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Re: [CATV] HDHomeRun Prime, cable card, Samsung TV, DRM

said by jig:

our area is used-to-be-TWC.

the change was definitely recent - i was able to watch cable sports channels using the RPi with the SiliconDust View add-on in December.

Then it's definitely a mistake that they fixed.
said by jig:

the DRM tag appears to be different from what you're describing, at least how it has been implemented out here.

No. The DRM tag is just a sign that the channel is not copy-freely (it will be set to copy-once or copy-never). Copy-freely does not mean it is clear/unencrypted. It means that your Prime can decrypt it (using the CableCard) and output it without DRM protections. If it is copy-once or copy-never it can not be outputted from the tuner without DRM protection. So the Prime has to output it with Microsoft PlayReady DRM applied (for Windows Media Center) or DTCP-IP applied (this is what your Samsung TV supports, as well as the HDHomeRun Green app, and PlayStation 3s).
said by jig:

I only got the cable card and the HDHR Prime a few months ago, and was generally just playing with it to set myself up for success with the wife and to remove the STBs. 100%, I could watch ESPN, HBO, and similar using HDHR Prime and Libreelec (Kodi) on an RPi using the HDHR add-on, as late as December.

Again, then it was definitely a mistake in the configuration. Trust me, that sort of thing has happened (where they incorrectly set channels to copy-freely), and TWC isn't always so quick to fix it because the number of CableCard users is very low, so they might not notice for a long long time.
said by jig:

From what I can tell, this is related to the copyonce and copyfreely tags, not the encryption chain, and I don't think HDCP is required for copyonce, so I don't think the hardware limitations of the RPi are a deal breaker.

Yes it's related to those settings as I stated above. But you are incorrect that the encryption chain does not matter. Content that is copy-once must be protected by DRM at all times (well, except via the analog loophole, so it can output to composite or component with no DRM because they are not digital). That means from the tuner to being outputted to HDMI it must be protected. So for HDMI, it must have HDCP enabled.
said by jig:

Still, based on your comments, I have to wonder if Charter would be more approachable.

The problem with Charter is that they don't really have a unified approach to their CCI Flags (what sets the copy-freely, copy-once, or copy-never). So some markets have a similar setup to TWC's, others have a similar setup to Comcast's (where only Premiums are copy-once). So it could go either way with this merger.

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Thanks - i may check with the local office to see if they can push for copy freely on all but the premium. Apply some kind of pressure the other way.

I'm always suspicious when there's a switch that gets thrown at a coincidental time, but maybe this was a year-end audit and they caught the issue then, or there was some other issue that held up the switch until the new year.

I've been looking into the Tivo Bolt as a complete replacement, but I haven't confirmed that it'll work with a Mini in a different room with copy-once enabled, or if it'll work to stream to any iOS device on the local network. It's a solid competitor to the Shield, but without at least the Mini access to recordings working, the Bolt would not be an upgrade from what we have now. Some of those DRM tags are scary (copy never, etc.), and if they were enabled, I'm not sure how well the Tivo would keep pace.

Green App - I think as long as you aren't in the most recent Android build, the Green App will still work. Unclear if you can downgrade if your purchase of a new Shield already has the new Android build installed, but signs point to yes.

I'm considering trying out some Intel Compute Sticks I have lying around. They should be able to run the live viewing app and view DRM channels, and there's an iOS app that you can use as a remote (unclear if CEC will work). It would be relatively clunky, but it would allow me to leverage the HDHR without having to buy into Tivo.

I might be able to futz with the built in Samsung viewing a bit - the 300 channel limitation might just be a max-items limit, and maybe I can get around that by blocking some of the early channels so they don't get pushed to the Samsung. Still no guide though. SiliconDust could provide an app to Samsung...
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said by jig:

Thanks - i may check with the local office to see if they can push for copy freely on all but the premium. Apply some kind of pressure the other way.

I wouldn't hold my breath whilst waiting for any real change. It's the content owners that determine what CCI/DRM attribute is set.

The only solution that will handle all of the contingencies is a Windows PC running Win 7 Pro or Ultimate or Win 8.1. Either of these would also need the HDHR Prime software installed.
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Tivo Minis can play copy-protected content and their documents say the Stream works with protected channels too. FCC rules only permit the use of copy-never on PPV and VOD content, and even then, most providers just stick with copy once on PPV stuff.

You should be able to star channels on the HDHomeRun's lineup webpage and then use the favorites list to only see the channels you care about to get around the 300 channel limit.

SiliconDust did have a Samsung app at one point but Samsung got their panties in a knot and wouldn't approve updated versions of the app so it was abandoned. Samsung's hardware was kind of shit anyway and tended to drift out of sync after 20 or 30 minutes.
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said by dfwguy:

Tivo Minis can play copy-protected content and their documents say the Stream works with protected channels too. FCC rules only permit the use of copy-never on PPV and VOD content, and even then, most providers just stick with copy once on PPV stuff.

You should be able to star channels on the HDHomeRun's lineup webpage and then use the favorites list to only see the channels you care about to get around the 300 channel limit.

SiliconDust did have a Samsung app at one point but Samsung got their panties in a knot and wouldn't approve updated versions of the app so it was abandoned. Samsung's hardware was kind of shit anyway and tended to drift out of sync after 20 or 30 minutes.

Problem with the Tivo Mini is no Kodi support... if it ran Kodi it would be perfect.

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said by rocketr:

Problem with the Tivo Mini is no Kodi support... if it ran Kodi it would be perfect.

at least with MoCa, that's one less wired network jack at the TVs. I would absolutely love just having one input device that did it all... and cheap like the RPi so that there's not a huge hit when the standards change. the tivo stuff isn't too bad, but there's still a risk of compatibility, and the charge for the guide isn't small...