Security → Disneyland patented idea to use peoples shoes to track them in the park

»gizmodo.com/disney-wants ··· 84482398

"Disney Wants to Track Park Visitors By Secretly Photographing Their Shoes Like a Creep"

"Disney wants to use covert cameras hidden around the park to photograph and track guest’s shoes and other footwear to keep tabs on where they go, or what attractions they’re visiting.

Upon entering the park, through the main gates, an image of a visitor’s shoe is automatically snapped and stored alongside with basic demographic information. The patent also describes a robot that would roam the park and secretly snap photos of random guest’s feet to help collect additional data about how visitors are moving about the park. There’s no word on if or when this system will ever be implemented, but before you plan your next family vacation, consider just going barefoot the entire time."

um k like they can't do all this already with existing cameras. What this sounds liek to me is they want to see what brands of shoes people have so marketers can send them spam email spam txts and junk postal mail.

Every one should know by now that disney corp is slimey as all hell. They re market old films like they are brand new with their disney vault milking every cent possible. I always use to laugh there was a entire forum dedicated to ways to cost disney money using peer to peer file sharing some years ago. In other words people "pirated" disney stuff just because they could not stand disney and made a conscious effort to try and cost them as much cash as possible lol.

Disney can lit make 10s of millions each time to open the "disney vault" to re market a old disney classic. This is just one more way for them to milk their cash cow

They can, and do, track you now. They don't need a photo of your shoes to do it. There are the MagicBands, Photopass cards and a regular pass. They all use RFID. They say that the cards are "short range" and say that they can only read it a few inches away, . We were told that they can locate missing children easily when they are wearing a MagicBand. I would only assume they are tracking me and what rides I go on as well. Actually I know they know what rides I have been on because when you walk out of some of them there is a screen that has the first name of everyone in your group on it.

I bring my family there at least once a year. Its what we do. We like it. If this "tracking" bothers people, then don't go.... Shorter lines for us...

Do to how rfid works at best you can only read those chips a couple feet away. To get those chips powered up much further than say 5 to 10 feet would mean broadcasting radio signals at some pretty high watts in the 2ghz range. that high and you would probably feel some warmth and also the chip it self would get fairly hot.

They way they would track lost kids would be when ever the child got with in a foot or 2 of any rides gate/ railed in walk way or other attraction and likely near many benches fountains etc.

With young kids id suspect they would find them in minutes.

I honestly don't immediately recall any case of a lost kid at the disney parks making much splash in the news. I know you hear about them getting lost for hours in like the cleveland zoo akron zoo etc now and then on local news but not these mega parks. So i will give disney and the like props for that they do have a good track record their. I just don't like their money grubbing ways.

Lol, what? Only 125 kHz and 13.56 MHz tags have short range, modern (passive) 900 MHz tags have no problem being read at 12m (37 ft). Throw a battery in there (semi-active battery assisted tag) and that increases to 50m (162 ft). I would be very surprised of those "MagicBands" didn't have a battery in there.

Edit: From »www.wired.com/2015/03/di ··· gicband/ :

So long as they only track you within Disney, have at it. I don't see a problem with that. Tracking people around stores and amusement parks has been a thing for decades.

The moment they start following people around outside their property, then it becomes a problem
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Yeah, the cell companies, phone manufacturers, and app developers can't stand the competition

Why bother with snapping pictures of shoes, when tracking cellphones is easy and already happening in some retail stores? Maybe so they can claim they aren't tracking personally identifiable info?

What about the people that turn their phone off and actually try enjoying the visit to Disney.
/sarcasm

Disney already does with NFID and FFID. Also there are IMSI grabbers and MAC trackers at the parks.

We started doing this with UTM/NGFW Appliances years ago and I believe Disney uses these systems already. They track by MAC address and can track in realtime as someone walks around the park assuming they are carrying a tablet/phone/laptop. We can also pair this with other data and also track new/old/repeat targets entering the area. (the tracking stops once the park is exited)

Here's what our tracking systems look like in realtime.

Disneyland is the size of a major theme park. Walt Disney World, on the other hand, in its entirety is about the size of the city of San Francisco! While tracking someone in one of the theme parks is very doable, tracking them throughout WDW would be a bit trickier - but they might very well want to do that.

Keep in mind that Magicbands and cellphones and such are fine for tracking people who aren't actively trying to avoid being tracked. But, given the present troubles in our world and what an attractive target a Disney park might represent, Disney is probably quite worried about people who specifically don't want to be tracked because they may have nefarious activities in mind. Hence something like shoe tracking starts to maybe make sense.

Doesn't the device need to be connected to the network, or actively scanning for a (hidden) SSID, for it to be seen? Also, how does it deal with devices such as iPhones which randomize their MAC?

For cell tracking by mac your right 100% it would need to be at the very least actively scanning. And with multiple devices belonging to one person all doing so it would clutter up such tracking in big ways. And then there is as you say iphones (and other phones) that change mac addresses that would further fuzz the data. This would make it next to worthless for tracking. How ever once connected iphone mac addresses will stay the same until they disconnect and re connect.

Do to how much signal strength changes even when standing still tracking location by ap would be pretty nearly pointless any ways. I have some very powerful wifi gear some is pretty old like wrt54g aps but for example when i connect my phone to it i can go a solid 1/4 mile from it line of site and have a solid connection. How ever do to the nature of wifi that signal strength goes up and down by allot. If i set up say 3 of these and tried to track my location using them it would be impossible. Even though i might be very close to one i may have a stronger signal from another of the 3. Meaning basing on sig str would show me as being closer to that ap even though in reality im closer to another one in reality.

This is the same for even the newest high end wifi gear. Im quite sure for sell phone tracking disney just uses a app that has a map of the park and uses gps to show where you are at. Even with gps they would have a error rate of 10 to 100 feet.

Just to give you a example im in my apt which is a old building in a converted house. My gps show me being about a block away right now. And if i wait a few minutes it will show me in the house then just out side etc. Im sure you have seen the same as has every one who uses gps.

This is much the same effect as you will see with wifi tracking but with ps it will be worse as they just are not made to do that particular job

In the back of my mind I wonder how good the resolution would be so that different people's shoes could be uniquely identified as belonging to a particular individual, especially considering that the vast majority of shoes are purchased at retail outlets selling mass-produced footwear based on a limited number of patterns and usually with an attempt to have uniform materials.

If Disney ever gets real-life numbers for, say, visitors at Walt Disney World, I would like to read up on the success rate of such a system.

Of course they could have a 'handy and helpful app' they push to park visitors, which of course has built in tracking which would augment their existing tracking techniques for people not electing to install their app.

Fortinet?

so that is a screen grab from your own set up then?

Looks pretty slick really.

Well i was going to let him dig him self a deeper hole but as he seems to have bailed on the topic Itguy2016 is pretty much just a fraud and not what he says he is. The image he posted first spotted by chubbzei is a stock image pulled directly from fortinets .pl site. itguy was trying to make us believe this was a grab of his/their own system. He actually committed a nice crime of copyright infringement in the process as well as some plagiarism .

Here is the exact image a link to it. A fast google image search pulls it right up

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»itglobalexpert.com/wirel ··· resence/

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I mention this because some less tech savy people who lurk and post here may take advice he gives to heart and put them selfs in to a position where their computer security is weaker as a result. This is not what dslreports security forum is about.

Sorry itguy2016 but enough is enough. You've been caught and exposed as some one who does not know what they are talking about numerous times.