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Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 22:49:30 EDT

jap posted :

What a botch assumption by Washington State.

It's a county government program. Nothing to do with the State.

The logic of WA astounds me. Raise the min wage to $15hr.

Similarly, that would be the City of Seattle graduated wage increase you refer to. Again, nothing to do with the State government. And shouldn't be too astounding as cities & counties in many states including your own have done the same.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 14:46:09 EDT

kevinds posted : That and how does the software decide what is personal data?

Collecting keystrokes in Word to enhance AutoCorrect, can collect a lot of personal data..

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 13:44:47 EDT

camper posted :

said by siljaline:

siljaline quoted an article: The company has repeatedly reiterated its stance that Windows 10 does not collect the user's personal data, but rather anonymized file data

There is a distinction that needs to be drawn here.

Even though there is a difference between collecting a user's personal data and collecting data that can be used to personally identify the user, the end result is basically the same.

Microsoft denies the former, but I've not seen Microsoft deny the latter.

[edit: change the wording a bit to clarify what i intended to say]

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 13:25:09 EDT

Hexaltate posted :

said by gsm:

I still don't buy it because if its true the MIB would have shown up where I lived at.

Some people you literally put the unadulterated facts in their face and they continue to deny it. It's okay to be wrong, put that ego away please.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 11:14:59 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by carpetshark3:

Why do we have to "have" an experience? It's a freaking tool, just like the power drill, vacuum cleaner or lawnmower. ...

Because appealing to human emotions is where it's claimed the money is found. We use tools to do work, which is usually considered a rather spartan, unemotional activity. Convert it to "having an experience", especially a "family experience", and it seemingly triggers human emotions that tend to relax purse strings and alter judgement/evaluation - or so the marketeers would have their employers believe.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 07:12:58 EDT

carpetshark3 posted : Why do we have to "have" an experience? It's a freaking tool, just like the power drill, vacuum cleaner or lawnmower.

»www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/
Focus on Families.

Bumper sticker out here "Focus on your own damn family"

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 04:53:49 EDT

norwegian posted :

said by siljaline:

Some more on W/10 Telemetry for those on an deployment, admin, business or corporate side.

quote:
Windows 10’s aggressive data-collection capabilities may concern users about corporate spying, but enterprises have control that consumer-edition Windows users do not: Administrators can decide how much information gets sent back to Microsoft.

Microsoft isn’t merely vacuuming up large amounts of data because it can. The company has repeatedly reiterated its stance that Windows 10 does not collect the user’s personal data, but rather anonymized file data that is then used to improve overall user experience and Windows functionality. [...]

»pcworld.com/article/3146 ··· ity.html

Yea for Enterprise they can turn it off.
I posted a technet article earlier here that shows how Enterprise can block:
»Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

So they can and the general public can't.....and we are meant to be happy about that?

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 02:41:16 EDT

kevinds posted : Like keystrokes to have language systems get better..

Side bonus is it captures your passwords too right?

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 05 Dec 2016 00:18:30 EDT

siljaline posted : Some more on W/10 Telemetry for those on an deployment, admin, business or corporate side.

quote:
Windows 10’s aggressive data-collection capabilities may concern users about corporate spying, but enterprises have control that consumer-edition Windows users do not: Administrators can decide how much information gets sent back to Microsoft.

Microsoft isn’t merely vacuuming up large amounts of data because it can. The company has repeatedly reiterated its stance that Windows 10 does not collect the user’s personal data, but rather anonymized file data that is then used to improve overall user experience and Windows functionality. [...]

»pcworld.com/article/3146 ··· ity.html

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sun, 04 Dec 2016 19:18:58 EDT

carpetshark3 posted : Related to this maybe?
»www.hardocp.com/news/201 ··· cho_hub/

They want to run your IoT

Personally, I want a robot that will do the dishes and clean the cat pan. I'm not that lazy that I need Cortana, Siri or Alexa.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sun, 04 Dec 2016 13:09:10 EDT

siljaline posted :

said by gsm:

I still don't buy it because if its true the MIB would have shown up where I lived at.

Expand on that and perhaps we can address your added concerns.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sun, 04 Dec 2016 04:38:53 EDT

norwegian posted :
Which part are you replying to?

Some of the results are relative to your ISP server location that issues the IP address for your internet connection and that may not be necessarily anywhere near you at all?

A lot of web pages that ask for your location has the same fault in their detection - and I'm happy with that....
It's when it collects user data of sites visited and such where they might have a profile of who you are it can get disturbing as anyone that hacks those servers has a real time record of what you do.

Telemetry is such a broad statement.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sun, 04 Dec 2016 04:21:39 EDT

gsm posted : I still don't buy it because if its true the MIB would have shown up where I lived at.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 21:38:33 EDT

ashrc4 posted :

said by gsm:

I think you all are paranoid and need medication and to talk to a therapist..... Its more likely for marketing and advertising as for phoning home it has to most likely to see what kind of specs windows 10 was installed where its located and how many.

I assume you didn't watch this video provided by Cartel.

said by Cartel:

lol win 10 is such a piece of trash

»youtu.be/wgKJMsJ-6XU

Their out to trash windows using various methods of monetizing data and have little care how low they stoop.
Forced third party installs in the app center.
Maybe the usage telemetry is being used to see how much they piss off people before they stop using app center(win 10).

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 20:36:05 EDT

DonoftheDead posted : Oh I'm sure MS isn't the only one by a long shot. Companies legally can't disclose whether they've been cooperating with the FISA courts. Any info they hand over is supposed to be secret and not revealed to the target or the public. Totally unConstitutional. Yeah all the ads sux too. Adding insult to injury.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 19:46:56 EDT

carpetshark3 posted : I'm not worried about the 3 letter as much as I hate advertising.
Most of the ads are for shit I don't like, don't want, would never use, and won't buy. Save the damn bandwidth.

I do know that if you disable any Google apps that want location, you don't get pestered with ads.

My phone is unlocked, so there's nothing from carrier. Moto is Lenovo and in China, so who's getting it? I woudn't mind some Chinese ads in Chinese for shits and giggles.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 17:43:12 EDT

ashrc4 posted : A third party running an algorithm against a data set then selling the info to gov is all that is required here. Third parties are out of the spectre of ordinary folk with what they do with data. Without Ms vetting and controlling the use of its data once in the hands of a third party they can do what they like with it in order to monetize. Companies at this size google ms etc are big enough to profile and then keep score on individuals and control they type of service or information you get in return. The more need for monetizing data in general and controlling (tailoring) outcomes on individuals leads itself to using systems where every click didget and gesture will eventually track and rate you as an individual.
That could be a scary future. Baking in this telemetry into win 10 without assurances (which could mean little if placed into recievership) is furthering irresponsible developement of our quality of life into the future.
In order to use something you should understand it. The potential telemetry is not even yet fully relielized by Microsoft and cumstomers should know what future use is intended with data collected PRIOR TO USE.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 17:14:09 EDT

kevinds posted : That is exactly what was said before the Snowden leaks too..

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 17:11:55 EDT

gsm posted : I think you all are paranoid and need medication and to talk to a therapist. You are giving Microsoft and the government to much credit and it would be to much work to shift threw all that data. Its more likely for marketing and advertising as for phoning home it has to most likely to see what kind of specs windows 10 was installed where its located and how many. The government doesn't have the kind of funding to support the infrustcure needed for what most of you are worried about

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 11:23:03 EDT

kevinds posted :

said by carpetshark3:

Won't be long before Chromebooks and an Android cell share totally everything

There isn't too much that isn't shared now.. At least watching the amount of outgoing data..

Not just Google though, but the manufacturer's data collection as well, plus the applications installed..

Why does McDonalds application force BlueTooth to always be enabled for example.. Turn BlueTooth off on the device, few seconds later it turns back on, not just while the application is 'active' either

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 09:44:58 EDT

carpetshark3 posted : Don't just complain about MS, Google is fast heading that way also. Won't be long before Chromebooks and an Android cell share totally everything (some stuff won't run on phone, yet)

I don't believe in one ring to rule them all.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Sat, 03 Dec 2016 03:26:00 EDT

DonoftheDead posted : MS, among others, is part of PRISM. That group along with others like every branch of the govt and big business have absolutely no credibility with me. Once I've been lied to by an organization I never trust that source again. So even if they are telling the truth, how are we supposed to verify they're telling the truth?

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Fri, 02 Dec 2016 05:52:52 EDT

Cartel posted :

said by John202:

I did a bit of a researched regarding Microsoft giving windows 10 devices access to the third party and i have found that Microsoft has refused allowing access to the third parties and they have called it a fake news.
Source: »www.zdnet.com/article/fa ··· anymore/

lol just like yahoo and google denied giving the NSA data...then it turned out they totally did.

Major tech companies including Apple (AAPL), Google (GOOG) and Facebook on Thursday said they do not provide any government agency with "direct access" to their servers, contradicting a Washington Post report that they have granted such access under a classified data collection program.

»www.mercurynews.com/2013 ··· servers/

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:55:21 EDT

siljaline posted : »Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:33:07 EDT

Hexaltate posted :

said by ashrc4:

How to rip you off next summer.....they know what you did last summer.
Complete analysis of they data collected will yield far more than what was sought. At this point it falls down to trust. Microsoft could quote you that it's just inocuolis data points but how much profiling of a customer can they go with it. Trust on how and what collect and whom they share is a big part of this and Ms needs to be forthcoming.

Don't forget that all their data(and google's, facebook's and the like) is just a policy away from being shared with governments for citizen monitoring or whatever else a dystopian future might hold. Sure, for now, it is in MS hands as to whom and what they share or do with the data, but I would not rely on that, even if they can prove that they don't do anything crazy with it today.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:15:33 EDT

ashrc4 posted : How to rip you off next summer.....they know what you did last summer.
Complete analysis of they data collected will yield far more than what was sought. At this point it falls down to trust. Microsoft could quote you that it's just inocuolis data points but how much profiling of a customer can they go with it. Trust on how and what collect and whom they share is a big part of this and Ms needs to be forthcoming.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Wed, 30 Nov 2016 14:54:19 EDT

gsm posted : Does anyone actually know what exactly is being sent back to Microsoft?

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:20:55 EDT

rolfp posted :

said by John202:

said by zdnet :
But the fact that this story was factually challenged didn't stop the echo chamber from repeating it over and over again.
--

The WWW: making stupid people more influential since circa 1991.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Wed, 30 Nov 2016 06:03:36 EDT

John202 posted : I did a bit of a researched regarding Microsoft giving windows 10 devices access to the third party and i have found that Microsoft has refused allowing access to the third parties and they have called it a fake news.
Source: »www.zdnet.com/article/fa ··· anymore/

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:11:45 EDT

siljaline posted :

said by Kearnstd:

Just remember MS is late to this game. [...]

MS had us believing they would remove the Telemetry when W/10 went RTM, but they left it in - so MS lied the whole time it was in Beta. :uhh:

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:15:31 EDT

doppler posted :

said by radios4:

you look up the KB's on Google before installing, to find out what they do.. then just uncheck the bad one's..

Does it really matter. It's been happening for several months now. And like I said VISTA is on it's death bed. Sadly VISTA is the worst O/S out of MS, followed by 8.x MS never learned, people like the look and feel of XP. Vista was a disaster. So they came out with 7. The next numskull messed up with 8.x And today they are back in numskull mode with telemetry in W10. It won't take much more to push the business class to drop them altogether. Microsoft is not on their deathbed, but they are praying beside it that W10 works.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:01:44 EDT

radios4 posted :

said by doppler:

said by John202:

If Microsoft has given the access of windows 10 devices to the third party then it we should degrade to windows 8.1 or lower versions of the windows operating System. Nothing is worth compromising the privacy of the data.

If you have a supported Microsoft O/S (except 1) and have used WU to keep updated. You have telemetry.

I believe only VISTA is immune. But then VISTA is on it's deathbed. Even now, getting WU for it is a hassle. Ever month there is a security update that must be manually done, otherwise WU never finishes. It just hangs. Once the manual update(s) is finished. A normal update is possible.

you look up the KB's on Google before installing, to find out what they do.. then just uncheck the bad one's..

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:45:18 EDT

EdmundGerber posted : Obviously not those in the 'herd'. Like yourself.

The rest of us value privacy.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:22:26 EDT

Kearnstd posted : Just remember MS is late to this game. IOS and Android have been harvesting for years.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:07:07 EDT

camper posted :

said by siljaline:

Via way of a Dutch friend on Facebook

One of the items that Shutup10 disables is the active camera during the Windows 10 login process.

Really? Microsoft is taking a picture of me to associate with my Microsoft login?

First I had seen that mentioned....

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:37:48 EDT

doppler posted :

said by siljaline:

Via way of a Dutch friend on Facebook

Nice to have friends to look out for you. I have used shutup 10. I prefer to use spybot anti-beacon now. SU10 has a few less telemetry disables. Plus the big one P2P disable. Only found in anti-beacon. I choose not to use any P2P software. Once hackers figure out how it works, like all MS software a weakness will be found and exploited. Then S.W.H.T.F. Microsoft has NIH (not invented here) syndrome bad. Paranoia mode enabled (hid it all, deny it exists)

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:26:57 EDT

doppler posted :

said by John202:

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:26:39 EDT

siljaline posted : Via way of a Dutch friend on Facebook - @Mods, noting previous Forum citations of software.

»www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:15:50 EDT

John202 posted : If Microsoft has given the access of windows 10 devices to the third party then it we should degrade to windows 8.1 or lower versions of the windows operating System. Nothing is worth compromising the privacy of the data.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 06:03:14 EDT

MacGyver posted :

said by antdude:

said by MacGyver:

Win7 SP1 FTW

Doesn't W7's updates have telemetry stuff too?

What updates? I said Win7 SP1, updates disabled.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Tue, 29 Nov 2016 03:08:48 EDT

Anonymous_ posted : sue them duh you never agreed to those apps "license agreements"

Legally the "license agreements" are invalid to be on the system

sue away

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 28 Nov 2016 23:23:15 EDT

doppler posted :

said by DataRiker:

What else would you expect from a company that fires people only to lobby the government for unlimited H1B visas because they just can't find quality help

I call that company "Disney". The only difference Disney required the replaced workers to train there replacements first.

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 28 Nov 2016 23:08:42 EDT

DataRiker posted : What else would you expect from a company that fires people only to lobby the government for unlimited H1B visas because they just can't find quality help ( read: does not wan't to PAY for quality help).

Re: Microsoft gives third-parties access to Windows 10 Telemetry data

Mon, 28 Nov 2016 22:23:16 EDT

doppler posted :

said by antdude:

Free as new? Where? I don't mean free upgrades.

Free as in, what the majority masses got. If you did not upgrade in the first year or are business. You get the telemetry and you pay for it too.

Sucks to be anybody using windows 10. And doesn't block the telim's.
I knew from the start where Win 10 was going. Microsoft is a big supporter for Common Core. Of course they were. They wanted to be the human telemetry collectors. Big money in testing and monitoring.