yards. Any effort to wrest the nomination from Trump at the last minute would have to start with the RNCs 112-member Rules Committee, which will convene in Cleveland just days before the convention kicks off on July 18. What has been mostly overlooked is that RNC rules require the support of just a quarter of Rules Committee members 28 of them to issue whats known as a minority report, which would throw the matter of unbinding delegates to the convention floor for an up-or-down vote. That in and of itself would cause a stir on the first day of the convention. Read more at: » www.nationalreview.com/a ··· -endgame I'm glad you did all that searching. Wasn't National Review the magazine that devoted an entire issue to nevertrump » www.nationalreview.com/m ··· -15-0000 ? As a source they aren't the best. Both parties have many organizations like the National Review which provide employment for political pundits, they help lobby government, and generally cost billions a year cumulatively to the taxpayer. Mr. Trump has threatened the National Review, and other organizations, they are afraid to lose their boondoggle. If you heard Mr. Trumps acceptance speech, he indicated a voucher system would be offered to all in failing schools. My guess is the federal government can block grant rather than common core the states, but condition federal aid on permitting vouchers. The teachers unions are not happy about this, but ultimately it may be good for everyone, including good teachers. Good schools, with good teachers, may earn more than they do now with or without a union. It is amazing to me how many institutions Trump has stepped on. Sanders stepped on quite a few, but not quite as many as Trump. Clinton on the other hand is likely reciting whatever Goldman Sachs tells her to. My understanding on the rules committee is every state has 2 delegates to the rules committee. Which has 100 members. The committee voted 86 to 14 in favor of Trump just before the RNC convention. All antics played up on the floor were moot, as they lost in the rules committee vote by a substantial margin. Only getting half what they needed to force a vote on the floor. As some states, like Utah (a Mitt Romney state), Colorado (a state that didn't even let Republicans vote for their delegates) and Virginia (a blue state that was winner take most, delegates for the most part did not like Trump). My hope is reform occurs, whoever wins, I will be more active in my party and attempt to assure elections are fair in my state. |
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said by rolfp:I wasn't talking about secret collusion. What I was hearing on TV news was talk that the Republicans were spit-balling a way to replace Trump at the convention in case he would be the winner by tweaking the rules, taking a vote. It was all in the open, not a matter of a wikileak. My point is that what has been claimed the DNC did is not materially or morally different from what the Republicans were considering, albeit more openly. I did my own Google on this and here's one rendition I hope helps me make the point/ask the question: said by National Review :Twenty-eight. Thats how many or more accurately, how few delegates it would take to throw the Republican National Convention into at least temporary chaos next month. Murmurs of an organic, delegate-led move to snatch the nomination from Donald Trump are growing. And though the odds of success remain slim, the chance that the 2,400-plus delegates assembled at the convention in Cleveland will vote on a rule that frees them from their obligation to vote for a particular candidate on the first ballot thereby allowing them to nominate an alternative to Trump is not. That said, a lack of organization and the absence of an alternative to Trump are likely to stymie the effort. Four weeks ago it was strictly Timothy Leary land: no basis in reality, says one RNC delegate, referring to the psychologist and advocate of psychedelic-drug use. Two weeks ago, some folks started thinking about it late at night, and today, I think more folks are entertaining the possibility. If its a hundred-yard dash, its moved from a few inches to maybe a few yards. Any effort to wrest the nomination from Trump at the last minute would have to start with the RNCs 112-member Rules Committee, which will convene in Cleveland just days before the convention kicks off on July 18. What has been mostly overlooked is that RNC rules require the support of just a quarter of Rules Committee members 28 of them to issue whats known as a minority report, which would throw the matter of unbinding delegates to the convention floor for an up-or-down vote. That in and of itself would cause a stir on the first day of the convention. Read more at: » www.nationalreview.com/a ··· -endgame at the RNC efforts to supplant Trump via unbinding delegates and changing GOP rules was made -- I think on the first or second day it just went nowhere can we expect the same from Bernie... nope, guy gives up pretty damn easy 
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I know many can not believe those of us that will for trump but this is one of the big reason. To get establishment out of the white house. Its bad on both sides and bad for this country. I hope wikileaks finds more from the RNC.
That said i do feel bad for bernies camp. I didnt like him but he played fair in an unfair situation. I had hope it would have been bernie vs trump. Hell if bernie went against anyone but trump i may have voted bernie to again remove establishment. |
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said by pandora:I'm glad you did all that searching. Is that a put-down? I'm afraid I'm a bit dense. I know I heard from multiple sources about this concept of subverting popular vote that was entertained at the top of the Republican Party. I really thought that others would have heard of the same thing, in passing, as I did. I am not so dense to realize that nothing came of it. My point, as I've said already, perhaps twice if you give credit to careful readers, is it seems odd to not see comparable contumely for this maneuvering at RNC that is not morally distinct from what DNC is being chastised, or stronger, about. Can you provide some sort of input about that point? |
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Well, I don't know what Bernie can do after Hillary gets the nomination. Traditionally, the loser(s) come(s) on board to give a whole-hearted endorsement to the victor in Presidential nominations. It's called party loyalty. I'd say Bernie was more than a little less than whole-hearted in his endorsement, something of a quasi-analog of Cruz. |
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said by rolfp:said by pandora:I'm glad you did all that searching. Is that a put-down? I'm afraid I'm a bit dense. I know I heard from multiple sources about this concept of subverting popular vote that was entertained at the top of the Republican Party. I really thought that others would have heard of the same thing, in passing, as I did. I am not so dense to realize that nothing came of it. My point, as I've said already, perhaps twice if you give credit to careful readers, is it seems odd to not see comparable contumely for this maneuvering at RNC that is not morally distinct from what DNC is being chastised, or stronger, about. Can you provide some sort of input about that point? No it wasn't a put down, you introduced something to the thread which is helpful. |
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said by rolfp:Well, I don't know what Bernie can do after Hillary gets the nomination. Traditionally, the loser(s) come(s) on board to give a whole-hearted endorsement to the victor in Presidential nominations. It's called party loyalty. I'd say Bernie was more than a little less than whole-hearted in his endorsement, something of a quasi-analog of Cruz. Is Sanders a Democrat?? |
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said by pandora:Is Sanders a Democrat?? Well, he's run twice that I can recollect. He might have started out more independent but he was vying for the Democratic nomination this go-round, got a lot of votes. I'd say he'd have to be a Democrat to do that. |
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said by rolfp:said by pandora:Is Sanders a Democrat?? Well, he's run twice that I can recollect. He might have started out more independent but he was vying for the Democratic nomination this go-round, got a lot of votes. I'd say he'd have to be a Democrat to do that. I could be wrong, but IIRC Sanders is an independent who caucuses with Democrats. Thus my questioning party loyalty, if Sanders isn't a Democrat, does he owe loyalty to the party to the extent of reversing his beliefs and prior statements about Clinton? |
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said by pandora:said by rolfp:said by pandora:Is Sanders a Democrat?? Well, he's run twice that I can recollect. He might have started out more independent but he was vying for the Democratic nomination this go-round, got a lot of votes. I'd say he'd have to be a Democrat to do that. I could be wrong, but IIRC Sanders is an independent who caucuses with Democrats. Thus my questioning party loyalty, if Sanders isn't a Democrat, does he owe loyalty to the party to the extent of reversing his beliefs and prior statements about Clinton? In his case, it seems you're gonna need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Evidently, he identifies variously, as Democrat when he declared candidacy for President, but historically looks more akin to a Socialist by philosophy. » www.politifact.com/truth ··· emocrat/ |
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said by rolfp:In his case, it seems you're gonna need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Evidently, he identifies variously, as Democrat when he declared candidacy for President, but historically looks more akin to a Socialist by philosophy. »www.politifact.com/truth ··· emocrat/ I won't use anything cited by politifact. They are supporters of Clinton, and as such, are not reliable on any issue. See » www.politifactbias.com/2 ··· ath.html |
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said by pandora:I won't use anything cited by politifact. Ok. Sounds close enough, to me, but feel free to cite your own "true" source. I think there are many factors to consider when vetting information and a grain of salt might be in order, on all sides. |
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Bernie Sanders knew his "Democratic Socialist" ticket would be a third party bid so he became a Democrat to get some help and exposure.
He has consistently caucused with the Democrats because he can't really caucus with anyone else in Congress and he is way far left in is base ideals. |
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So you'd rather trust a blog post by a nobody over a Pulitzer Prize winning site run by reporters and editors of an independent newspaper that's won 12 Pulitzers? |
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said by pandora:said by rolfp:said by pandora:Is Sanders a Democrat?? Well, he's run twice that I can recollect. He might have started out more independent but he was vying for the Democratic nomination this go-round, got a lot of votes. I'd say he'd have to be a Democrat to do that. I could be wrong, but IIRC Sanders is an independent who caucuses with Democrats. Thus my questioning party loyalty, if Sanders isn't a Democrat, does he owe loyalty to the party to the extent of reversing his beliefs and prior statements about Clinton? This is correct Sanders is an independent who caucuses with the Democratic party being independent has more to do with his state's politics with parties than Sanders being an actual independent candidate for him to caucus with Democrats they likely promised him some committee seats and/or chair positions much like was done with Jim Jeffords and probably Lieberman (of CT) too |
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said by Beachie:So you'd rather trust a blog post by a nobody over a Pulitzer Prize winning site run by reporters and editors of an independent newspaper that's won 12 Pulitzers? Politifacts is owned by a large DNC donor, who is a Clinton supporter. |
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said by pandora:said by Beachie:So you'd rather trust a blog post by a nobody over a Pulitzer Prize winning site run by reporters and editors of an independent newspaper that's won 12 Pulitzers? Politifacts is owned by a large DNC donor, who is a Clinton supporter. But it has the word "fact" in it and often agrees with my views therefore it's independent |
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said by Relic:said by pandora:said by Beachie:So you'd rather trust a blog post by a nobody over a Pulitzer Prize winning site run by reporters and editors of an independent newspaper that's won 12 Pulitzers? Politifacts is owned by a large DNC donor, who is a Clinton supporter. But it has the word "fact" in it and often agrees with my views therefore it's independent Yup, it's amazing! |
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said by Beachie:So you'd rather trust a blog post by a nobody over a Pulitzer Prize winning site run by reporters and editors of an independent newspaper that's won 12 Pulitzers? If I publish a series of articles about how loving Hillary Clinton will solve global warming and save the rain and old growth forests, I could get 3 Pulitzers. The prize used to have meaning, sort of like the Nobel Peace Prize. It no longer does.  |
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I don't know about "Politifacts" but Politifact is a project of the Tampa Bay Times (formerly the St. Petersburg Times) which is an independent newspaper. |
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If the findings don't fit your narrative they must be "owned". Please tell us more about Bryan White and this politifactbias.com. |
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said by Beachie:I don't know about "Politifacts" but Politifact is a project of the Tampa Bay Times (formerly the St. Petersburg Times) which is an independent newspaper. The Poynter Institute which owns the St Petersburg Times (which IIRC was renamed due to litigation) is an educational institute. It provides solid work for people who graduate and want to manage or report at the Daily Kos, Huff Po, Washington Post and a slew of other similar websites / newspapers. Much like the Washington Post or NY Times. As such, I am skeptical of politifact. politifactbias is a fact checker of politifact. You can see recent (as of July 24) articles here - » www.politifactbias.com/s ··· sults=50 generally a few days after publication, politifactbias will have a review citing sources if it finds issue with a politifact. Politifact self selects stories, it does claim to listen to it's readers, or to report on important stories, but generally the selection is directed by the Poynter Institute CEO a guy named Tim. Constantly politifact shows Republicans as liars and Democrats as truth tellers, even when they are reporting on very similar statements. The metrics used by politifact are also self selected and are used to give differing results based on the party affiliation in question. Research on this is available at many websites, try bing, as google itself has become a politically biased search engine if you wish to know more. |
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said by Beachie:If the findings don't fit your narrative they must be "owned". Please tell us more about Bryan White and this politifactbias.com. I don't assume politicians of any party or more honest or less honest than each other. Politifact does. The various issues with the metrics used by Politifact are to be found in politifactbias.com/faq or just visit politifactbias.com and look at the research. Politifact uses whatever statistical basis or source it needs to get the answer it wants. Often sources are not cited. Politifactbias reviews politifact and if it has an issue will describe it, providing some detail. I do not fit within conservative or liberal in terms of world view. I have voted for both Obama and Clinton (Bill). I have voted for Republicans as well. I am a registered Republican but do not vote my party. I'm just going to assume you are a progressive, and think I'm a conservative. Your discounting my suggestion of double checking politifact seems self serving. Take a look at Politifact then Politifactbias, see which site is providing better information. |
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see the democrats are so bad at this.
By now the democrats could have followed republican play book and created a whole crazy conspiracy thing with Trump and Putin with these leaks.
Talking about how the Russian's have brainwashed trump and he is part of a global plan to take over the united states without military intervention. Trump will become president, suspend rights because of some "terrorist" attack, martial law then bam.....
you laugh but this is what they have said about Obama, that he plans on doing something to suspend the election and declare martial law for a third term.
on a serious note, didn't the Republicans do all this and more to try to kill the trump movement? They are acting all moral and righteous but they were just as bad, just no leaks yet.
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You throw a lot of garbage out there without any proof...crazy speculation. The RNC does the same thing...just no leaks yet...that's pretty hilarious.
The only big divisions I see are on the democrat side. The DNC leaks are proof positive that Bernie is a fraud...of course we already knew that about Hillary. This is just another example of many dozens of crimes, scams, and lies by Hillary. |
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said by drslash:You throw a lot of garbage out there without any proof...crazy speculation. The RNC does the same thing...just no leaks yet...that's pretty hilarious.
The only big divisions I see are on the democrat side. The DNC leaks are proof positive that Bernie is a fraud...of course we already knew that about Hillary. This is just another example of many dozens of crimes, scams, and lies by Hillary. Crazy speculation/comments and conspiracy theories and the random impending announcement of gloom and doom. That is exactly what i said the DNC needs more of, because apparently that is what gets press and works. Bernie = Mitt Romney / Ted Cruz They even went as far as to attack trumps faith just like Bernie, but then again Trump has not even been hiding this he openly attacks Hillary's faith as well. Would love to see the behind the scenes emails on the Anti Trump movement within the RNC, i bet they make the DNC emails look tame. i don't understand the shock, this is standard operating procedure for both parties. Dirt Dirt Dirt. Smear Smear Smear. Just the RNC and Trump is out playing Hillary 10-1 and apparently they now have state sponsored hackers working for them |
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